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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe have allowed ed reformers to say weird untrue things about teachers and students.
And at many forums when we explain that their policies are wrong, we are told that everyone knows public schools are failing. Not true.
We are told that teachers have not been putting students first, so the reformers needs to step in and take over. Not true.
We have allowed this commentary to go on for too long. It's propaganda but it's gone on so long and so effectively that teachers are made to sound petty when they disagree. Public schools have not been failing, though there are some which need more resources to cope with the problems they face.
Most teachers are not "bad" or "lazy", most teachers are there because they care for the students and their needs.
Then there is the all pervasive meme that all students can succeed at the same level. Teachers have always been able to give students a chance at an even playing field, a chance to reach their highest potential. They can do that for students if they have resources to do so. It can't happen if policies continue to give tests which will be failed by many just because they are not able to take a test at that level....then after giving those tests they take away resources and give them to charter schools or private schools for vouchers.
The very latest unbelievably scary thing that Arne has said is that he thinks all students can succeed if they are given honor level classes and tests to prove they can do it. Hey snap your fingers, wave your wand...and suddenly no more below level students. That's a very faulty premise.
For some reason people find that stance of Arne's compelling....just push special needs students until they get it. It's like part of the remaining foolishness pushed by the zero tolerance believers.
Not every child will behave alike, not every child will or is able to do work at higher levels. This country was built on the virtue of individuality. People succeeding at different things, on different levels, having different abilities.
Imagine the harm being done to a child who has to struggle to perform life's everyday activities. Imagine the sense of failure that will be instilled.
The new policy of the US Department of Education is that no longer special needs children will be given modifications at test-taking time.
I asked how we let the reformers so this far, but I really do know the answer. If George Bush, whose policy this basically is, had tried to carry it this far....Democrats would have at once become the opposing party.
But now it is a movement supported by both major parties, and teachers have become the enemy.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)and made a point of doing just the opposite.
--imm
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)As for the current situation, the appointment of Arne Duncan was clue #1, and his declaration that it was OK for RI to fire all of the teachers was clue #2 that he was part of the "kill public schools" movement. His first CoS is now the mayor of Chicago and is trying to do away with the CPS. Then of course there is Race To The Bottom, another of his pet initiatives.
I am pretty sure at this point that Obama was put in the White House to enact far right corporatist policies that no Republican would have gotten away with. There is the education profitization that you mention, and Heritage Care which is now here to stay, saddling us with the worst, most expensive health care in the world, forever. That's two huge pots of money that he's handed to the 1% during his term. I believe that once the Repukes take the senate in November, he will use that as an excuse to give the hyper-rich the third big pie - Social Security. And the rest of the DC Dems who matter (not Sanders and Warren and Brown, but Reid and Pelosi and so forth) won't say a word about it.
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Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)There are a handful of Good Democrats.
Of course the alternative is fucking horrible. That's their only jobbe horrible. They have done an excellent job of it.
This was a slow motion coup. A merger of corporate power, organized crime, government and the most sophisticated intelligence apparatus ever devised by mankind.
Listen to this. You will feel better. Just try it.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)If we ever want to fix anything, something will have to be done about THAT.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)And somehow we're not supposed to notice that.
The original reasons for teacher tenure have been completely ignored and demonized.
And somehow we're not supported to notice that.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)That is a very true statement, Hissyspit.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)"If George Bush, whose policy this basically is, had tried to carry it this far....Democrats would have at once become the opposing party."
That's the beauty of our current President. He can push Bush's policies without resistance from our own party.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)How long will it take for Democrats to wake up and acknowledge what happened to us? Geez.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)And that propaganda has worked so well many DUers believe it. Yes, you are right. This administration has no opposition to these corporate policies.
But we are not supposed to notice.
evemac
(132 posts)This confounds me. Children who are in special education have qualifying conditions determined by copious testing by a licensed psychologist that show deficiencies academically (learning disabled) or otherwise (OHI..other health impairment) which impact their performance at school. For some, it's hard just doing their expected day to day activities in school. They may do better with accommodations and/or modifications to the curriculum, but many of these students still struggle with standardized tests. I think it's shortsighted and frankly, cruel. Why have special education at all if it ultimately isn't taken into consideration at the end of the day?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)What Arne Duncan is pushing now is potentially very dangerous to special education.
I liked this statement from the Dallas Morning News..at the link. He urged people to read Diane Ravitch's blog.
