Elizabeth Warren: Destroy ISIS immediately, increase surveillance and tracking of Americans abroad.

[Cali_Democrat]

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) on Wednesday said that the Obama administration should make defeating the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) its top priority.

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"We need to be working now, full-speed ahead, with other countries, to destroy ISIS. That should be our No. 1 priority," she said in a wide-ranging interview promoting her latest book, A Fighting Chance.

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Asked about the dozens of Americans who have reportedly joined ISIS, Warren noted that the U.S. should be "stepping up our efforts to track where people go when they leave the United States."

"The terrorists have moved, and we have to move in response," she said, adding part of that "means we're going to have to change in fundamental ways how we monitor our citizens when they go abroad."

http://thehill.com/policy/international/216559-warren-destroying-isis-should-be-our-no-1-priority

[99th_Monkey]

1. Seems Sen. Warren has bought the Brooklyn Bridge?

Or did someone get to her? .. maybe someone who was preparing to help fund her re-election and/or a possible presidential run ?

This recent twist in her foreign policy perspective is certainly odd IMHO, and worth delving into a bit in terms of what is motivating her to sound so hawkish all of a sudden.

[Chathamization]

4. It’s not all of a sudden, her foreign policy has always been establishment Democratic stuff. Maybe

a bit to the right of Obama. Some people have seen that she’s pretty good on some economic issues and then decided that she embodies the values of the Left. It’s the same kind of projection that left people feeling deceived after Obama was elected and as president he acted like Obama.

[99th_Monkey]

8. Yes. I'm seeing that now.

You describe my learning curve pretty accurately.

And yes, rather like Obama.

Ok next?

When is Sanders going to register as a D?

[ncjustice80]

29. This makes me sad to see her so hawkish.

Also, tracking people abroad- what type of police state shit is that???

[tazkcmo]

30. That's the part I have trouble with.

As for fighting ISIS, I'm cool with joining a coalition with a heavy regional presence and that includes cooperating with Iran. I'm no hawk but there are times to use military force a little to prevent a lot later. I believe this is one of them.

[ncjustice80]

32. I think military force will create more enemies than anything elae.

The reality is we have two oceans between us and any serious foreign attack- if we stay out if thw fighting and let the region stabilize on its own, they will have no cause to hate us. We need to stop being the world imperialist bully.

[tazkcmo]

39. I understand

And I share the same views. I agree it is best that the region stabilize on it's own. In absence of that along with invitations/cooperation with the regional governments to aid, I believe we can avoid much of the resentment though never all.

Just want to be clear that as a veteran I think military force is a last resort. In this case, I also believe there are no other alternatives but violence as ISIS is crazy. I approve of the President's handling of it thus far. We cannot/should not go it alone for all the reasons you state but I feel strongly, and hope I turn out to be wrong, that if ISIS is allowed to survive in any significant way (the conflict is unresolved by the regional powers and they ask us to help), then we will need to aid those threatened. I'm not even talking about the oil, either. I'm talking about for the good of the people. I was re-called for Oil War I/Desert Storm and vowed never to fight for oil again and wouldn't ask any other SM to do it.

To sum it up, it may come down to pay me now or pay me later.

[treestar]

54. Why shouldn't any such people be tracked abroad

like any other people who are in terrorist groups?

That's not police state that's security.

I believe there was a story lately about some British persons who had gone off to help the terrorists, didn't like it and wanted to return, and there was a sentiment of mistrusting them.

They're not talking about tracking you going on vacation in Europe. They're talking about people who are going to join the jihad.

[ncjustice80]

56. It will be used to harass/abuse Muslims. nt

[treestar]

61. Why, what's the point of bothering with that?

What interest does the US have in harassing American Muslims traveling abroad? There's no reason to waste time on that. Zero in on the terrorists.

[ncjustice80]

69. Why oi rethuglicans harass anyone? They re the modern day klan :/

I think rightwing elements would abuse the s*&^ of it to gin up support from the racist constiuencies.

[zonkers]

57. Soooo true. People hear what they WANT to hear.

[Cali_Democrat]

6. You think somebody is pulling the strings behind the scenes?

[99th_Monkey]

10. Not necessarily

This post explains why I might want to rethink that surmisal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5510494

I was not aware of Warren's foreign policy leanings until recently regarding ISIS.
Better now than after electing her POTUS.

[Tarheel_Dem]

14. You seem to be in the minority. If polling is correct, 2/3 of America agrees with her. n/t

[morningfog]

17. Propaganda works.

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. It sure does, and ISIS seems to be expert at it. Their polished videos are now legend.

That is what you meant, right?

[morningfog]

46. Their videos and the US promotion of them.

All of it is pure propaganda designed to instill fear.

