"I think that people want peace so much that one of these days....

[J_J_]

"I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it"

Dwight D Eisenhower


We have critical mass.

It is time for 99% of humanity to tell the warmongering 1%ers:

ENOUGH!

They won't stop until we make them stop.

We need to tell them WE'RE MAD AS HELL and WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!

[upaloopa]

1. What do we say to the fundamentalists who kill

and are not part of the 1%?
How are people to react to them?

[CJCRANE]

2. They're all part of the same thing IMO.

The 1% are complicit.

[merrily]

3. Eisenhower was such a liar.

Eisenhower entered the 1952 presidential race as a Republican to counter the non-interventionism of Senator Robert A. Taft and to crusade against "Communism, Korea and corruption". He won by a landslide, defeating Democratic candidate Adlai Stevenson and ending two decades of the New Deal Coalition. In the first year of his presidency, Eisenhower deposed the leader of Iran in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état and used nuclear threats to conclude the Korean War with China. His New Look policy of nuclear deterrence gave priority to inexpensive nuclear weapons while reducing the funding for conventional military forces; the goal was to keep pressure on the Soviet Union and reduce federal deficits. In 1954, Eisenhower first articulated the domino theory in his description of the threat presented to United States' global economic and military hegemony by the spread of communism and anti-colonial movements in the wake of Communist victory in the First Indochina War. The Congress agreed to his request in 1955 for the Formosa Resolution, which obliged the US to militarily support the pro-Western Republic of China in Taiwan and take a hostile position against the People's Republic of China on the Chinese mainland. After the Soviet Union launched the world's first artificial satellite in 1957, Eisenhower authorized the establishment of NASA which led to a "space race". Eisenhower forced Israel, the UK, and France to end their invasion of Egypt during the Suez Crisis of 1956. In 1958, he sent 15,000 U.S. troops to Lebanon to prevent the pro-Western government from falling to a Nasser-inspired revolution. Near the end of his term, his efforts to set up a summit meeting with the Soviets collapsed because of the U-2 incident.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower

And don't even get me started on his "beware the MIC speech" given as he was LEAVING office after 8 years as CIC. He lived most of his life off the MIC.

[WhiteTara]

13. Thanks. Great post.

We need to be better educated about our recent history and your post was helpful.

[merrily]

19. Thank you.

I never quite get the love of the left for Ike. Not on this board, but on another, I've even seen Dems excuse his racism.

[jwirr]

26. I was raised in a Democratic family during those "we like Ike" years and we did not. Small farmers

were allowed to go down with no help for any of them. The poor were all but ignored and yes we were becoming the country to stick its nose into every corner of the world if it looked like they could use their war equipment to settle it. At the same time they were ignoring every problem we had here in the US. We called him the do nothing president.

[merrily]

28. Chief Justice Earl Warren.

As AG of California, Warren had been responsible for "interning" the Japanese of California. That was who Eisenhower decided to nominate as Chief Justice of the United States of America. Think about that.

However, once on the bench, Warren turned out to be perhaps the most liberal CJ in US history. Perhaps the jewel in his crown was the school desegregation case, argued by then attorney Thurgood Marshal.

In his autobiography, Warren described talking with Eisenhower during a party attended by many Southerners. Ike said to Warren something like this: "See, Earl? These are not bad people. They just don't their little girl sitting next to some big black gorilla."

Though Joe Scarborough and others will say how Eisenhower desegregated schools, the reality is that he dragged his feet, despite pleas from many people, including Eleanor Roosevelt, who returned to the White House to plead with him.

When asked what the biggest mistake of his 8 years as President was, Eisenhower replied, "Nominating Earl Warren for Earl Warren as Chief Justice." Think about that, too.

When I posted that on another Dem board, I got replies telling me I had to understand that everyone was like that back then, yadda, yadda.

My gut told me otherwise. Besides, Truman had desegregated the military and the records of the Kennedys on race did not match Ike's words. And there was Eleanor Roosevelt, who we know was not like Ike on race.

So, I googled the Democrat who had lost to Ike twice. I found eloquent quotes from Adlai Stevenson arguing for equal rights and posted them. Nothing but silence from Ike's Democratic defenders on that board.

I have no idea if Stevenson practiced what he preached, even a little. I very much doubt, though, that he would have considered appointing Earl Warren the biggest mistake of Ike's 8 years as President.

Speaking of Scarborough, he also loves to credit Ike with building the national highway system. True, Ike loved him some General Motors and some oil companies and our national highway system, a mixed blessing for American families, served them very well. However, the President who conceived of that system was FDR. He did not get around to it because of the Depression and World War II. However, FDR put the wheels in motion.