Youll learn the depth of feelings out there in the trenches whenever the high sheriffs pronounce a new push in the name of accountability.
High Sheriffs indeed.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)one exceeds at almost all levels, the other struggles and has done well, but with more intervention.
We all have different skill levels and attributes, not everyone can advance according to the same standards.
If we want our country to thrive then we need to try and lift every boat ... and that includes those who need a bit more help.
We are all not cut from the same mold.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)My kids different as night and day in so many ways. I wonder why more people are not outraged at Arne's new tactics. Maybe they are just not aware.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)it is unfortunate that issues are not debated/defended as strongly as the party line
mckara
(1,708 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Education is just like the rest. They want to privatize anything that will profit this group of miscreants. It's little different than privatizing the Iraq War and the USPS. They want the money in private hands so they can steal it. It's clear.
It's corruption from sea to shinning sea.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Now the charter schools are even incorporating real estate deals in their get rich schemes.
Charter School Gravy Train Runs Express To Fat City
From Forbes 2013:
Lest you get the idea charter schools are a Republican thing, theyre also favored by big-city Democrats. This summer, 23 public schools closed for good in Philadelphia about 10% of the total to be replaced by charters. Charters have a history in Washington, D.C., going back to 1996.
And they were favored by Arne Duncan when he ran Chicago Public Schools. Today, hes the U.S. secretary of education. In 2009, Duncan rolled out the Obama administrations Race to the Top initiative, doling out $4.4 billion in federal money to the states but only to those states that lifted their caps on the number of charter schools.
Too bad the kids in charter schools dont learn any better than those in plain-vanilla public schools. Stanford University crunched test data from 26 states. About a quarter of charters delivered better reading scores, but more than half produced no improvement, and 19% had worse results. In math, 29% of the charters delivered better math scores, while 40% showed no difference, and 31% fared worse.
....In the past two decades, Reuters reports, much of the investment has gone into commercial real estate projects, like luxury hotels, ski resorts and even gas stations. Lately, however, enterprising brokers have seen a golden opportunity to match cash-starved charter schools with cash-flush foreigners in investment deals that benefit both.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Chiquitita
(752 posts)Left DU for while, but so good to come back and see you are on!
My son's English teacher wrote this killer piece for WaPo on the topic... this is the kind of fighting that inspires; just calling reform what it is, instead of standing politely by.
Seven things teachers are sick of hearing from school reformers
http://wapo.st/1yyVRBu
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)2. Dont talk to us about the importance and rigor of the standards.
I teach high school English, and I can tell you that language arts standards, whether the current Common Core Standards or some other set of standards, are neither rigorous nor non-rigorous. Everything depends on what individual teachers actually do with them.
Furthermore, language arts standards simply describe an assumed, conventional set of behaviors that competent readers and writers are expected to display. But though a competent and hardworking student may incidentally do what the standards describe, displaying certain literate behaviors is not the same as seriously and conscientiously engaging texts and writing.
I work very hard to ensure that students do not simply go through the motions of studying literature and writing, even though going through the motions is usually enough to ensure good test scores. I require that they take the texts and assignments seriously and learn something important from them beyond what the standards specify. All of it is standards-based, not because I try to make it so, but because the Common Core language arts standards are so general that just about any assignment can be interpreted and defended in terms of the standards. Two teachers can teach the same standard using different texts, different methods, and with different purposes, giving students radically different experiences.In essence, that means the standard, ostensibly the same in both cases, is internally incoherent, and in that sense non-standard. Standards-based is a meaningless criterion for high school language arts lessons.
Thanks for sharing. The reformers who know very little about the minds of children and how to education them are doing great harm right now.
There is nothing wrong with standards, but there is too much wrong with requiring ALL students...special ed or not...to take and pass the same test.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)in 2016.
K&R
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)when our collective children fail the tests...our public schools are defunded
charter schools then receive the funding but do not have to "take" all students....they can pick and chose
what happens to the kids not "chosen" by the charter schools?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Well said.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)how much education costs per child, per year?. Then came the vouchers, where a private school can take away public school tax money. The private for profit school can 'cherry pick' kids and charge the parents more, for even more profits.
Private, 'for profit' did the same thing for prisons, to grab-up much state and federal taxpayer money.
'For profit' middlemen are what ruined public schools, took away teacher pay, took away enough state money to make some states broke from 'for profit' prison contracts.
IMO, basic American benefits (including our prison systems & health care) should not be 'for profit' and need to be declared unconstitutional.