Amnesty International implicates Ukrainian volunteer fascist unit in War Crimes.

[another_liberal]

According to an Amnesty International report, at least one of Kiev's volunteer battalions comprised of volunteers from fascistic political organizations has been committing war crimes, "including abductions, executions and extortion." Some of the people we are currently supporting with our military aid are, it would seem, not very nice at all.

Azov battalion soldiers take an oath of allegiance to Ukraine in Kiev's Sophia Square before being sent to the Donbass region.

Crimes of Ukrainian Aidar battalion confirmed in Amnesty Int’l report

An Amnesty International report has confirmed that war crimes including abductions, executions and extortion were committed by the Ukrainian Aidar battalion in Lugansk region, eastern Ukraine, an official from Russia’s Foreign Ministry says.

“The report confirms large-scale crimes, including war [crimes] made routinely and under the aegis of Ukrainian law enforcement agencies, by the leaders and members of the Aidar battalion,” said Konstantin Dolgov, the Foreign Ministry’s commissioner for human rights. “Amnesty International points only to some of these [crimes] – abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, including demanding ransom for abducted Ukrainians, and simple robbery from the civilian population,” Dolgov said.

He added that Russian authorities have repeatedly called on international organizations , including Amnesty International, to pay more attention to large-scale human rights violations during Kiev’s so-called “anti-terrorist operation” in eastern Ukraine. “We hope that the report on Aidar’s [battalion] crimes will attract more attempts in these sphere because the atrocities of Aidar members is only a part of sinister crimes committed by the punishers,” he said, “All these crimes, including the [May 2] bloodshed in Odessa should be objectively investigated under effective international control and the culprits should be brought to justice.”

(snip)

In its report, released Sept. 8 and titled, “Ukraine: abuses and war crimes by the Aidar volunteer battalion in the north Lugansk region,” Amnesty International said: “Members of the Aidar territorial defense battalion, operating in the north Luhansk [Lugansk] region, have been involved in widespread abuses, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, and possible executions.” According to Amnesty, “members of the Aidar battalion act with virtually no oversight or control, and local police are either unwilling or unable to address the abuses.”

(snip)

Read more, and see videos documenting fascist volunteer actions, at: http://rt.com/news/186576-ukraine-battalion-war-crimes/

[HERVEPA]

1. RT again I see.

[another_liberal]

5. Not exactly, HERV . . .

The charges come from Amnesty International, Russia Today is only reporting on their release to the public.

[Fred Sanders]

21. Apparetly RT reporting on what someone else alledges is even considered propaganda by some.

Jumping to pre set notions and beliefs without addressing the report, I see.

[another_liberal]

29. Some likely didn't even bother to read the OP . . .

What does the substance matter when all one wants to do is indulge in some RT-bashing?

[HERVEPA]

26. It's RT commenting on an AI Report. Not the same as posing from AI report.

Do less suspect sources than RT comment on this?

[another_liberal]

31. Don't care for summaries . . .

Here is a link to the full text:

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/EUR50/040/2014/en

[HERVEPA]

37. Thanks. Maybe post where AI takes Russia to task also? (probably won't find this in RT)

http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/ukraine-mounting-evidence-war-crimes-and-russian-involvement-2014-09-07

[AgingAmerican]

47. AI implicated Russia in war crimes

...the day before doing the same to Ukrainian militias.

Crickets from the pro RT crowd.

[malaise]

42. Why bother

[derby378]

34. Don't Feed the Bears

[another_liberal]

38. Good stuff that is . . .

Thanks, derby.

[grahamhgreen]

57. Ad Hominem. FAIL.

[Dems to Win]

2. k&r

[another_liberal]

4. Thank you . . .

Thank you very much.

[Fred Sanders]

3. The Ukraine government and army ALLOWS this? What do Kiev regime supporters have to say about this?

Is this also just RT propaganda, because the pictures sure look real and Amnesty is usually fairly reliable....these fascists inducted into the
army and accused of war crimes may be masked but the fact of Kiev loving them fascists has been unmasked.

Kiev is not fascist, they are just number 1 with fascists.

Never again means never again for everyone, everywhere.

[another_liberal]

7. I will never understand why Kiev accepted these units into its army.

What were they thinking would happen?

