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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGay Culture Is Dying. Good Riddance!
Wait, wait, before you hit Alert, hear her out.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/09/08/gay_culture_i_look_forward_to_its_extinction_dialogue.html
The preservationist impulse is an understandable one. Lesbians and gays are a tiny minority. Historically, we've been subject to stigma and oppression at the hands of a larger culture acting under the influence of the purity dictates of irrational ancient religions. Today, though, these religious prohibitions are holding far less sway over modern ideas and attitudes, and they were themselves something of an historical accident, a case of a fringe religious group (Christians) unexpectedly coming to dominate Western culture a thousand years ago. The two previous cultures to which Westerners owe the greatest cultural debt, those of Greece and Rome, didnt find anything particularly wrong or abhorrent in homosexual activity. Although their ethic was nothing like our modern one, it is instructive to note that there is nothing natural or inevitable about moral or legal prohibitions of homosexuality....
Those who suggest that we, as gays, will always need places of refuge show a failure of imagination at how bright our future can be. They assume that there must always be some stigma, some feeling of difference, or separateness, or loneliness, remaining after the work of the LGBTQ movement is accomplished. But why? After all, left-handedness was once associated with the devil, but there is no distinct left-handed subculture. Left-handed people have their shared annoyances, they even have pride, of a sort, in their supposed tendencies toward creativity and genius. But there are no left-handed bars or cruises.
Gays and lesbians are different from left-handers in one important way, which is that we must seek out and date each other (or bisexuals of our own gender). If Internet dating didnt exist, this would probably be enough to make designated gay spaces a necessity. As it is, however, even this level of segregation has become unnecessary. Gays and lesbians should not be afraid of a future where we reclaim our birthright by integrating fully into the communities that give birth to us.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)There are so many levels on which I find absolutely ZERO common ground with people who do sexual acts with the members of the opposite gender.
What can I say. I do not rejoice in seeing gay subculture wane. But then I'm older than most so there's that, I suppose.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)But I know you get what I mean. Cheers.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)every single time i have to explain to straight people, that in many states i will lose my marriage rights and possibly employment protections.
it's only one example why my friends are primarily LGBTQ identified
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)several weeks on business and to be able to find a ready made comfortable experience in a gay club where you sort of felt you were with family in a strange city very far from home.
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snooper2
(30,151 posts)Response to snooper2 (Reply #19)
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snooper2
(30,151 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)I think the legalities though of getting a model's release is a grey area I don't want to test, but if I were homeless and assetless, I guess I'd be more willing ...
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)"There are so many levels on which I find absolutely ZERO common ground with people who do sexual acts with the members of the opposite gender."
I am trying to imagine why that is. I guess I could understand it if life was all about "sexual acts," but it's not.
I completely understand wanting to have spheres where you can be around other gay folks, but if you have ZERO in common with straight people, I think that says something about your personality - not your sexuality.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Cheers.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)That truly never entered my brain.
You are who you are, but I'm glad my gay friends feel differently. They enrich my life - not because they are gay, but because they are great.
KG
(28,751 posts)Xyzse
(8,217 posts)In fact, I am a bit enthused and happy to note that when dealing with weddings lately, many don't even ask what genders are in there.
It is just called a marriage.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)She mentions the idiot scumbucket Andrew Sullivan...hard to take her seriously after that.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Are you ready to throw The Greatest Living American(TM) under the bus?
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)I saw that too.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Once in the United States we believed that all those ethnic differences would melt away and we'd be one homogonized people and this was pretty desirable. That usually meant that racial minorities would learn to act like middle-class wasps - a dubious benefit at best.
While it is laudable that Gays are more accepted in regular society - if there is a Gay Community/Gay Culture, I don't know if it'd necessarily be a good thing that that disappeared.
But I'm straight so may not be looking at this correctly.
Bryant
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)as remnants of immigrant culture have in NYC's Little Italy and Chinatown.
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)and I've already said too much.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Do you guys have an agenda?
Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)She needs to do some damn research. Too many people falsely believe ancient Greece and Rome were hotbeds of homo-acceptance. They were not. There is a difference between same-sex acts and homosexuality.
I am actually quite sick of people trying to assimilate. It is one thing to be a part of life, and quite another to do it at the expense by denying the culture of one of your identities.
This reads like something a self-loathing homosexual would write; filled with internalized homophobia and disdain.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Damn straight. I engage in furious bouts of same-sex acts all the time and I'm not even slightly gay.
Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)You might discover the difference between same-sex acts and being gay.
A DU thread to start you on your way: Gay People Made A Straight Man Cry With Their Response To The Question 'Is Being Gay A Choice?'
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)But all of us children of gay people don't. And neither do people who identify as bi.
Through an online group of the children of gays and lesbians, I've heard from many teen and adult children who have felt excluded from both cultures. With their parents, they are condemned by some straight people. And yet some gay people don't accept straight children as real members of their communities, because "they can pass."
You'd think they'd realize that passing isn't good enough.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)we are older -- so nothing outrageous about our culture -- but lots of dinner parties and movies.
i am not comfortable with straights.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)That once you achieve a certain level of money, that you cannot be targeted. So many jews were in Germany that it was called "the new palestine."
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)Well I saw it on my cellphone. Can't a person dream for that???
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)turning turquoise and all from age. Time for another session at the range.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Indeed, wouldn't be nice to see society understand being gay as just another part of American life? I hope to live to see that day.
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)The deep rooted Gay culture, with so many positives out of horror, well I would hate to see it die. While I believe that Gay people have the same human rights as straights, they are not the 'same'--they shouldn't have to be--and the dying of Gay culture leaves our world culture poorer. I hope always to attend pride parades, I hope Gays always have their places to meet and greet and get to know each other.
Gay culture is so rich, and offers so much, I hope the straight world is able to see even a tiny part of it.
Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)Take a look people...^^^^THIS POSTER^^^^ is an ALLY!
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)They say there just aren't that many places they're inclined to go where they aren't welcome and if those amongst their community with more self-destructive tendencies are taking their business online and behind closed doors, that is just great too.
Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)I have a feeling it will be "sexual" in nature. See, there is no "GLBT culture" except who we fuck! I learned that tonight...right here at DU!
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)It demonstrates the issue of internalized homophobia well, when gays see "other" gays in that lens. There is more to our culture and community then how, how much, and how often we have sex.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)despite increasing social acceptance from the mainstream. Best of both worlds in a sense.
Behind the Aegis
(53,944 posts)She took on the concept of "melting pot" in regards to the US. She said there is no reason we need to become like one another in order to get along. We should be more like a "salad." We retain our individuality, but still come together to make something desirable.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)His name should never come up in any intelligent discussion, unless the subject is right wing assholism.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)He is rumored to engage in unprotected sex ("barebacking" . If true, since he is HIV+ and knows it, that is irresponsible bordering on criminal (actually is criminal in some states).
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I don't live in any sort of "gay culture" world.
I have gay friends, straight friends, bi friends.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)are uncomfortable with straight people. I understand, I guess -- but it still brings me down.
My gay friends enrich my life and bring me great joy, and I hope I do the same for them. I suppose it helps that we all embrace nerd culture with sufficient enthusiasm so as to render all else secondary.
irisblue
(32,962 posts)The Lesbian Music Festivals are still happening; one here in Ohio quite soon; there will be some scared, just 18 yr old kid from Ashville Ohio will work up the nerve to go in The South Bend Tavern on a Friday night, and the 2014 Columbus Pride Parade& Festival had more then 400,000 attendes. We aren't going away. And Andrew Sullivan...a joke. We're here, we're queer, get used to it.
teenagebambam
(1,592 posts)Husband and I (together 21 years) have always sort of "mainstreamed" ourselves as far as choice of neighborhood, social activities, etc. Except for one other long term gay couple, our best friends are all straight couples.
We never faced ostracization from our families, and our careers are in the arts where sexuality was never an issue, and I guess that probably has a lot to do with it.