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My town still does and we had a very long count tonight. Being a democratic republic is hard, hard work sometimes. But I met some really great people tonight counting and recounting those ballots. I guess the bottom line to me is that if folks take the time to vote, we can take the time to get the count right.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Here in RI, we had our results in about 90 minutes.
Obviously if there needs to be a recount, the ballots are there to be done by hand.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Thanks for your service.
Raven
(13,889 posts)Somehow, I think they know something I don't know (or haven't learned yet) about being a Selectman.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)But I'm on the road for months on end.
Cha
(297,133 posts)Aristus
(66,316 posts)I miss voting at the polls. I miss the excitement; the shared cultural experience. Election Night 2008 was one of the most memorable nights of my life. I'll never forget the electricity in the air as I lined up (a long, long line...) at the local public library to cast my ballot.
Wounded Bear
(58,642 posts)Though I don't miss the polls.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I should be getting my ballot in the next few weeks.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)KarenS
(4,073 posts)Participating in the process feels good!!
And good for you guys!
JEB
(4,748 posts)Paper with the little oval colored in, so I imagine it is machine counted.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Our local party PCP's have been asked to participate in this. If we have people in every county/area where they are being counted, then we can ensure that it's being done right.
Ensure that cameras in offices that are counting ballots should be placed properly. Study this story on how there was some big problems in Clackamas county here in Oregon last election in the vote counting there when Republican County Clerk mismanaged the process heavily and cameras weren't placed properly to record ballot tampering that was going on. Those places around the country that want to move to vote by mail should look at this case as an area to really monitor heavily, and make sure are done properly. I remember interviewing voting expert Doug Jones some years back when visiting Iowa City, and he noted the counting process for places like Oregon as being a big area of concern for him that needs better scrutiny.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2012/11/state_ballot_tampering_investi.html
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)piece which explained why we had to vote on the internet using private software and forget paper. After that I don't put much stock in his views. He seems to be a salesperson for the software makers.
All votes get counted. All counts require security. But Jones wants automated counting of 'e votes' by software that we just 'trust'. I do not agree with Jones.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... which was the foremost film looking in to how the 2000 election was hacked, and asking the important questions that this thread is asking too...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808532/?ref_=nm_flmg_msc_1
I also knew Doug as a professor at University of Iowa when I got my comp sci degree there too.
Could you point to links that says how he's a "salesmen" for these people, which he in effect went after in this film and many of his efforts since then?
Prior to the 2000 election, I don't think it was on too many people's radar how much electronic voting could be hacked. Probably hard to find too many people questioning it then.
Jones not only looks at just Electronic Voting, but he's studied how all systems of voting were hacked or manipulated. I remember him telling me that even poll watchers when they used to have the pull down arms could know the sounds that the machine made with different votes and could tell when voters voted one way or the other as a way of telling people behind the scenes who voted for who.
He was concerned as we all should be, that there are also vulnerabilities in mail in voting too, when the vote counting and tallying happens behinds closed doors if not administered properly, and was concerned that if we had a Republican elected as Secretary of State, like Knute Buehler was a threat to do the last election, that that oversight might be completely mismanaged. As I noted in the article here, even locally in Clackamas County it was mismanaged by a Republican County Clerk. I wonder how much worse the situation in Clackamas might have been had we had a Republican secretary of state instead.
I think he does like the idea of vote by mail, but he's wanting us to make sure that it is also done properly too. I respect Doug a lot for his attention to detail in all areas, not just the hackability of electronic voting machines, which is also a big concern for him.
politicat
(9,808 posts)If the numbers don't match, we hand count, but usually the numbers match.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Considering the reaction of the volunteers, I'm probably the only one who does.
sakabatou
(42,146 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Oregon
fizzgig
(24,146 posts)it's always been optical scan ballots, but i've never used a touchscreen and never will.
colorado sends everyone a mail-in ballot and there are certified drop offs all over the place. if you want to vote in person, you give them the mail-in one and go inside to cast your vote.
voting is a big deal in my family. most even-numbered years, we go vote early at the county building and go out for lunch.
colorado makes it ridiculously easy to vote and it dismays me that others are not afforded the same right
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)In France there had been electronic experimental poll stations in the past. But t hasnt still be put all around the country.
First reason is that we are much smaller than US.
And second one is that citizens are majoriry not partisan of ir, for they are too afraid of fraud risks.
In 2007 then Interior minister Sarkozy and presidential canfidate had been suspected to have tried to put zlectronic vote all over France. ....by asking Diebold to equip us. But the Constitutonal Council , thanks God stopped it.
Paper ballots Los Angeles.
mnhtnbb
(31,382 posts)Use a special pen to fill in the blank and the ballots are machine counted.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I think it is among the best ways to go, but would also be happy with voting by mail. It seems that mail in ballots increase participation and I am all for that.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Not as good as I would like but at least you can see that an accurate paper trail is being generated.
Turbineguy
(37,317 posts)after all the "irregularities" in 2000 electronic voting ended.
Delmette
(522 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)...no paper recipet of ballot cast.
I do applaud you and the many, many volunteers who sacrifice their schedules to provide the necessary service of poll site volunteerism.
Thank you!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
madokie
(51,076 posts)machine counted though and it cost so much to do a recount that its nigh onto impossible to get done
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)and asparagus, too.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)And it certainly makes me feel a bit better.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)LAW ENSURES VOTING PAPER TRAIL MACHINES MUST GENERATE BALLOT.(FRONT)
The Capital Times
The Capital Times
January 4, 2006 | Weier, Anita | Copyright
Gov. Jim Doyle signed into law today a bill that will require that touch screen voting machines produce a verifiable paper ballot.
The bill requires that if a municipality uses an electronic voting system that consists of a voting machine, the machine must generate a complete paper ballot showing all votes cast by each elector that is visually verifiable by the elector before he or she leaves the machine.
"This is important for democracy. Voters have to be able to trust that their votes are counted," Mike McCabe, executive director of the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, said after the bill signing.
The bill, AB 627, also will ensure that reliable recounts can be done, added McCabe, whose organization lobbied for its enactment.