[meMeMEEEE]

39. KYIv regime supporters would probably recommend you to read the actual article

at least up to the 'Amnesty Intl: Both sides of Ukrainian conflict committed war crimes' bit and question the grounds for that 'number 1 with fascists' assertion you made

They might also be puzzled by the fact that, based on the article, the war crimes have been committed by the Aidar battalion (that's the one that is not the Azov battalion), while the alleged Nazi symbols are displayed by the Azov battalion (that's the one that is not the Aidar battalion). So, as it turns out the 'Nazi' battalion is not actually the one that is committing the war crimes and hence really has nothing to do with the subject matter of the article

But then they would remember that RT is just a Kremlin-funded propaganda operation and feel sorry for the critical-thinking-challenged people that fall for it

BTW, both Aidar and Azov are volunteer units that do not report to Ukrainian Army

[Fred Sanders]

60. Nazi symbols on any battalion by any name is the problem, ya see?

[meMeMEEEE]

87. I agree with that

[pinto]

6. Some creative cutting and pasting in this report, including speculation from the Russian F. Ministry

For a clearer, broader picture of the situation here's the original Amnesty International report, as written by AI.
An ugly picture all around.

-snip-

Members of the Aidar territorial defence battalion, operating in the north Luhansk region, have been involved in widespread abuses, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, and possible executions.

The Aidar battalion is one of over thirty so-called volunteer battalions to have emerged in the wake of the conflict, which have been loosely integrated into Ukrainian security structures as they seek to retake separatist held areas.

In the course of a two-week research mission to the region, an Amnesty International researcher interviewed dozens of victims and witnesses of the abuses, as well as local officials, army commanders and police officers in the area and representatives of the Aidar battalion.

Our findings indicate that, while formally operating under the command of the Ukrainian security forces combined headquarters in the region members of the Aidar battalion act with virtually no oversight or control, and local police are either unwilling or unable to address the abuses.

Some of the abuses committed by members of the Aidar battalion amount to war crimes, for which both the perpetrators and, possibly, the commanders would bear responsibility under national and international law.

Part of the region where the Aidar battalion currently operates – such as the conurbation of Severodonetsk, Lysychansk and Rubizhne and the town of Shchastya - was under the control of the separatist forces of the so-called Lugansk People’s Republic (LNR) from mid-May to late July. During this time, separatist forces are reported to have committed a wide range of abuses against civilians, including abduction, theft and murder. Amnesty International has documented such abuses by separatist armed groups in other regions.

-snip-

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/EUR50/040/2014/en/bb06b5cb-dcb4-4f69-bb3e-c800987676cc/eur500402014en.html

[another_liberal]

10. That changes nothing . . .

Amnesty International says the fascist battalions have committed war crimes. I for one believe what Amnesty International says is very likely true.

I personally find it hard to believe anyone would actually try to excuse such crimes, for whatever reasons.

[LanternWaste]

11. Much as anyone would actually try to excuse Russia's legislated anti-gay laws... for whatever reason

" personally find it hard to believe anyone would actually try to excuse such crimes, for whatever reasons..."

Much as anyone would actually try to excuse Russia's legislated anti-gay laws... for whatever reasons?


(six of one half a dozen of the other... this is where you insert another distinction without a difference, most likely from the Russian Times again)

[another_liberal]

17. Who is excusing any anti-gay laws?

Certainly not I.

[The Magistrate]

24. You Are, Sir, Quite Certainly

"It is a personal hatred of Russia on the part of some . . .

Russian laws have insulted their life style, so they demand we fight a third World War to assuage their wounded pride.

I, for one, am not ready to get on that particular bandwagon.
A. L."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014881926#post185

A flat statement that laws establishing persecution of gay people are no more than 'insult to their life-style', and that gay people are pressing for WWIII to 'assuage their wounded pride'....

[another_liberal]

27. So you intend to continue posting that quote (and your suggestion of its meaning) . . .

As long as there is strength in your fingers to type, right?

That is the very definition of harassment. Is it not?

[The Magistrate]

30. I Can Understand Your Reluctance To Face The Consequences Of Your Comment, Sir

But that is your problem, not mine.

