Assault weapons DO NOT EXIST

[packman]

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according to Tucker:

"We should be clear for our viewers, assault weapon is a made up term," Carlson replied. "And there really is no such thing as an assault weapon."

In fact, assault weapon is a legal term that has been used in the now-expired 1994 federal ban, and the bans in California and New York. Laws usually define an assault weapon as military-style semiautomatic rifles that are designed to kill humans efficiently"


Old Family Wisdom: If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck----

Sweet Jesus- How deep is their delusions?


http://crooksandliars.com/2014/09/tucker-carlson-dismisses-gun-laws-there-no

[Duckhunter935]

1. Never seen it defined that way

"Laws usually define an assault weapon as military-style semiautomatic rifles that are designed to kill humans efficiently"

Tucker is an idiot and there are definitions of an "assault weapon" in the law. Originally the term was a made up term but not now.

[Hoyt]

4. But, that is an apt description and the reason they are so popular among gun cultists.

[Duckhunter935]

9. Not really

[Hoyt]

11. Sure it is. I doubt you have one of those for duck hunting.

[Duckhunter935]

15. I do not hunt

I target shoot at paper plates and tin cans.

I have two AR style rifles. I like them as they are low recoil and very reliable. I also have several military standard rifles but they kick like a mule.

[Electric Monk]

30. What a peculiar choice of usernames then, Mr. Duckhunter who does not hunt

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=1357

[DashOneBravo]

60. Pretty good

Only it should be pointed to the sky.

[Duckhunter935]

63. As I have pointed out many times before

I think to you also but I will give you the benefit of missing it.

It is from my 20 plus years as an Army Air Defense Artillery (ADA) soldier. That is a common nickname for us. My avatar is the great and all seeing Oozlefinch.

On 6 July 1956, the Oozlefinch, legendary featherless bird of the Coast Artillery Corps, awakened from his sleep of several years, tucked a Nike in the crook of his nude left leg, and, traveling by ways known only to himself. arrived at Fort Bliss, Texas, the home of the Antiaircraft and Guided Missile Center-there to become the guardian of all missilemen.

Since, as it is well known, the Oozlefinch always flies backwards to keep dust, trivia, and other inconsequentia out of his eyes, the Nike is always positioned at the correct attitude.

The birth and beginnings of this fabulous bird were humble, almost inconsequential, and extremely vague. But, in true Horatio Alger fashion, this ancient, ageless bit of improbability has risen to a position of high honor. The Oozlefinch has focused his benevolent gaze over the men of the guided missiles. He is at once the confidant of generals, the protector of Very Important Persons, and above all, the guardian, patron, and monstrous mentor of modern missilemen.

The first recorded history of the Oozlefinch came through the somewhat rambling mumblings of a Captain H. M. Merriam of Fort Monroe, Virginia. Presumably a raconteur of no mean talents, the captain must be given the credit for discovering the bird about 1905. He apparently was the only man who had seen the creature, and he was loathe to describe appearance, habits, or habitat. One physical characteristic he did emphasize, however:the great bird's eyes. These eyes, as vividly described by the captain, remain today as the outstanding physical mark of the Oozlefinch.

These eyes are large, all-seeing, unshaded by eyelids or eyebrows, and rather seriously blood-shot. just why the eyes are so prominent and red, no one seems sure. But being all-seeing, the bird can gather more information in a shorter period of time than mere mortals who have conventional sight. Because his eyes were unshaded by eyelids or eyebrows, the bird is forced to move tail foremost to protect his powers of observation, but also, he can turn them 180 degrees to gaze inwardly when he desires the maximum value from self-contemplation.

http://ed-thelen.org/oozlefinch.html

You are very good at using Google to find cartoons

[Duckhunter935]

65. I worked with these

Not cartoons

[rickford66]

50. Right. Every definition is made up at some time. Eat your bow tie Tucker.

[chervilant]

2. Wow...

Just, wow.

Why is Carlson still allowed to "report" on anything? Cannot even FOX see how ridiculous is this disgusting person?

[Hemmingway]

3. Define an assault weapon.

Does it have a detachable magazine? Semi-automatic? [IMG][/IMG]

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Both of these rifles are functionally identical. They shoot the same exact rounds. They're semi-automatic with detachable magazines.


So, define assault rifle.

[Hoyt]

5. Functionally identical, maybe. But, one appeals to yahoos, racists, and wannabe militia members.

[Hemmingway]

6. They're the exact same thing with different clothes.

It seems illogical to try to ban one but not the other.

[Hoyt]

7. That's the point Hemmingway. Hunters might be attracted to one, but yahoos, racists,

callous gun cultists are attracted to ones like this:





I'd support banning both if that is what makes you happy and lay down your gunz.

