Both Clintons seem to like war criminals

[Cyrano]

I'm not sure what the occasions were, but I've recently seen Hillary hanging out with war criminal Henry Kissinger, and Bill sharing a stage and whooping it up with war criminal Bush Jr.

WTF? Is it all right to hang out around war criminals after enough time has passed? Or do the Clintons just believe that Kissinger and Bush Jr. are swell guys?

On edit: Bill was helping launch a Presidential Leadership Scholarship program. He was yukking it up with Bush Jr. who was seated beside him. Hillary was reviewing Kissinger's new book and seemed more than happy to shake his hand. Evidently she didn't notice the blood on it.

[ladjf]

1. If it is true that "birds of a feather , flock together", it

doesn't look good for the Clintons.

[malaise]

2. I turned off the TV after the 'so cute' comment from Mica

Sick!

[Octafish]

3. This photo raises a lot of questions...

Wallace and his third wife, the former Lisa Taylor, meet with Vice President George Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton at a lobster bake at Bush's residence at Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. The third Mrs. Wallace, whom the governor married in 1981, was 30 years his junior and half of a country-western singing duo, Mona and Lisa, who had performed during his campaign in 1968.
CREDIT: AP/Birmingham Post

Poppy Bush, for actions ranging from Iran-Contra to the Panama invasion to the Highway of Death in Kuwait, has established his record. George Wallace is known as a racist who reformed late in life. One thing seldom mentioned these days is his running mate in 1968 was Gen. Curtis LeMay, who exhibited insubordination to President Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis. LeMay, along with his boss Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer and CIA director Allen Dulles, told JFK they wanted to launch a sneak attack on the USSR.

[woo me with science]

15. Interesting.

[grahamhgreen]

27. very

[Enthusiast]

45. Simply incredible.

[Ichingcarpenter]

47. So at the height of Iran contra and CIA cocaine shipments to the US

to Mena airport


Clinton, a democrat is visiting GHW Bush at his compound......... Interesting

[Welibs]

4. Hillary admits that Kissinger was her adviser when she was Sec of State if you can believe it!

[Louisiana1976]

29. Nowadays Kissinger is one of Obama's advisers.

[MohRokTah]

5. What war crimes were either Clinton convicted of?

Your bullshit hyperbolic rhetoric is showing.

[Cyrano]

6. I'm calling Kissinger and Bush Jr. war criminals.

The op states that the Clintons like hanging out with war criminals.

Try reading the op again.

[MohRokTah]

7. More hyperbolic bullshit rhetoric.

Neither are war criminals. Government officials carrying out policies you disagree with are not "war criminals"

War criminals are people who are convicted of war crimes. Neither Kissinger nor Bush have been.

So, stop the bullshit hyperbole or at least put an "alleged" in front of your "war criminals" charge.

Kissinger was brilliant in negotiations with both China and the Soviet Union. He sucked when it came to Chile. Chile does not make him a war criminal and he would never be convicted of such in any court on the face of this planet.

Bush at least did some good regarding AIDS in Africa.

LBJ gave us The Great Society and the Vietnam War.

FDR gave us the New Deal and Japanese Concentration Camps.

Name one high ranking government official who was perfect.

The bullshit hyperbolic rhetoric is what's wrong with American politics.

[Dreamer Tatum]

8. Looks like your subscription to DU Vogue expired in 2001. nt

[MohRokTah]

9. .

[Dreamer Tatum]

10. Trust me, I'm on my 5th set of orbitals already

whenever I see "war criminal," I just substitute "person I don't like." Makes it all make far more sense.

[MohRokTah]

11. I think I'll substitute "peson I have policy disagreements with" instead.

Seems to be more accurate at any rate.

[Dreamer Tatum]

12. I think you slightly missed my point. nt

[el_bryanto]

13. It is odd to see someone defending Kissinger on a Democratic Website

What about Cambodia?

Bryant

[MohRokTah]

17. Not a war crime. eom

[Cyrano]

14. Since you misread my op, I guess

you're not too good at noticing that not all war criminals are brought to trial.

[MohRokTah]

16. I'm better at noticing calling people you disagree with "war criminals" is standard...

hyperbolic bullshit rhetoric.

