If you oppose Obama from the right, If you oppose Clinton, from the right

[randys1]

you are probably a racist and a misogynist.

I can prove it...

I can prove that neither Obama as President or Hillary as US Senator and future possible President has done or will do anything that is so far out of the mainstream that any mainstream republican would be so terribly against them.

I have made this challenge with rightwingers and never received a list of actual policies or actions that justify their hate.

And they hate these two people, make no mistake about it.

Now I didnt hate George W Bush until he lied us into a war and sent my step son there, and sent my wife and I on a 18 month long nightmare, I didnt hate him until he dismantled my US Justice system and filled it with rightwing religious morons. I could go on with all the horrific shit this guy did that made me hate him and his little buddy Dicky.

So dont compare the two hates, one is fully earned, the other not.




(I say from the right for a very important reason, personally as a liberal I have all kinds of problems with both these people, of course I would vote for either and have and will against any and all republicans for the obvious reason)

[Jackpine Radical]

1. I understand your point, but think any Dem

would be tarred with the "socialist" label for pushing the ACA (even though it's a Republican bill). I think the game of the Master Manipulators is to mis-characterize the actions and persona of whatever Dem is in the Oval Office--Gore or Kerry would have gotten very similar treatment--although the race & gender issues are certainly a help in ginning up the emotions of the rabid droolers. That is, the psychopaths on top would have had to work a little harder to froth up the rabble in the absence of pre-existing race & gender triggers.

[Thinkingabout]

2. They have been to the left for some time. Many have attempted to paint

Obama and Hillary as right but just isn't true. If they stated they were left of Obama and Hillary then it may be a true statement.

[DirkGently]

3. Gay rights, healthcare reform?

I don't see either of those two as being wildly liberal either, but you have to bear in mind the context of the times in which we live. How many card-carrying conservatives managed to support any kind gay rights, women's reproductive rights, or even the modest public /private health care reform of the ACA?

I think the out-of-the-gate presumption that Obama was a bleeding-edge liberal of some kind was fueled in large part by his ethnic identity, as well as some vague report I remember saying he had a "the most liberal voting record in Congress."

Hillary, if anything, is even less liberal.

But the current crop of conservatives and Republicans are near absolutists. All of the statehouses and governorships gained in 2010 have basically been one gigantic union / abortion rights / voter smashing effort.

To them, anything short of that IS wildly liberal.

[Welibs]

4. I'm a liberal to the bone Canadian now and neither Obama nor Hillary Clinton are!

Obama isn't even close to democrat and Hillary is even further right! I coerced all of my family and friends to vote for Obama, twice, and I can't believe what
he has turned into!

Everything is secret with Obama, the TPP, secret courts, drones in the skies killing innocent people, spies in computers so full of viruses (Microsoft created),
they don't function correctly. Not one banker has been prosecuted and Obama, Pelosi and Reid made a DEAL with Republicans not to prosecute them and
instead let them rig elections to steal the power they've had the last 6 years and use it like a weapon of mass destruction against the people that gave it to
them!

I wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton if she was the last so-called dem on the planet. Hillary is the main architect of the TPP, The Clinton Global Initiative is
all about the New World Order and the TPP and Bill repealed Glass-Steagall. I used to wonder why he did that and I defended right wing accusations against
him for years but I now believe he did that intentionally to help bring in the New World Order.

Hillary Clinton admits outright that she is on the bankers side and she actually used Kissinger as an advisor when she was Sec of State.
Take a look at Margaret Thatcher's policies, Hillary will make the Iron Lady look like Little Bo Peep!

[Vattel]

5. No doubt hatred of Obama from the right is fueled by racism.

But some people just hate anyone that is pro-choice or pro-gay-equality or pro-ACA or pro-anything-that-doesn't-benefit-the-1%