2 "Outsider Witnesses" provide new perspective on Michael Brown shooting

[kpete]

Last edited Sat Sep 6, 2014, 05:20 PM - Edit history (1)

This is just a couple of snippets:

...there were two outsiders who happened to be working outside at the apartment complex on Aug. 9 — two men from a company in Jefferson County — who heard a single gunshot, looked up from their work and witnessed the shooting.

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The worker, who has not previously spoken with reporters, said he did not see what happened at the officer’s car — where Wilson and Brown engaged in an initial struggle and a shot was fired from Wilson’s gun.

His account largely matches those who reported that Wilson chased Brown on foot away from the car after the initial gunshot and fired at least one more shot in the direction of Brown as he was fleeing; that Brown stopped, turned around and put his hands up; and that the officer killed Brown in a barrage of gunfire.


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and then, there is this:


........He previously told KTVI (Channel 2) that he had uttered a profanity in frustration after hitting a tree root while digging. Brown heard him and stopped to talk.

Brown “told me he was feeling some bad vibes,” the co-worker told KTVI in a video that aired Aug. 12. “That the Lord Jesus Christ would help me through that as long as I didn’t get all angry at what I was doing.”

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About a half-hour later, the worker heard a gunshot. Then he saw Brown running away from a police car. Wilson trailed about 10 to 15 feet behind, gun in hand. About 90 feet away from the car, the worker said, Wilson fired another shot at Brown, whose back was turned.


Much more Info Here:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/workers-who-were-witnesses-provide-new-perspective-on-michael-brown/article_14a3e5f8-6c6a-5deb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html

[8 track mind]

1. kick n/t

[MohRokTah]

2. K&R eom

[justiceischeap]

3. So, according to this witness, Wilson never uttered a word

and Brown only moved towards the officer after he stopped shooting.

[wandy]

4. How long is a pause..........

First I am NOT attempting to disparage anything here. I am trying to relate this new witness report with the audio clip obtained by CNN.

From the link provided in the OP....

Among the claims that ignited the fury over the fatal shooting of Michael Brown were that Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson chased the unarmed teen on foot, shot at him as he ran away, then fired a barrage of fatal shots after Brown had turned around with his hands up.

Link from OP.......
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/workers-who-were-witnesses-provide-new-perspective-on-michael-brown/article_14a3e5f8-6c6a-5deb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html

CNN audio appears as follows.

Shot
Very short pause.
Multiple shots.
Long(ish) pause.
Shot
Extremely short pause.
Multiple shots.

Forensic audio expert Paul Ginsberg analyzed the recording and said he detected at least 10 gunshots -- a cluster of six, followed by four.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/27/us/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting-audio/

So .......

* Is the CNN audio still valid and not been disproved?
* Not being all that familiar with guns, could someone who is more fimiliar explain if there is a mechanical reason for the short pause between the first shot(s) and the following number of shots?
* Do these two "data points" reinforce or contradict each other?

[starroute]

7. It doesn't seem that hard to reconcile

"Wilson chased Brown on foot away from the car after the initial gunshot and fired at least one more shot in the direction of Brown as he was fleeing; that Brown stopped, turned around and put his hands up; and that the officer killed Brown in a barrage of gunfire."

Shot = the first shot at the car
Very short pause.
Multiple shots = Wilson chases after Brown, firing wildly (not clearly reported by the latest witness)
Long(ish) pause.
Shot = the "one more shot" that causes Brown to stop and turn around
Extremely short pause.
Multiple shots = the final barrage of gunfire

[wandy]

9. The time between the very first shot and the first group of shots............

appears to be too short for a person to get out of a car.
Does this imply that both Wilson and Brown were outside of the car when the first group of shots were fired?
If that were the case it further disproves Josie's tail and other RW narratives stating that Wilson was attacked inside of the car.

Keep in mind this is CNN
Dueling narratives in Michael Brown shooting
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-michael-brown-dueling-narratives/

Of course this was all explained in detail in the police report.

[FreakinDJ]

5. and still no charges filed ?

[Cha]

6. From your link, kpete..

"The co-worker in the KTVI interview said he “starting hearing pops and when I look over … I seen somebody staggering and running. And when he finally caught himself he threw his hands up and started screaming, ‘OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.’” Michael Brown

[kpete]

10. Thanks Cha

People should read the whole thing
This is a very complex story

and
very hard to cut & paste

I appreciate your addition

thanks,
and peace,
kp

[Cha]

12. You're Welcome, kpete.. It's so complex but from what I can gather

Michael Brown was definitely surrendering and there was absolutely no way he should have been given a death blow by Darren Wilson.

Peace to you~

[DesertDiamond]

8. Funny how some people don't practice what they preach.

[Uncle Joe]

11. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[cleduc]

13. Clips from that article

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/workers-who-were-witnesses-provide-new-perspective-on-michael-brown/article_14a3e5f8-6c6a-5deb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Phillip Walker, 40, another Canfield Green resident, told the Post-Dispatch on Tuesday that Brown was walking at a steady pace toward Wilson, with his hands up. “Not quickly,” Walker said. “He did not rush the officer.” Walker, who is distantly related to a Post-Dispatch reporter not involved in this report, said the last shot, into the top of Brown’s head, was from about 4 feet away.

“It wasn’t justified because he didn’t pose no threat to the officer. I don’t understand why he didn’t Tase him if he deemed him to be hostile. He didn’t have no weapon on him. I was confused on why he was shooting his rounds off like that into this individual,” Walker said.

The co-worker in the KTVI interview said he “starting hearing pops and when I look over … I seen somebody staggering and running. And when he finally caught himself he threw his hands up and started screaming, ‘OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.’”

He said the officer “didn’t say, ‘Get on the ground.’ He didn’t say anything. At first his gun was down and then he … got about 8 to 10 feet away from him … I heard six, seven shots … it seemed like seven. Then he put his gun down. That’s when Michael stumbled forward. I’d say about 25 feet or so and then fell right on his face.”

No witness has ever publicly claimed that Brown charged at Wilson. The worker interviewed by the Post-Dispatch disputed claims by Wilson’s defenders that Brown was running full speed at the officer.

“I don’t know if he was going after him or if he was falling down to die,” he said. “It wasn’t a bull rush.”

Trying my hardest to be fair", I'll reserve final judgement until I've heard ALL the facts from both sides BUT the more I see and hear, my impression is the worse it gets for the officer and it sounds more and more like the officer basically murdered Brown.

It's awful.

[Solomon]

14. Yeah but are these witnesses black or white? Only the white witnesses count. Even though they

weren't there and saw nothing. How many witnesses does it take if the witnesses are black?

[Scuba]

15. +1,000

[Enthusiast]

17. That appears to be the case.

Only the white witnesses count.

[mainstreetonce]

18. White. I think

I think one of the first witnesses said she saw two white men standing beside their truck . They saw the whole thing.

[Trillo]

16. So that first shot was a miss?

I'm thinking of the autopsy report.