“They weren’t just pouring water over their heads or over a cloth---This was real torture.”

[kpete]

CIA 'tortured al-Qaeda suspects close to the point of death by drowning them in water-filled baths'
Exclusive: As the US Senate prepares to release a report documenting US torture programme after 9/11, Telegraph reveals new details about the scope of CIA excesses

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The CIA brought top al-Qaeda suspects close “to the point of death” by drowning them in water-filled baths during interrogation sessions in the years that followed the September 11 attacks, a security source has told The Telegraph.

The description of the torture meted out to at least two leading al-Qaeda suspects, including the alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, far exceeds the conventional understanding of waterboarding, or “simulated drowning” so far admitted by the CIA.

“They weren’t just pouring water over their heads or over a cloth,” said the source who has first-hand knowledge of the period. “They were holding them under water until the point of death, with a doctor present to make sure they did not go too far. This was real torture.





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/11080450/CIA-tortured-al-Qaeda-suspects-close-to-the-point-of-death-by-drowning-them-in-water-filled-baths.html

[grahamhgreen]

1. Don't you mean "real patriotism"?

[woo me with science]

3. The president thinks you should stop being so "sanctimonious."

What a cesspool of corruption and inhumanity this government has become, all the way to the ostensible top.

"Dear President Obama, Eat My Sanctimonious Shorts"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/04/1318895/-Dear-President-Obama-Eat-My-Sanctimonious-Shorts

[StevePaulson]

8. Imagine What The Republicans Would Say

If it was Obama that ordered the torture.....

Now that may put it in perspective.....

[JEB]

2. We as a nation will not get past these crimes

until the perps are prosecuted.

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. Yeah, that's not gonna happen. Looking forward....

[StevePaulson]

9. Remember, Rumsfield Can't Leave The Country

He was gonna to do some speech in Germany and some "citizens" were calling for his arrest. He had to cancel out of fear of paying for his crimes.

[Spider Jerusalem]

5. This "Source" sounds like a fuckwit

waterboarding is torture. The fact that they're not actually underwater doesn't make it less torture.

[StevePaulson]

6. Best Way To Fight ISIS / ISIL

Prosecute Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld for ordering torture, and ignoring the Abu Gharib Muslim insult factory.

Like that is gonna happen.

[StevePaulson]

7. They Want To Kill Us Because We Are Hypocrites

They behead people, and that makes them evil. I agree. We torture people, and we are not evil????

Most Americans don't understand the word hypocrite.

The people that want to kill us certainly do.

The Bush Cheney plan was to kill them over there (and torture a bunch too) so we don't have to kill them over here. Now how is that working out my friends?

[woo me with science]

10. kick

[Baitball Blogger]

11. When I was a kid the morality question that everyone would struggle with was why

did the German soldiers follow the heinous orders that resulted in the deaths of millions of people during World War II. There were college classes on the subject, presumably because someone was afraid that it could happen again.

I think what we are learning today about the CIA torture methods advances that discussion.

[grahamhgreen]

12. Yes. It's now patriotic.

[Baitball Blogger]

13. The short answer to the Nazi essay question was "Nationalism"

Patriotism is just the Repub version.

[grahamhgreen]

15. Well, it's Obama's version, too:

OBAMA: We did a whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks. We did some things that were contrary to our values.

I understand why it happened. I think it’s important when we look back to recall how afraid people were after the Twin Towers fell and the Pentagon had been hit and the plane in Pennsylvania had fallen, and people did not know whether more attacks were imminent, and there was enormous pressure on our law enforcement and our national security teams to try to deal with this. And it’s important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had. And a lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/01/press-conference-president

[Baitball Blogger]

16. I think there is always a danger in carrying Bush's water.

Once the "28 pages" are revealed, trust in our government will plummet when we recognized that they had the intelligence to know who hit us, and used our fear to target anyone but the people who were responsible.

[Rex]

14. They said Real Patriots condone torture. That is what I understood from various conversations.

Torture, death...both okay in certain situations. So sayth those that torture, deny torturing or perhaps don't know who is getting tortured right now in Syria or Turkey. CIA likes to torture people, kinda already knew that one. CIA likes to spy on Congress and it stands to reason the WH and the SCOTUS (why skip over the other two branches). Thank goodness they are not out of control!