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Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 08:49 PM Sep 2014

Is a blockade of a port an act of war?

Just curious what the feelings are on this


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Is a blockade of a port an act of war? (Original Post) Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 OP
It's a warning fadedrose Sep 2014 #1
Voted "no" because I believe it depends on the conditions, the details. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #2
Impeding an economy can be part of a starvation tactic to soften a target for war DireStrike Sep 2014 #4
Please see line #2 of my reply. nt NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #5
"suffering and strife" are ill defined terms. DireStrike Sep 2014 #8
No, it is literally an act of war. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #13
Loose the Hounds, then! NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #16
Well, just making hte point, it's a term with a legal definition Scootaloo Sep 2014 #21
We agree! NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #22
Yes it is. atreides1 Sep 2014 #3
Yes it is. AngryAmish Sep 2014 #6
If a nation moves forces into the territorial waters of another to blockade the port... Kaleva Sep 2014 #7
Is this in reference to Calais? William769 Sep 2014 #9
The erectile dysfunction medication? Kaleva Sep 2014 #10
... William769 Sep 2014 #11
I am keeping an eye on you. AngryAmish Sep 2014 #12
... leftstreet Sep 2014 #15
Oh YOU NuclearDem Sep 2014 #18
no, this Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #14
Thanks. I should have guessed some more shit that Russia is pulling. William769 Sep 2014 #17
Your day will get better Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #19
Thank you for the context. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #20
JFK and his advisors thought so. longship Sep 2014 #23
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. Voted "no" because I believe it depends on the conditions, the details.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:12 PM
Sep 2014

If said blockade merely impedes the target's economy, it might not be so bad.

If that blockade, instead, begins to cause suffering and strife and death, then it crosses the line and may become an act of war.

Done well, it can be a warning.

NB, it also depends upon whom is asked the questions; the blockader or the blockadee!

DireStrike

(6,452 posts)
4. Impeding an economy can be part of a starvation tactic to soften a target for war
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:15 PM
Sep 2014

and has been in the past. It's about as close as you can get without actually declaring war, imo.

DireStrike

(6,452 posts)
8. "suffering and strife" are ill defined terms.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:25 PM
Sep 2014

Pretty much any blockade is going to cause suffering and strife for somebody, and every problem is a headache for the rulers of the blockaded nation's government, and an impediment to them being able to raise or maintain military forces. It is undoubtedly a very threatening act.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
16. Loose the Hounds, then!
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:41 PM
Sep 2014

I don't know, I'm a pacifist.

"Act of War" suggests to me "defend at any cost" which I think describes the history of human failure.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
21. Well, just making hte point, it's a term with a legal definition
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 10:13 PM
Sep 2014

And blockading a port does fall within that definition.

atreides1

(16,799 posts)
3. Yes it is.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:15 PM
Sep 2014

blockade, an act of war by which a belligerent prevents access to or departure from a defined part of the enemy’s coasts.

Blockades are regulated by international customary law and by international treaty law. A blockade must be declared in advance by notification of all neutral powers, and it must be applied impartially against ships of all states. Mere declarations of a blockade or “paper blockades,” common in the 18th and early 19th centuries, have no legal effect; the blockading state must make the blockade effective by maintaining naval or air forces in the area in sufficient strength to prevent ingress or egress from the enemy’s ports. Once the blockade ceases to be effectively maintained, the legal state of blockade lapses and can only be reestablished by due notification and enforcement.

Penalties for breach of blockade are seizure of ship and cargo and their possible condemnation as lawful prize. Neutral ships may not be destroyed for blockade running.

The law of blockade, in common with other laws of war, has evolved historically to meet the needs of major powers. The development of submarines and aircraft, in particular, made it impossible to station blockading warships in constant positions off an enemy’s coasts to maintain close blockades, and it has subsequently been accepted that long-range blockades (maintained by naval forces out of sight of the enemy’s coast) are legal if they effectively prevent ingress and egress.

There is little legal authority, however, by which the meaning of “effective blockade” may be precisely defined under conditions of modern naval warfare. There is authority for the view that risk of seizure for ships running the blockade must be substantial, entailing the presence of patrolling ships

Kaleva

(40,108 posts)
7. If a nation moves forces into the territorial waters of another to blockade the port...
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:21 PM
Sep 2014

that may be considered an act of war.

To the best of my knowledge, no U.S. naval forces entered Cuban waters when President Kennedy ordered a naval blockade of that nation back in 1962.

Kaleva

(40,108 posts)
10. The erectile dysfunction medication?
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:30 PM
Sep 2014

How ED and blockading a port is connected is beyond me.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
14. no, this
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:40 PM
Sep 2014
Russia has deliberately sunk three of its own ships to block Ukrainian navy vessels into a lake off the Black Sea, officers say, highlighting Moscow’s determination to wear down the morale of Kiev’s forces in Crimea.The Ochakov — a Soviet-era warship decommissioned in 2011 and set to be sold for scrap — was towed to the entrance to Lake Donuzlav on Crimea’s western coast from the Russian base at Sevastopol on Thursday and blown up.

It capsized and, along with two smaller Russian vessels, is now blocking the narrow gap between two spits of land, its hull beaten by rough Black Sea waves.
http://cmsimg.defensenews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=M5&Date=20140309&Category=DEFREG01&ArtNo=303090010&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Blocked-By-Sunken-Russian-Ships-Ukraine-s-Navy-Stays-Defiant

William769

(59,147 posts)
17. Thanks. I should have guessed some more shit that Russia is pulling.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:44 PM
Sep 2014

For some reason I thought you might be talking about this. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/04/migrants-calais-desperate-attempts-reach-britain

Yes, I'm having that type of day.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
20. Thank you for the context.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 10:00 PM
Sep 2014

I stand by my no answer, of course: that it is contextual.

Acts of War can be subtle or can be overt, but often it's a matter of terminology and international law.

I don't know, this may well technically be an act of war, but I wouldn't be too quick to act or react on it as an act of war.

longship

(40,416 posts)
23. JFK and his advisors thought so.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 01:08 AM
Sep 2014

That is why they called the Cuban blockade in October, 1962 a quarantine.

But after his speech to the world on October 22, 1962, nobody in the world had any delusions that it was anything other than a line in the sand which if anybody crossed it could mean nuclear war.
http://m.



Thankfully, JFK kept the warmongers at bay and kept the peace.

As a baby boomer in my early teens I remember how scary this was.

A fairly good recounting:
Thirteen Days (if one forgives Kevin Costner his horrible Boston accent and the lame back story -- why does Hollywood always do that?)
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