When someone claims he is certainly not defending anti-gay laws, pointing out and displaying him engaged in exactly that is a proper corrective.

You thought you could get some mileage out of dismissing the concerns of gay people, and work in a slander of gays as war-mongers and even a bit of gay-baiting by suggesting people who think Russia should be resisted in Ukraine are perhaps actually ( horror of horrors ) maybe really truly homosexuals themselves....

You did it, and you are being called on it.

[another_liberal]

32. That is your opinion . . .

Last edited Wed Sep 10, 2014, 06:55 PM - Edit history (1)

I know how you feel.

[The Magistrate]

33. It Is Not An Opinion, Sir, But A Fact

You wrote words, and they mean things, and that is a fact....

[snooper2]

46. repeating for the benefit of others-

FYI

[Fred Sanders]

61. You should only point out and not engage with hominem attacks.

[The Magistrate]

62. Ah, The Ritual Chant Of 'Ad Hominem', Sir

It is not, by any stretch, an ad hominem to use the words of a witness to impeach the worth of his subsequent statements.

If, say, someone makes a claim that Social Security will be bankrupt in ten years, it is no ad hominem to point out he also said five years ago that inflation would be at ten percent this year, when in fact it is at two percent. It is properly showing that the person's judgement on such subjects is very poor, and his analysis of what things mean and how they are best understood can be, and put bluntly ought to be, disregarded.

When someone demonstrates such poor judgement of a political situation as to deliver himself of this:

"It is a personal hatred of Russia on the part of some . . .

Russian laws have insulted their life style, so they demand we fight a third World War to assuage their wounded pride.

I, for one, am not ready to get on that particular bandwagon.
A. L."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014881926#post185

Everything he says which is in any degree the product of his own judgement is called into question.

When, after making this flat statement that laws establishing persecution of gay people are no more than 'insult to their life-style', and that gay people are pressing for WWIII to 'assuage their wounded pride', he tries to claim that he is disgusted by Russia's laws persecuting gays, and that he certainly does not defend them, as you can see him attempting nearby in several posts, he calls into question not only his judgement but his integrity and his honesty.

Engaging in ritual chants of ad hominem will not help; even a quick kyrie eleison would be of little avail, though it might be a touch more appropriate to the situation....

[Fred Sanders]

63. Attacking everything related to Ukraine/Russia you disagree with by erecting the separate issue of

gay rights is actually more a straw man fallacy, though one can easily use both at the same time.

[The Magistrate]

65. The Man Said What He Said, Sir, And In Saying It, Forfeited Any Expectation Of Being Taken Seriously

He considers that a serious analysis. He has defended it elsewhere as a useful contribution to the discussion. He has tried to deny those actually are his sentiments, though he did not try that until after the thing became widely known here.

Poor judgement, serious lacks of integrity and honesty.

Things to bear in mind when reading his comments expressing his opinions, and his interpretation of the significance of events.

[another_liberal]

67. True . . .

So true.

[SidDithers]

51. +1...nt

Sid

[mythology]

50. Well that post is rather awkward for you

And it does go to your trustworthiness as a source of information. As does not linking the Amnesty International article which is far less one sided than Russia Today or you.

[another_liberal]

69. I posted what I posted . . .

Without any of Magi's additions. As I said in a much earlier response to Magi himself concerning the text of mine he continually reposts:

If what I said in that reply embarrassed anyone, and that embarrassment makes them reconsider their support for a war between our country and the Russian Federation, then I will accept chat board abuse as of no consequence in exchange.

I intend to do and say what I can to oppose those forces driving my country toward an armed conflict with another World power, especially one as dangerous as Russia. In comparison to that, nothing really matters very much, now does it?

[The Magistrate]

71. That You Think That Is A Defense, Sir, Is Laughable

You said this:

"It is a personal hatred of Russia on the part of some . . .

Russian laws have insulted their life style, so they demand we fight a third World War to assuage their wounded pride.

I, for one, am not ready to get on that particular bandwagon.
A. L."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014881926#post185

A flat statement that laws establishing persecution of gay people are no more than 'insult to their life-style', and that gay people are pressing for WWIII to 'assuage their wounded pride'....

