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blm

(113,005 posts)
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:23 PM Sep 2014

Still NO backlash for GOP TalkingPointsTodd on ANY networks' political programs.

They spent a lot of time talking about the problems that Democrats will have in the election because of the president - the president that they are all taking potshots at and LYING ABOUT 24/7.

The corporate news media is STILL democracy's BIGGEST obstacle at this point in our history.

Never in my 4 decades of political awareness have I seen a president piled on so deliberately and so shamelessly with lies, innuendos, and more lies delivered daily 24/7 by those who are supposed to be impartial conveyors of facts.

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Still NO backlash for GOP TalkingPointsTodd on ANY networks' political programs. (Original Post) blm Sep 2014 OP
The arrogance of the mass media thinking they can get away with this is what gets my goat as Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #1
too late for blanket orders ... it's out there. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #3
They have good reason to think they can get away with it. merrily Sep 2014 #4
The advertisers are in on the scam, they could give a fuck about boycotts. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #12
In a way, yes, but only because companies are so huge now. merrily Sep 2014 #15
Each brand matters... ljm2002 Sep 2014 #24
Lying pays off. merrily Sep 2014 #27
MTP is sponsored by corporate entities like Boeing, McDonnell Douglas and MADem Sep 2014 #39
Well since I haven't watched for years... ljm2002 Sep 2014 #40
A lot of those Sunday talkers have corporate sponsors. MADem Sep 2014 #41
I think Letterman has it covered. That clip will be viral. Todd is a laughingstock. nt Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #2
couldn't happen to a more slanted guy in sheep's clothing. merrily Sep 2014 #6
I thought he was a good guy, when I first saw him on TV. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #9
Saying "the Democrat Party" is significant. Not that it's his only jab, but merrily Sep 2014 #11
Back in 2010, it was Chuck Toad who said "both sides do it" when he was asked about the . . . Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #42
Yes but only to enlightened Letterman crowd . JohnQ Public is being fed shit lunasun Sep 2014 #32
Agreed... I'm disgusted with it jimlup Sep 2014 #5
Oh enough already! It's not his Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #7
Chuck Todd Job Description, as written contractually by Disney Inc. is, in whole: Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #10
After watching that clip on Letterman I'm convinced he Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #13
If Obama had quickly interjected and said "except for the 4 times I just mentioned Syria, Todd..." Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #16
You're right again. Maybe throw in a "You do know we're taping this right?...." nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #18
To which Chuckles would say "You know we have editing staff and legal control of your video"? Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #20
Or "Please proceed Mr Todd" nt elias49 Sep 2014 #19
The conversation would have moved to the gutter, just as Todd wanted, is why. Media meme would be freshwest Sep 2014 #22
Which is why he is telling the nation again tomorrow....the mass media failed to do it. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #25
Sworn foe is right... I hope to see that video, uncut here at DU. Thanks for the news. freshwest Sep 2014 #35
Not on it ! lunasun Sep 2014 #34
It's up to us on the Net and Social Media to do their job. I wrote NBC "news" and let them Cha Sep 2014 #8
Not only that, but Chuck "You-didn't-say-Syria-Mr President" Todd 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #14
His masters need some more ISIS fear mongering, the folks are all in favour of each individual Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #17
they circle the wagons and protect their own. spanone Sep 2014 #21
You can lie about the President in his presence malaise Sep 2014 #23
Obama should have called him out on it right away, but I think he was shocked by... EEO Sep 2014 #26
It's OK-- what the WH doesn't do, others will ailsagirl Sep 2014 #30
It was amusing. MY White House would deny him access and expose him for the fraud he is. EEO Sep 2014 #31
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #28
Recommended. I wonder too AuntPatsy Sep 2014 #29
NBC management has their heads The Wizard Sep 2014 #33
Agreed...it's really a crime against Americans. SoapBox Sep 2014 #36
Amazing. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #37
It's a misinformation campaign. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #38

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. The arrogance of the mass media thinking they can get away with this is what gets my goat as
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:31 PM
Sep 2014

much as anything.

David Letterman seems the only hope on this now, or will they put a blanket order out not to use his clips about Todd and his massive propaganda fail?

The smugness, the "fuck you, what ya gonna do about it?"

I think your OP deserves a million recommendations, every day from now until their next propaganda fail,which will be any time now.

