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Raven

(13,889 posts)
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:33 PM Sep 2014

Who here casts a paper ballot?

My town still does and we had a very long count tonight. Being a democratic republic is hard, hard work sometimes. But I met some really great people tonight counting and recounting those ballots. I guess the bottom line to me is that if folks take the time to vote, we can take the time to get the count right.

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Who here casts a paper ballot? (Original Post) Raven Sep 2014 OP
It is a paper ballot counted by scantron technology ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #1
Absentee... Oktober Sep 2014 #21
I do and I think we need to stick with paper, and not electronic, voting. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #2
Thank you for thanking me. I run into people in town who thank me too. Raven Sep 2014 #5
I usually vote absentee tabbycat31 Sep 2014 #3
I do in Hawaii but it goes into a machine when I'm finished so I thought it was recorded that way. Cha Sep 2014 #4
I do. But by mail. Aristus Sep 2014 #6
I'm your neighbor, so me too... Wounded Bear Sep 2014 #14
I do by mail from overseas davidpdx Sep 2014 #7
I use mail- in shenmue Sep 2014 #8
We will,,, by mail. KarenS Sep 2014 #9
Oregon has vote by mail. JEB Sep 2014 #10
Volunteer to oversee counting in Oregon... cascadiance Sep 2014 #25
Doug Jones. 8 months before Bush vs Gore he published his 'electronic voting is wonderful' Bluenorthwest Sep 2014 #29
Doug Jones was the technical advisor for the HBO documentary "Hacking Democracy"... cascadiance Sep 2014 #34
Mail ballot, on paper, optical scanned 2x for consistency. politicat Sep 2014 #11
I ask for a paper ballot. OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #12
I send mine by mail sakabatou Sep 2014 #13
San Luis Obispo County (California)--paper ballots emsimon33 Sep 2014 #15
vote by mail grasswire Sep 2014 #16
i've never cast anything but fizzgig Sep 2014 #17
I do it. mylye2222 Sep 2014 #18
Me. zappaman Sep 2014 #19
We have paper ballots--Orange County, NC-- mnhtnbb Sep 2014 #20
Paper ballot and scantron tech here in Detroit. Motown_Johnny Sep 2014 #22
Paper ballots, hand counted, in public, cameras rolling, nothing less. Scuba Sep 2014 #23
Touchscreen that prints a paper record while you watch Lee-Lee Sep 2014 #24
Snohomish County WA. Turbineguy Sep 2014 #26
Paper here, too. Delmette Sep 2014 #27
Optical Scan here... Earth_First Sep 2014 #28
Every ballot in Oregon is a paper ballot. Bluenorthwest Sep 2014 #30
We use paper ballots madokie Sep 2014 #31
I cast a paper ballot. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #32
Another Oregon voter here, so always vote by mail. Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #33
We use them in NE Wisconsin. Greybnk48 Sep 2014 #35
The whole state of WI requires paper, thanks to Jim Doyle (D) PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #36
State law in WI PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #37

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
1. It is a paper ballot counted by scantron technology
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:35 PM
Sep 2014

Here in RI, we had our results in about 90 minutes.

Obviously if there needs to be a recount, the ballots are there to be done by hand.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. I do and I think we need to stick with paper, and not electronic, voting.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:35 PM
Sep 2014

Thanks for your service.

Raven

(13,889 posts)
5. Thank you for thanking me. I run into people in town who thank me too.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:39 PM
Sep 2014

Somehow, I think they know something I don't know (or haven't learned yet) about being a Selectman.

Cha

(297,133 posts)
4. I do in Hawaii but it goes into a machine when I'm finished so I thought it was recorded that way.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:39 PM
Sep 2014

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
6. I do. But by mail.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:42 PM
Sep 2014

I miss voting at the polls. I miss the excitement; the shared cultural experience. Election Night 2008 was one of the most memorable nights of my life. I'll never forget the electricity in the air as I lined up (a long, long line...) at the local public library to cast my ballot.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
10. Oregon has vote by mail.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:59 PM
Sep 2014

Paper with the little oval colored in, so I imagine it is machine counted.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
25. Volunteer to oversee counting in Oregon...
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 07:25 AM
Sep 2014

Our local party PCP's have been asked to participate in this. If we have people in every county/area where they are being counted, then we can ensure that it's being done right.