[Duckhunter935]

12. We know you want to ban guns

That's why I am glad you are in the minority and it will never happen

[Hoyt]

13. No, I really want to keep guns out of the hands of yahoos, racists, and milita wannabes.

The best way to do that, it is to restrict the gunz that get those folks all excited.

[randys1]

38. Has to happen eventually, otherwise every single person and child will have 200 guns and

will be shooting each other daily.

YOu see, evolution is what we as humans are all about.

When you evolve, grow, mature and realize the down side to guns far outweigh the up, you eliminate them for the better of all.

It wont happen in our lifetimes because people like you want their gun more than they want to eliminate gun deaths.

I am not saying that to attack you, it is a fact.

I know, I know, if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have them, no, not true ANYWHERE it has been done.

This thread is in GD, were it in your gun forum I wouldnt respond because I dont like having hidden post problems, but here in GD I hope I have the right to tell the truth about guns.

Hey, I like shooting guns too...but the fun of that vs the deaths, I have to do the adult thing and say no, if I want to shoot a gun i can get a video game.


The entire civilized world looks at us and cant understand for the life of them, why we are so stupid on this issue

[Hoyt]

45. Excellent post. The Australians bit the bullet in 1996, we can too. The sooner the better.

Every decade we refuse to do anything, 100 million more guns are produced and scarfed up by the gun culture. Just more to deal with when we finally wise up.

[IronGate]

49. Yeah, the Aussie's did do that,

the difference being that Australia didn't have the 2A like we do, so your comparison is laughable at best.

[Hoyt]

52. The Aussie's can read, gun culture and 5 of the Supreme Court Justices can't.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, . . . . . ."

[IronGate]

56. Except that's not true and you well know it as has been pointed out

several times to you, and I'm not going to again.
Suffice to say that your wrong.

Oh, BTW, "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

[spanone]

8. you're right, let's ban both

[krispos42]

19. So because you disapprove of the culture, you want to ban them.

Tell me again how it's not culture war?

[Hoyt]

26. Do you consider yourself part of the "yahoos, racists, and wannabe militia members" culture?

I hope not.

[krispos42]

32. Considering you want your laws passed based on your definition...

...it doesn't really matter what I think of myself, does it?

[Electric Monk]

10. So, your point is, they both are? Since they're both designed for the same thing, killing. nt

[NuclearDem]

22. Glad to see you made your way over here.

You can head back to Discussionist now.

[flamin lib]

14. You may be a gun nut if

you don't know what an assault weapon is . . .

[IronGate]

46. Anything can be an "assault weapon"

This:



This



This:



This too:



And last, but not least:




My point being that anything can be defined as an "assault weapon" if used to assault someone.

Does that make me a "gun nut"?

[flamin lib]

69. You may be a gun nut if

you go to these extremes to confuse assault weapons with other things . . .

[linuxman]

16. Wow.

"Laws usually define an assault weapon as military-style semiautomatic rifles that are designed to kill humans efficiently"

Seems my Mauser k98 and Mosin Nagant have been promoted to assault weapon status. I'm thrilled to hear it.

Oh well, seems that the buzzword has lost its oomph. Time to come up with another hair on fire term to stir the shit with.

[Duckhunter935]

17. good thing hand guns

are not designed designed to kill humans efficiently, only rifles count

My Swiss K31 is also now an assault weapon I guess.

[Electric Monk]

27. You make an interesting point, unintentionally

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=2135

[Duckhunter935]

31. It was quite intentional

Shows how idiotic it is to make laws on cosmetic features

[krispos42]

18. It's an arbitrary standard.

That's how they get "strenghened"... you add to (broaden) the definition. Because it's arbitrary, the definition is very expandable.

For example, the rifle used in the Newtown massacre was not an "assault weapon". Not when it was bought, not when it was used.

Since then, the law has changed, and now it is an "assault weapon". Retroactively.

[hack89]

20. The Sandy Hook weapon was not an assault weapon

According to CT's strict assault weapon ban. It is a made up term in that it ignores fundamental capabilities of the rifle like caliber and rate of fire and focuses on cosmetic features.

[Hoyt]

23. Yeah, but the gun lovers buy them for those cosmetic features. That tells you something

about them.

[hack89]

24. So?

It is not like they are being used to kill a lot of people. They are not even the weapon of choice for mass shooters.

[Hoyt]

37. They are being used to intimidate a lot of people and many have them in preparation

for domestic terrorism.

[Duckhunter935]

35. Yes, it is called for safety

Adjustable stock, so you can fit the rifle to the shooter more accurately for safety
Pistol grip, Used to better control the weapon for safety

Bayonet lugs, well you have me there but I am sure there are many, many bayonets attached to rifles used in murders.