"Doing a Todd" could be made synonymous with awareness of mass propaganda.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
4. They have good reason to think they can get away with it.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:34 PM
Sep 2014

Where are the adverse consequences? The deluge of complaints to their advertisers? The boycotts of the media and the advertisers?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
15. In a way, yes, but only because companies are so huge now.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:50 PM
Sep 2014

It would be hard to get a boycott going that would be big enough to hurt, say, General Mills, or whoever owns General Mills now. But companies that get hurt economically by boycotts do care. It's a matter of getting a large enough one going. Hard to do, unless you have your own TV show.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
24. Each brand matters...
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 09:28 PM
Sep 2014

...so even if we can't go after the whole lineup of products, we could target one. I don't know who advertises on MTP but we can find out who they are and boycott just those brands. Target them and let them know why. Make it nonpartisan, but do stress this is the President of the United States and this lowlife lackey posing as a newsman just LIED BALDFACED to his viewers about what they had just heard.

As someone on another thread mentioned, there is widespread gaslighting going on in this country. This is a blatant example and should be put out there as an example of the term. This is seriously messed up. The men (mostly) behind the scenes pulling the strings are going too far now. They think they can lie to us now and we won't notice.

Here's the video I want to see: put the clips up, with timestamps under them, showing the 4 times that President Obama mentioned Syria. Then show the clip where Chuck Todd says "you haven't mentioned Syria". Then do that grinding-a-record-backwards sound like the DJs do and replay the sequence, pausing between each clip with the time stamps blinking for emphasis. Then end it with flashing lights and wailing sirens... something indicating that Chuck Todd is BUSTED.

They have no business to lie like this. And we have no business to let them.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. Lying pays off.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 09:38 PM
Sep 2014

One study--maybe more, but I read about one--showed that people believe the first version of a story they hear or read. Not only that, but, if they do happen to catch a later correction, it only reinforces the first version. (IMO, government uses this technique, too, as with monthly figures, like unemployment. We get one set, then a corrected set. The corrected set is worse news than the first.)

And then there is the Goebbels Rove theorem: if you tell a big lie often enough, a lot of people will eventually believe it.

Sure, some will pay close enough attention to catch the lie, but you will still fool some of the people most of the time.

So, you almost can't lose by lying.

Unless you have a conscience.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
39. MTP is sponsored by corporate entities like Boeing, McDonnell Douglas and
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 04:21 PM
Sep 2014

Archer Daniels Midland. That's where the big money comes from.

There's no "boycotting" those guys. They're all tied up in the military-industrial-congressional complex. They get government contracts, they pay for programs that enable government mouthpieces that are sympathetic to their goals and purposes.

The way to "boycott" MTP is to turn the thing off and make a point of writing an insulting blog post/tweet/facebook comment about them. Put in some snark about Upchucking (Todd) 4 Syria to drive the point home.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
40. Well since I haven't watched for years...
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 08:55 PM
Sep 2014

...I wasn't aware of who the sponsors are. But you are right, if it's the big MIC contractors then boycotting them is not in the cards. And you are also right that ridicule is the way to go -- loud, long and often. So far it seems that only David Letterman has done so. And that is a damned shame.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
41. A lot of those Sunday talkers have corporate sponsors.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 10:08 PM
Sep 2014

If it's not military/industrial/congressional, it's Big Pharma or Big Agriculture, or one of the large energy companies--BP, Mobile, etc.

It's not even subtle, they've become an echo chamber for insiders. People who watch them want to nod along approvingly, not be challenged with a differing opinion in any way. It's made the format pretty useless.

I like the old school format, where a moderator did a short interview, followed by a little press conference with the guest where the guest actually met the press. Four of five reporters, not employed by the network, would ask the guest real questions not softballs. The guest would actually be given an opportunity to answer, and not be badgered. If the guest was stonewalling or bullshitting, it was obvious.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. couldn't happen to a more slanted guy in sheep's clothing.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:36 PM
Sep 2014

At least, if you watch FOX News, you know what you are in for. Todd pretends to be an objective journalist.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
9. I thought he was a good guy, when I first saw him on TV.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:38 PM
Sep 2014

But now I think it was because he resembles somebody I
am fond of. It certainly wasn't his reporting.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
42. Back in 2010, it was Chuck Toad who said "both sides do it" when he was asked about the . . .
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 10:57 PM
Sep 2014

. . . historic levels of filibusters, and the threats of filibusters, that the Republicans in the Senate were making at the time.

He claimed that the Democrats in the Senate did much of the same thing, yet they never did.


lunasun

(21,646 posts)
32. Yes but only to enlightened Letterman crowd . JohnQ Public is being fed shit
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 09:53 PM
Sep 2014

they should be mad or at least turn off the tv and it's adverts when distorted so blatantly it is a true insult if they only wake up or listen up

Network - Mad as Hell Scene - YouTube

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
5. Agreed... I'm disgusted with it
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:34 PM
Sep 2014

It's so far over the top that it sometimes slips into the comical circumstance but it isn't actually funny at all. It is deeply troubling.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,494 posts)
7. Oh enough already! It's not his
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:36 PM
Sep 2014

job to actually listen to the person he's interviewing while sitting not even 5 feet away from them.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
10. Chuck Todd Job Description, as written contractually by Disney Inc. is, in whole:
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:40 PM
Sep 2014

"Follow the script, do not deviate from the script, the script is all you need to know."