I have no clue what original ideas Ike brought to the Presidency, but the national highway system was not one of them. And then, there is his choice of VP and putting in motion the Bay of Pigs, for which Kennedy always takes the hit.


Again, the love Democrats seem to have for Ike in the rear view mirror baffles me.

[jwirr]

29. He was elected twice because of his war service not because of his great ideas. There are a few

things he did that I like NOW: putting farmers on Social Security. But I lived through those hard years without any of the help we could expect now and I know that Ike was a true republican of today.

As to everyone was like that - we were not all bigots back then even if many would like to pretend we were.

[Fred Sanders]

18. Eisenhower was the father of the nuclear MAD doctrine that enslaved the planet in fear to this very

day.

And he sold it on the basis that the conventional military could almost be eliminated and the huge cost saving this "vision" promised.

Who would be mad enough to attack a country with 10,000 nuclear bombs even if it's military other than nuclear delivery systems was composed of a wooden spear?

Idiot.

[merrily]

21. Thank you. He perfected "Love what I say; ignore what I do."

[Thinkingabout]

4. Many would like peace all the time, right now there is not peace everywhere. We have a

serious threat, a group who wants to fly their flag over the WH. Are you going to be happy living by their rules?

[J_J_]

5. We spend more money on military than the rest of the world combined

I think we got this.

ISIS isn't going to get anywhere in the US.

Had our fighter jets followed normal air force procedures on 9/11, the planes would have been intercepted within 5 minutes of the transponder being shut off, well before hitting the towers and pentagon after over an hour.

Besides having an airforce that normally intercepts hijacked flights, we also had intelligence informing us of Bin Laden's intentions so on a normal day, with an intelligent US president...we got this covered too.

We really could have prevented 9/11.

You know, unless ISIS knows how to shut down NORAD and make them forget to scramble fighter jets like on 9/11...

Seriously, our military's got this.

We can stay home and protect our borders.

[Thinkingabout]

6. Not all of American facilities are located within our borders. I do not expect the attacks will be

in a surprise bombing such as Pearl Harbor. It just may be bombings such was in Boston, attacks such as on Ft Hood. Don't think NORAD will find these in time. Right now there are many countries becoming allies to deal with ISIS, they are dangerous. If it isn't anything but capturing one American at a time and beheading them, trying to extort countries for ransom. The Saudi are concerned about this group. Are you Libertarian?

[J_J_]

8. no, I am a proud Liberal

and a humanitarian

[J_J_]

9. I seek 'not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women, not merely peace in our time

'but peace for all time'

"I have . . . chosen this time and this place to discuss a topic on which ignorance too often abounds and the truth is too rarely perceived-yet it is the most important topic on earth: world peace.

What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children-not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women, not merely peace in our time but peace for all time. ."

[Thinkingabout]

10. I would like to live the rest of my life with peace, don't see this happening. ISIS is a threat

which must be dealt with. We have Americans working all over the world, I do not want to wake up wondering if more Americans are going to be beheaded by this group. Here is where the humanitarian part comes in.

[J_J_]

11. bombing breeds more terrorism- we will never be safe with this method

you are responding well to propaganda

If our war in Iraq did indeed cause ISIS, how does doing it again fix the problem?

[rickyhall]

16. I agree

Bombing them will bring them over here. Some people don't realize we're all using the same playbook.

[merrily]

22. +1 to all your posts in this subthread.

On another thread I asked the poster if we should use the same methods we'd used in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. He posted back, but did not address my question.

[Thinkingabout]

23. They have overstepped in areas of Iraq, they are working in Syria, they are not rational.

I don't see any peace talks between ISIS and any country. We have radical groups in the US, they do not think sensibly.

[Dragonfli]

12. That was a good joke! As if a small group without a navy or air force could take the WH

and rule over us.

Careful however, the less intelligent among us might think you were actually serious.
I remember when Al Capone and his gang of thugs nearly took over the WH, thank God Ness and Superman were able to stop him.

[rickyhall]

14. I thought he was talking about the repugs.

[Dragonfli]

15. Follow the subthread /nt

[rickyhall]

20. The repugs fly a false, want the WH and won't like they want to do

I know we're talking about IS.

[SidDithers]

7. No Compromise!!...nt

Sid

[Fred Sanders]

17. I think they know that or fear that, hence Chuck Todd and mass misinformation now more blatant.

[tk2kewl]

24. War is over...

If you want it

[J_J_]

25. Oh I want it!

!

[J_J_]

27. All together now

I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE

[J_J_]

30. Are we mad as hell?

or maybe we'll just get distracted by the next silly story about idiotic republicans