[democrank]

26. Just took a look at Word Web....

War criminal....

definition....

~an offender who violates international law during times of war~

[MohRokTah]

36. Kissinger violated no international law during a time of war. eom

[grahamhgreen]

28. Bush admitted to torture, Obama refuses to prosecute. Torture is a war crime, therefore he is a war

criminal, yes?

Use the logic, man!

[Louisiana1976]

30. Bush Jr. and Kissinger are too war criminals. Bush Jr. was a war criminal in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Kissinger was not only a war criminal in Chile where a democratically-elected government was overthrown by fascists--he also greenlighted Argentina's bloody Dirty War in which 30,000 were murdered by a fascist regime. I'd like to see Kissinger travel to Argentina and see the inside of an Argentinian prison.

[MFM008]

32. un indicted war criminals

There is such a thing.

[MohRokTah]

35. If that is your belief, then qualify "war criminals" with "unindicted".

At least that makes it a statement of opinion rather than a statement of fact.

[roguevalley]

33. a kissinger apologist. Here. I'm sure the dead would disagree with you.

You can tell volumes about a person by the company they keep. If someone hung around neo nazis or the klan, I am sure I would not be their friend nor trust them. But that's just me and the argument of equivalency is a loser.

Also, it would help your cause if you drop bullshit from your argument. It makes you look desperate. IMO

[alarimer]

38. Some people will justify anything to defend their candidate.

I have no idea why Kissinger is thought (by some, not by me) to be this great statesman, given the things he has done.

A thoroughly reprehensible human being. And anyone who claims otherwise is suspect certainly.

[Scuba]

43. Sorry, but one becomes a criminal when one commits the crime. Not all criminals are convicted.

[Enthusiast]

46. PLUS ONE!

[Orsino]

18. The parties they frequent would be sparsely attended, otherwise. n/t

[Cyrano]

19. I guess any politician has to

attend things where there are a lot of unsavory people. It goes with the territory.

But yukking it up and shaking hands with people who are widely considered to be war criminals is a bit much.

[former9thward]

41. What is "widely considered to be war criminals"?

What percent of Americans consider them to be war criminals? The reason the Clintons associate themselves with them is the answer is practically zero.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. What's a few million dead people when you aspire to the presidency?

It's just a necessary part of running for or holding office.

[Cyrano]

21. Yep. That damn "collateral damage" stuff keeps

popping up at inconvenient times.

[H2O Man]

22. Recommended.

What's funny -- though not humorous -- is that some people are convinced that if a Henry K or George W were not "convicted," that they are not war criminals. That combination of shallow and concrete thinking is stunning. If a man murders another person, but is never caught, is he not a murderer?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

23. Agreed. Some people like having their head up their ass and mistaking that

for cleverness.

[H2O Man]

24. Thank you. I'm glad

to see that most DUers are uncomfortable with people advocating for war criminals.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

25. You and I have been here long enough to smell this bullshit from a mile away. nt

[RandiFan1290]

31. Leave Bush alone!

[YoungDemCA]

34. ....

[SamKnause]

37. It is a dog and pony show.

It is an act.

They are actors playing their parts.

They don't really hate one another.

They are all in the same elite club.

They may disagree but they are thicker than thieves.

They all have skeletons in their closets.

It really is not an admirable occupation.

Those with ethics are few and far between.

[justiceischeap]

39. I'm firmly convinced that once you make it to the national level of politics

you have in some way been corrupted--particularly in the higher ranking positions within the government.

And the hypocrisy is huge on DU sometimes. Everyone thought President Obama was the best thing since sliced bread (and some still do) but I haven't heard a peep about him enlisting Kissinger as a diplomat to Russia as President-elect Obama. I didn't see anyone saying we shouldn't reelect him because of it.

I'm not saying I support a candidate who hasn't even announced she's running yet, but I'm not holding this against her and I'm not holding Bill having a cordial relationship with Shrub against him either. Politics is an ugly business and no one is clean.

[wyldwolf]

40. bump for hysteria.

[eridani]

42. True of every American president since Ww II, no exceptions n/t

[Enthusiast]

44. This is beyond disgusting.

I will not vote for candidate HRC under ANY circumstances.