In this present iteration of your defense, you are simply making more clear you consider the exaggerated umbrage umbrage of gay people a major component of 'the forces driving my country to armed conflict'. One hardly knows whether to laugh or cry at the display you make of yourself with this.

[another_liberal]

72. So long, Magi . . .

. . .

[The Magistrate]

73. Where Are You Going, Sir?

"I'll be here till Friday. Be sure and try the veal! And tip your waiter...."

[zappaman]

54. Wow.

Thanks for posting that!
Eye opening!

[another_liberal]

70. What do you think it means?

Just curious?

[Cha]

88. "Certainly not I." Yeah right.. certainly not AL. Who him? Mr innocent? Thank you, Magistrate

for not letting him get away with that shite.

"It is a personal hatred of Russia on the part of some . . .

Russian laws have insulted their life style, so they demand we fight a third World War to assuage their wounded pride.

I, for one, am not ready to get on that particular bandwagon.
A. L."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014881926#post185

"Russian laws have insulted their life style, so they demand we fight a third World War to assuage their wounded pride."

What a bunch of fucking Putin Bullshit!

[pinto]

12. What it changes is the big picture. Russian Foreign Ministry cherry picked and extrapolated from AI.

As did you in the OP's headline, imo.

I, too, trust AI's reports on the situation. They have a solid track record. That includes their reports of war crimes committed by the separatists in eastern Ukraine.

I don't trust the Russian Foreign Ministry for any semblance of objectivity.

[The Magistrate]

25. I Await His Citing This Comment From Amnesty International, Sir

“Our evidence shows that Russia is fuelling the conflict, both through direct interference and by supporting the separatists in the East. Russia must stop the steady flow of weapons and other support to an insurgent force heavily implicated in gross human rights violations.”

“These satellite images, coupled with reports of Russian troops captured inside Ukraine and eyewitness accounts of Russian troops and military vehicles rolling across the border leave no doubt that this is now an international armed conflict,” said Shetty ( Amnesty International Secretary General )"

http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/ukraine-mounting-evidence-war-crimes-and-russian-involvement-2014-09-07

[edhopper]

8. Amnesty International huh?

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/ukraine-mounting-evidence-war-crimes-and-russian-involvement-2014-09-05

http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/ukraine-mounting-evidence-war-crimes-and-russian-involvement-2014-09-07

http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/separatist-forces-ukraine-threaten-mass-executions-2014-08-22

“Our evidence shows that Russia is fuelling the conflict, both through direct interference and by supporting the separatists in the East. Russia must stop the steady flow of weapons and other support to an insurgent force heavily implicated in gross human rights violations.”

[another_liberal]

13. Did they accuse Russia of War Crimes?

I don't see it there.

The Separatists are clearly not acting like angels either, but look who is attacking them:

[edhopper]

41. Please

That is pathetic, even for you.

[The Magistrate]

59. In Fact, Sir, They Have, And For Some While....

http://www.amnesty.org/es/library/asset/EUR50/023/2014/en/e13e9f87-f185-4fc9-91df-c39a320f70d2/eur500232014en.pdf

HARASSMENT AND VIOLENCE AGAINST CRIMEAN
TATARS BY STATE AND NON-STATE ACTORS

On 3 March, 39-year old Reshat Ametov, a Crimean Tatar, held a one-man protest in
front of the Crimean Council of Ministers building in the region’s capital, Simferopol,
which was being guarded by ‘self-defence’ forces. Video footage shows him being led
away by three men from the ‘self-defence’ forces. His family claim that when they
reported him as missing, there was no subsequent contact from the authorities. His body
was found almost two weeks later, showing signs of torture. A criminal case has been
opened, but no progress in the investigation has been reported.

Amnesty International has spoken with a member of the Crimean Mejlis who was also
beaten by ‘self-defence’ forces in central Simferopol on 6 May. Abduraman Egiz was
approached by three or four men and asked to show them his identity documents and
the content of his car. When he refused, the men called for reinforcement. Some 15 or
20 other ‘self-defence’ men arrived within minutes. They asked Abduraman Egiz again to
show his documents. When he refused again, stating that he would only deal with the
police, they handcuffed him and started to beat him.

[edhopper]

66. I take this is a response to

"not another liberal"
And not to me.