[Hoyt]

42. Yeah, these yahoos are worried about "safety." Do you really believe that?

[Duckhunter935]

54. Wow you can use the google

Those 10 or 20 not so much but the millions that do not have there pictures there are thinking about safety.

are all car owner bad due to this?

[Electric Monk]

39. The dead children from Sandy Hook might beg to differ as to whether your semantics matter

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=4993

[derby378]

41. That response is both irrelevant and insensitive

Neither side of the debate should be using the dead children from Sandy Hook as human shields. So please stop.

[Electric Monk]

44. Did you mean to reply to Hack89 instead? They brought it up. Magazine size matters. nt

[derby378]

47. Nice attempt at deflection, but no.

One does not stay a member of DU for over 10 years without knowing how to respond to a fellow DUer. (I still can't believe I outlasted redqueen, of all people! I feel old.)

[Duckhunter935]

55. not with VA Tech, those were low capacity versions

and the killer never emptied his magazines in Sandy Hook so lower capacity versions would have made no difference.

[4b5f940728b232b034e4]

58. Wrong.

One side has the moral duty to do it. It is wrong not to.

[IronGate]

59. Wrong.

It's rehensible for either side of the issue to use those victims to advance their agenda.

[4b5f940728b232b034e4]

61. So you want their sacrifice to be in vaid?

They are victims in the NRA's war on children. They should be honored and remembered unlike the way your kind wants to ignore and forget them.

[IronGate]

62. And just what kind would I be genius?

Honored, remembered? Yes.
Used as a tool for the gun control orgs? NO, it's rehensible.

[Dirty Socialist]

21. The Origin of "Assault Rifle"

The Germans developed a weapon called StG 44. StG stood for "sturm rifle". Assault rifle term was developed from that term. The Russian AK-47 was developed from the StG 44.

[hack89]

28. And "assault weapon" was coined to confuse people

It is amazing how many people still think assault weapons are full automatic.

[derby378]

43. We have Josh Sugarmann of VPC to thank for that

There's debate over who coined the term "assault weapon," but when it comes to actually trying (and failing) to define the term, all fingers point to Sugarmann.

[Hoyt]

48. It was coined to attract gun buyers. That's why people are attracted to them.

Gun Marketeers understand their target market.

[hack89]

51. It was coined by gun control groups in the 90's

To get the AWB passed.

[IronGate]

57. Wrong, again.

It was coined by Josh Sugarmann of the VPC.

[Paladin]

68. Well there you go. Send that Nazi info to Little Mr. Bowtie Boy.

I'm sure he'll be grateful......

[Rex]

25. They don't!? Wow.

I guess Tucker is that stupid.

[SonofMarx]

29. "Assault Weapon" is a legal term?

I think it was just a term that all people use to mean big guns?

???

[NYC_SKP]

33. Unless it's fully automatic, like that UZI, it's not an assault rifle.

The legislators have figured out that they need to recreate their definition to something like "military style".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

Many of them don't know a lot about the field, but have powers to legislate just the same.

Go figure.

[Duckhunter935]

36. I think you mean "Assault Rifle"

That confusing description is good and works

[NYC_SKP]

53. I did indeed. Thanks, edited!

Sometimes their word salad technique of distraction works, even on me.

GUNS BAD!!!11!

[Nye Bevan]

34. As a supporter of strong gun control laws,

it seems to me that "assault weapon" is a useless, deliberately misleading made-up phrase that exists only to make people think that real gun control is being enacted when in fact it is not.

[derby378]

40. Tucker Carlson taking cues from a liberal Democrat like me? Wow...

After all, I've been saying the same damn thing since at least 2005. Is Tucker starting to how doubts about conservatism and guns?

[ileus]

64. A pool noodle can be an assault weapon if used incorrectly.

[baldguy]

66. The same reasoning that says assault weapons don't exist

says that racism doesn't exist either.

[Igel]

67. He's wrong. And has a point.

Every term is made up at some point. No terms spring spontaneously from nature, already formed for human use.

Even onomatopoeia varies a bit, so you can't claim that.


But it's not quite a natural class. There are such words. But when you look at the definition of an assault weapon, although they point out features they generally the legislators then have to define them by list. Things that clearly *could* be on the list are often omitted; things that don't fit the criteria very well do make the list.

It's rather like "Latino," which tends to mean "Spanish speaker from Central America and Mexico," but can also include Brazilians, blond Argentines, and even French-speakers from Guyana. But does not include full-blooded non-Spanish-speaking Quechua or Mixtec. Until you get away from the definition and look at the list of what's covered and what's not covered.

[greatauntoftriplets]

70. We're locking this since it does not meet the GD SOP.

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