Ensure that cameras in offices that are counting ballots should be placed properly. Study this story on how there was some big problems in Clackamas county here in Oregon last election in the vote counting there when Republican County Clerk mismanaged the process heavily and cameras weren't placed properly to record ballot tampering that was going on. Those places around the country that want to move to vote by mail should look at this case as an area to really monitor heavily, and make sure are done properly. I remember interviewing voting expert Doug Jones some years back when visiting Iowa City, and he noted the counting process for places like Oregon as being a big area of concern for him that needs better scrutiny.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2012/11/state_ballot_tampering_investi.html

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
29. Doug Jones. 8 months before Bush vs Gore he published his 'electronic voting is wonderful'
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 09:34 AM
Sep 2014

piece which explained why we had to vote on the internet using private software and forget paper. After that I don't put much stock in his views. He seems to be a salesperson for the software makers.
All votes get counted. All counts require security. But Jones wants automated counting of 'e votes' by software that we just 'trust'. I do not agree with Jones.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
34. Doug Jones was the technical advisor for the HBO documentary "Hacking Democracy"...
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:52 AM
Sep 2014

... which was the foremost film looking in to how the 2000 election was hacked, and asking the important questions that this thread is asking too...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808532/?ref_=nm_flmg_msc_1

I also knew Doug as a professor at University of Iowa when I got my comp sci degree there too.

Could you point to links that says how he's a "salesmen" for these people, which he in effect went after in this film and many of his efforts since then?

Prior to the 2000 election, I don't think it was on too many people's radar how much electronic voting could be hacked. Probably hard to find too many people questioning it then.

Jones not only looks at just Electronic Voting, but he's studied how all systems of voting were hacked or manipulated. I remember him telling me that even poll watchers when they used to have the pull down arms could know the sounds that the machine made with different votes and could tell when voters voted one way or the other as a way of telling people behind the scenes who voted for who.

He was concerned as we all should be, that there are also vulnerabilities in mail in voting too, when the vote counting and tallying happens behinds closed doors if not administered properly, and was concerned that if we had a Republican elected as Secretary of State, like Knute Buehler was a threat to do the last election, that that oversight might be completely mismanaged. As I noted in the article here, even locally in Clackamas County it was mismanaged by a Republican County Clerk. I wonder how much worse the situation in Clackamas might have been had we had a Republican secretary of state instead.

I think he does like the idea of vote by mail, but he's wanting us to make sure that it is also done properly too. I respect Doug a lot for his attention to detail in all areas, not just the hackability of electronic voting machines, which is also a big concern for him.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
11. Mail ballot, on paper, optical scanned 2x for consistency.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 12:00 AM
Sep 2014

If the numbers don't match, we hand count, but usually the numbers match.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
12. I ask for a paper ballot.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 12:02 AM
Sep 2014

Considering the reaction of the volunteers, I'm probably the only one who does.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
17. i've never cast anything but
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 02:04 AM
Sep 2014

it's always been optical scan ballots, but i've never used a touchscreen and never will.

colorado sends everyone a mail-in ballot and there are certified drop offs all over the place. if you want to vote in person, you give them the mail-in one and go inside to cast your vote.

voting is a big deal in my family. most even-numbered years, we go vote early at the county building and go out for lunch.

colorado makes it ridiculously easy to vote and it dismays me that others are not afforded the same right

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
18. I do it.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 02:14 AM
Sep 2014

In France there had been electronic experimental poll stations in the past. But t hasnt still be put all around the country.
First reason is that we are much smaller than US.
And second one is that citizens are majoriry not partisan of ir, for they are too afraid of fraud risks.
In 2007 then Interior minister Sarkozy and presidential canfidate had been suspected to have tried to put zlectronic vote all over France. ....by asking Diebold to equip us. But the Constitutonal Council , thanks God stopped it.

mnhtnbb

(31,382 posts)
20. We have paper ballots--Orange County, NC--
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:51 AM
Sep 2014

Use a special pen to fill in the blank and the ballots are machine counted.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
22. Paper ballot and scantron tech here in Detroit.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 06:10 AM
Sep 2014

I think it is among the best ways to go, but would also be happy with voting by mail. It seems that mail in ballots increase participation and I am all for that.


 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
24. Touchscreen that prints a paper record while you watch
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 06:25 AM
Sep 2014

Not as good as I would like but at least you can see that an accurate paper trail is being generated.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
28. Optical Scan here...
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 07:58 AM
Sep 2014

...no paper recipet of ballot cast.

I do applaud you and the many, many volunteers who sacrifice their schedules to provide the necessary service of poll site volunteerism.

Thank you!

madokie

(51,076 posts)
31. We use paper ballots
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 09:41 AM
Sep 2014

machine counted though and it cost so much to do a recount that its nigh onto impossible to get done

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
37. State law in WI
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 02:14 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-140522194.html

LAW ENSURES VOTING PAPER TRAIL MACHINES MUST GENERATE BALLOT.(FRONT)

The Capital Times
The Capital Times
January 4, 2006 | Weier, Anita | Copyright



Gov. Jim Doyle signed into law today a bill that will require that touch screen voting machines produce a verifiable paper ballot.

The bill requires that if a municipality uses an electronic voting system that consists of a voting machine, the machine must generate a complete paper ballot showing all votes cast by each elector that is visually verifiable by the elector before he or she leaves the machine.

"This is important for democracy. Voters have to be able to trust that their votes are counted," Mike McCabe, executive director of the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, said after the bill signing.

The bill, AB 627, also will ensure that reliable recounts can be done, added McCabe, whose organization lobbied for its enactment. …
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