Agreed. It is a laughable to suggest Russia has no culpability.

[The Magistrate]

68. Just Backing You Up With a Link, Sir

I have pretty much said all I have to say to that fella....

[edhopper]

74. I appreciate the effort

Thanks

[The Magistrate]

75. The O.P. Is Beyond Redemption, Sir, But Establishing a Record Is Worthwhile

And no fair-minded person doubts there has been considerable bad behavior all around, to a degree that tunnel-vision focus on one party amounts to being false to fact.

The only element which is one-sided is the behavior of Russia in Ukraine: the fact of Russian soldiers and equipment entering Ukraine to wage war against its government, the procuring by Russia through covert operatives of a secessionist insurrection in the east of Ukraine, and the seizure of territory from a sovereign state by Russia, namely the seizure of Crimea from Ukraine. For these things, there is no equivalent on the other side.

[edhopper]

79. Very true

In every sense, Russia started it, and continues to be the main instigator.

[Bluenorthwest]

9. More interesting items, these direct from Amnesty International's own website....

Russia’s anti-gay ‘propaganda law’ assault on freedom of expression.
"Russia’s Parliament has backed a bill which outlaws the “propaganda of homosexuality among minors” in a move that will restrict fundamental human rights and is in breach of the country’s international obligations to protect lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTI) people from discrimination, Amnesty International said today.
This law is an attack on the right to freedom of expression,” said David Diaz-Jogeix, Europe and Central Asia Programme Deputy Director at Amnesty International.

There is no legal definition in the Russian law of what constitutes ‘propaganda of homosexuality’ and the law could be interpreted very loosely. They are going to punish people for something which is perfectly legitimate – expressing themselves, being themselves.

“This law further stigmatizes and alienates LGBTI people, including children, and will deprive them of information that could be crucial to their health,” said Diaz-Jogeix.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/russia-anti-gay-propaganda-law-assault-on-freedom-expression-2013-01-25

Russia: St. Petersburg urged to halt draconian anti-gay bill

Amnesty International today urged authorities in Russia’s second largest city not to enact a homophobic bill, saying it would threaten freedom of expression and fuel discrimination against the city’s lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTI) community.

The bill, which St. Petersburg’s city assembly passed nearly unanimously on the first of three readings on Wednesday, effectively bans public events by LGBTI people and organizations under the pretext of protecting minors.

If enacted, the law would allow authorities to impose fines of up to the equivalent of US$1,600 for “public actions aimed at propaganda of sodomy, lesbianism, bisexuality, and transgenderism among minors.”

“This bill is a thinly veiled attempt to legalize discrimination against lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgender people in Russia’s second-biggest city,” said Nicola Duckworth, Amnesty International’s Europe and Central Asia Programme Director.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/news-item/russia-st-petersburg-urged-to-halt-draconian-anti-gay-bill

[another_liberal]

15. Russia's homophobic laws and gay-bashing are disgusting . . .

But do you really think our financing and supporting a Ukrainian proxy war (fought partially by fascist militias) against an ethnic Russian population is a good way to influence them toward changing their attitudes?

Hardly seems likely to meet with success.

[The Magistrate]

19. Here Is How Disgusting You Think They Are, Sir

"It is a personal hatred of Russia on the part of some . . .

Russian laws have insulted their life style, so they demand we fight a third World War to assuage their wounded pride.

I, for one, am not ready to get on that particular bandwagon.
A. L."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014881926#post185

A flat statement that laws establishing persecution of gay people are no more than 'insult to their life-style', and that gay people are pressing for WWIII to 'assuage their wounded pride'....

[another_liberal]

23. Your own interrpretation . . .

Your inferred meaning, Magi, not mine.

[The Magistrate]

28. Try It On Someone Who Does Not Speak English, Sir

And by definition, people who can read it do, and are perfectly capable of taking the plain meaning of what you wrote.

[another_liberal]

35. Rave on then, Magi, as you clearly feel you must . . .

You are digging when already in a hole, but rave on by all means.

[The Magistrate]

36. Not Much Of a Buddy Holly Fan, Are You, Fella....

Not much of an adept at the forensic arts, either....