[Tarheel_Dem]

48. The videos were posted to social media. How is the US "promoting" them? Look, I realize there....

are ISIS sympathizers in this country, and throughout Europe. Otherwise, why would they be leaving their home countries to join up? Propaganda works in more than one direction. I mean, your continued insistence that everything is an evil US/Western plot, has a certain ring of propaganda to it as well. See how that works?

[morningfog]

50. Oh bullshit.

So trite, so lame. I wouldn't expect more.

[Tarheel_Dem]

68. And vice-versa!

[zappaman]

62. Well said.

[99th_Monkey]

24. +10 n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

38. Actually I didn't realize Warren was such a hawk...

but another DUer recently mentioned how she was always strong supporter of supplying weapons to Israel and she once lobbied to save an arms manufacturer in her home state.

[99th_Monkey]

43. Yah, me too. Sanders is also staunchly pro-Israel if I'm not mistaken

What's a progressive Dem to do these daze

[cascadiance]

28. I don't think she's that out of bounds with many others' thoughts on this...

ISIS should be a foreign policy priority, and I think if you ask her the context, that is what she meant. It is one of the more severe threats to world peace right now, especially in the middle east. I'd like to see someone ask her whether she thinks solving this is a higher priority than working to get some accountability for bankster actions and restoring middle class wealth, etc. I think she might not fit in with the corporate media spin that is perhaps showing here...

Tracking Americans OR foreigners who are shown to be looking at working with ISIS, should be a priority and a proper POLICE action to track down criminals and bring them to justice. That's the way we'd have worked such problems in the past, and how we should work it in the future. The HAWKISH way is to say that we should go ahead and use drones on Americans if we suspect they are tied in with ISIS... That's not what I see being advocated here, even if some hawkish and "centrist" Dems and Republicans might advocate that.

[Tarheel_Dem]

2. Uh oh, I can see the avatars and sig lines disappearing as we speak.

[djean111]

3. Not really, sorry. Remember that old and hoary saying, "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the

good"? There ya go!
Anyway, Hillary = TPP = blargh, no matter how many times some attempt to push Warren under the bus.

[Tarheel_Dem]

7. I'd say there's a very vocal group on DU who adhere strictly to that principle. There's never a....

suitable middle ground for them, and you know exactly who they are, and most of them display the Warren paraphenalia. So, for many of them, I expect them to quietly disappear EW from the list of candidates who are pure enough to warrant their support. Just a thought.

[Andy823]

21. +1,000,000 nt

[treestar]

55. You said it

They are the ones who let the perfect be the enemy of the good - they'll sacrifice Liz's other issues over this lack of perfection.

[FrodosPet]

60. I am counterbalancing by adding a sig bumper sticker

She is going after the banksters, but not in an anti-capitalist way - Check

And she recognizes that peace should be the primary goal, but that we live in a dangerous world - Check

If she does not want to run, I respect her decision. But if she changes her mind, I will be at her campaign office when it opens to volunteer.

[Autumn]

52. No. I can disagree with her on this just like I can disagree with Obama on it.

I still want her to run.

[CJCRANE]

5. Destroy the monster we helped create

(along with a bunch of other countries).

Then use that monster as an excuse to take away more of our freedoms.

Some of us are getting sick of this stuff.

[99th_Monkey]

26. There is a certain perverted logic to "destroying the monster

we helped to create" .. as in cleaning up our own messes.

I have had that very argument made at me on DU, and i must admit there is
a certain logic to it. HOWEVER <-- big on purpose ...

however, I'd much rather see the Saudis (who were more directly responsible for creating ISIS) and Iran (who has offered to help wipe out ISIS) pick up the tab and the body count for this one.

[Laelth]

9. k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t

-Laelth

[NightWatcher]

11. She was a republican up until 1996

Consumer advocate, sure, but she still may have other Repuke ideals.

[Tarheel_Dem]

12. I just heard Mitch McConnell say: "when Elizabeth Warren starts to sound like Dick Cheney, you know

there's huge bipartistan support".

[TwilightGardener]

33. When she advocates occupying Iraq with many thousands of ground troops to kick

in doors and win hearts/minds, then she'll sound like DickFace. Stupid neocon bullshit. Warren knows we have to clean up their mess.

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. +1. Remember when Colin Powell warned, "if you break it, you own it"? We (Bush) "broke it", and...

now Obama "owns it".

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. Sounds like EW has caught up with US public opinion on ISIS.

Poll: 90% say ISIS poses threat to U.S.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/08/politics/cnn-poll-isis/index.html

[wyldwolf]

31. wait! She's listening to her constituents?? What a novel approach.

[Tarheel_Dem]

34. I know, right? She's been sullied by the Neocons. When is her "purification" ceremony?

[Marr]

15. Well, this ought to put the Centrist complaint that liberals demand pure candidates to rest then.

I support Warren for her views on domestic policy. Our views differ on foreign policy, but I do still support her.