Each of the other mega media corporations has the identical simple contract for all their propaganda platforms.

Cha, Ching.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,494 posts)
13. After watching that clip on Letterman I'm convinced he
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:47 PM
Sep 2014

came up with that line while rehearsing in front of the mirror (in all likelihood shirtless and with nipple clamps....... anyway) and thought that would be his best gotcha moment. He's such a fucking tool that as you said couldn't deviate from the script. He's too lame to be quick on his feet and come up with an alternative.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
16. If Obama had quickly interjected and said "except for the 4 times I just mentioned Syria, Todd..."
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:51 PM
Sep 2014

I know it was on the tip of his tongue, why did he hold back, this was a gift opening?

Although the tone of voice would be everything.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
20. To which Chuckles would say "You know we have editing staff and legal control of your video"?
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:58 PM
Sep 2014

Well, Chuckles would not say it but the editing and legal staff would.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
22. The conversation would have moved to the gutter, just as Todd wanted, is why. Media meme would be
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 09:10 PM
Sep 2014
'Obama whines during MTP interview to escape admitting the truth!'

The online version will continue to be: 'Why didn't Obama fight back? He's a coward! Proof he's a corporate tool!'

Alternative media would say much the same: 'See? Obama is just a Fabian tool, he wants us to fail as a nation!'

With non-stop wash, rinse and repeat by all sides as Donald Segretti laughs.

With a generous serving of: 'Why doesn't he use his power to inform us? Let's bash Obama and the Democrats for this.'

And still, no one is talking about the substance of what Obama said, or the policy or the ideals, only the stir stirred by Todd.

'How paralysingly dull, boring and tedious.'

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
25. Which is why he is telling the nation again tomorrow....the mass media failed to do it.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 09:32 PM
Sep 2014

How the mass media must hate giving up their mass media airtime to their sworn foe.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
34. Not on it !
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 10:08 PM
Sep 2014

At least David Letterman did yes .I will miss Letterman next year
Letterman Needles Chuck Todd With New Show Segment: David Letterman has debuted a new segme... bit.ly/1xBHzoB #progressive #news

Cha

(296,775 posts)
8. It's up to us on the Net and Social Media to do their job. I wrote NBC "news" and let them
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:37 PM
Sep 2014

know what I thought of their mtp show with their new host Chuck Todd.. as did others..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5507739

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
14. Not only that, but Chuck "You-didn't-say-Syria-Mr President" Todd
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:48 PM
Sep 2014

was just now on NBC Nightly News & Brian Williams pontificating
about how "scared the American people now are of ISIS" <-- EEEK



I was surprised to see him showing his face so soon after his
mind-boggling idiocy on national TeeVee.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. His masters need some more ISIS fear mongering, the folks are all in favour of each individual
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:55 PM
Sep 2014

policy that Obama is implementing, opposed to combat troops, as Obama promised....while disapproving of Obama's general handling of ISIS by 30 points......kind of like Obamacare, the folks are all mixed up, so like the last mass media mass propaganda campaign that fell flat and they no longer report on at all.

malaise

(268,664 posts)
23. You can lie about the President in his presence
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 09:12 PM
Sep 2014

and not be called on it. In a sane world he would have been fired within hours.

EEO

(1,620 posts)
26. Obama should have called him out on it right away, but I think he was shocked by...
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 09:37 PM
Sep 2014

... the audacity and stupidity of Chuck Todd. The White House should be raising hell about it.

ailsagirl

(22,885 posts)
30. It's OK-- what the WH doesn't do, others will
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 09:41 PM
Sep 2014

You gotta love David Letterman for spreading the word!!

EEO

(1,620 posts)
31. It was amusing. MY White House would deny him access and expose him for the fraud he is.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 09:47 PM
Sep 2014

I don't play the game though. I am too sincere in my opinions and get myself in trouble before advancing too far in any particular position. I may have a lifelong problem with authority...

The Wizard

(12,532 posts)
33. NBC management has their heads
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 09:58 PM
Sep 2014

deeply buried in their asses. Gregory failed for doing the same crap Todd just did and the same shit Russert pulled at the end of his career.
Reciting Republican talking points has nothing to do with journalism and everything to do with propagandizing for a rabid radical extremist organization bent on enslaving the American working class.
Demographics indicate that NBC is on the wrong side of History.
How much money are the Kochs sending to Chuck Todd's secret off shore tax haven?

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