[Cali_Democrat]

16. What makes you think I support Warren's ISIS policy?

Because if you've read my posts about ISIS, you'd know I oppose any kind of intervention.

But don't let facts get in the way or anything like that...

[Mosby]

18. your ok with isis stealing oil?

[Marr]

19. I actually edited my post before you posted that.

I assumed that your point in posting this was to highlight some policy alignment with the Obama Administration that would likely anger liberals.

[Cali_Democrat]

20. "I assumed that your point in posting this was to highlight some policy alignment with the Obama

Administration that would likely anger liberals."

You certainly did assume....wrongly.

LOL


"So Warren is too far right on this issue for you, huh?"

Yep.

[OilemFirchen]

23. No, not really.

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10025318501#post9

She lost me over this issue. I had to change my sig line.

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10025318501#post17

Deal breaker for me.

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10025318501#post32

Same here....

[Marr]

25. That doesn't prove the sweeping statement.

You can always find examples. I see plenty of people there who aren't renouncing support for Warren.

[OilemFirchen]

27. What "sweeping statement"?

Yours?

Some "Centrists" and many others have claimed that there are purists here.

Never seen a "Centrist complaint that liberals demand pure candidates".

I've provided a few examples. Can you do the same?

[Tarheel_Dem]

36. Thank you, and good luck getting a cogent response.

[Marr]

40. Are you serious?

The left is regularly characterized as "purist" by Democrats to their right, who complain that they're too picky or demanding. It's just not just the conservative wing of the party here at DU. They express this sentiment all over the place, from the White House to blogs.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/08/927211/-Obama-s-Right-Liberal-Critics-are-Sanctimonious-Purists#

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/12/obama-goes-medieval-left

[OilemFirchen]

44. Bravo.

You and two others (external to this site) think that conflating "the left" (your words) with "liberals" (also your word) makes for a convincing bleat about purity. That there are puritans on the left - more so the farther left one goes - is a given. That "centrists" "regularly" complain about the purity demands of "liberals" is bullshit.

I note that the President, about whom these screeds were penned, never once mentioned "liberals" in his speech. Congrats, anyway, for finding an idiot Kos diarist and a Mother Jones misanthrope who also fail, intentionally or not, to grasp the distinction.

[Marr]

47. A simple, "I apologize, you're right" would suffice.

You linked to a couple of reply posts from DU as your argument-- and you're scoffing at the links I provided?

It's ok, I didn't really expect anything better than squirming with semantics and a bit of snark anyway. Have a nice evening.

[kelliekat44]

37. Ummm...what do the NSA opponents say? nt

[OilemFirchen]

45. Huh.

[JI7]

41. the thing is this isn't anything different, it's just like Howard Dean supporting Hillary should be

expected.

the problem is the people themselves who don't become informed about people. they start using democrats like warren to attack other dems when the dems are often on the same side.

just look at howard dean being one of hillary's biggest supporters. should not be a surprise at all for those who actually know anything about the man . people for years tried to claim there was some rivalry. and we are now seeing what BS all of that was.

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. It's a disturbing pattern. Remember when Brian Schweitzer was a hero for a hot minute, simply....

because he trashed the President? There were cries of Schweitzer 2016 from the usuals, until somebody provided a link to some of his more egregious policy positions, like his support for the Keystone Pipeline.

You're exactly right, some will fall in line behind anyone who trashes Obama, and the Democratic leadership.

[WinkyDink]

42. "..change...how we monitor...."???? CHANGE?? Not "implement"??

[steelsmith]

51. Good for her

At least she sees the reality of the problem. Hope she runs.

[TheSarcastinator]

53. War Fever is Extremely Infectious

Keep spreading those germs, Cali D. You'll get your slaughter.

[Cali_Democrat]

58. ????

Are you implying I'm a war supporter and I infected Elizabeth Warren with my germs?

In case you missed it, I'm opposed to any kind of intervention against ISIS.

But don't let that stop you!

[AZ Progressive]

59. Anyone expect differently from a harvard law professor?

Look at how things turned out for the other harvard law professor that pretended to be a progressive?

The relationship is that prestigious universities are a significant part of the establishment and you can't expect change from the establishment.

[zappaman]

63. So I guess I'll be voting for Rand Paul then!

Ooops...I thought this was another anti-HRC thread.

Nevermind.

[Katashi_itto]

65. Looks like my choices are Rand Paul or Waffles.

[zappaman]

66. or both

[Katashi_itto]

67. Lol!!

[Tarheel_Dem]

70. !!!

[LordGlenconner]

64. Well, I guess now the bloom is off the rose

She was the cat's meow not 2-3 months ago.

The next big thing.

The anti-Obama.

Now, Warren 2016 avatars/sigs are dropping like autumn leaves.