[pampango]

40. "Russian laws have insulted their (gay) life style, so they demand we fight a third World War to

assuage their wounded pride."

That does not leave much to personal interpretation.

[another_liberal]

76. Your parenthesis, your addition . . .

And your interpretation.

Why don't you ask me what I meant?

[The Magistrate]

77. Your Flailings Are Getting Pathetic, Sir

Everyone conversant with the English language knows what this means:

"It is a personal hatred of Russia on the part of some . . .

Russian laws have insulted their life style, so they demand we fight a third World War to assuage their wounded pride.

I, for one, am not ready to get on that particular bandwagon.
A. L."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014881926#post185

It is a flat statement that laws establishing persecution of gay people are no more than 'insult to their life-style', and that gay people are pressing for WWIII to 'assuage their wounded pride'....

[Bluenorthwest]

81. As the Magistrate so correctly told you, we can all read English and what you wrote was

clear as a bell. Hugely bigoted. You should just stand up and own your words. As it is, the Magistrate has owned you, and for that I am very glad. The Magistrate and I have not always gotten along, but now I am grateful for the righteous, complete and total annihilation of your posturing bigotry here on DU. Soon if there is justice bigots like you will not be permitted to speak such hostile filth about others at all, in the meantime I'm happy to see that DU's best posters are not going to stand aside and let this shit go uncontested.

[another_liberal]

82. Are you calling me a"bigot"?

On what grounds? Because I oppose anyone who wants, for whatever misguided reasons, to take our country into war with another World power? That seems like odd grounds for charges of "bigotry."

Explain yourself.

[The Magistrate]

83. Your Own Words Make The Case Clear, Sir

Everyone conversant with the English language knows what this means:

"It is a personal hatred of Russia on the part of some . . .

Russian laws have insulted their life style, so they demand we fight a third World War to assuage their wounded pride.

I, for one, am not ready to get on that particular bandwagon.
A. L."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014881926#post185

It is a flat statement that laws establishing persecution of gay people are no more than 'insult to their life-style', and that gay people are pressing for WWIII to 'assuage their wounded pride'....

[zappaman]

86. I love when people try to weasel out of their own words.

[zappaman]

85. That's not why you are being called a "bigot"

And you know it.

[another_liberal]

89. Please explain . . .

I'm all ears.

[The Magistrate]

90. Your Own Words Provide The Explaination, Sir

Everyone conversant with the English language knows what this means:

"It is a personal hatred of Russia on the part of some . . .

Russian laws have insulted their life style, so they demand we fight a third World War to assuage their wounded pride.

I, for one, am not ready to get on that particular bandwagon.
A. L."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014881926#post185

It is a flat statement that laws establishing persecution of gay people are no more than 'insult to their life-style', and that gay people are pressing for WWIII to 'assuage their wounded pride'....

[pinto]

45. Here's my "gay lifestyle" - Get up, make a cup, sit outside for a bit, a walk and then demand WWIII.

[greatauntoftriplets]

64. ....

[another_liberal]

78. I was referring to people who want a war with Russia . . .

Are you such a person?

I didn't think you were, but if you are (and I certainly hope you aren't) may your wishes remain forever unfulfilled.

[The Magistrate]

80. Everyone Can Read What You Said, Sir

Everyone conversant with the English language knows what this means:

"It is a personal hatred of Russia on the part of some . . .

Russian laws have insulted their life style, so they demand we fight a third World War to assuage their wounded pride.

I, for one, am not ready to get on that particular bandwagon.
A. L."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014881926#post185

It is a flat statement that laws establishing persecution of gay people are no more than 'insult to their life-style', and that gay people are pressing for WWIII to 'assuage their wounded pride'....

[SidDithers]

52. RT. LOL...nt

Sid

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. actually amnesty says

“
The Ukrainian authorities must not replicate the lawlessness and abuses that have prevailed in areas previously held by separatists.
”
Salil Shetty, Amnesty International Secretary General from Kyiv.

[another_liberal]

16. That may be part of what they said . . .

Do you have any comments on the charges they brought against Kiev's fascist volunteer battalions?

That is the topic of my OP, right?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. where are these charges? can you please point me to a resource that is not a secondary source

if this is an amnesty issue, then i would like to see the amnesty source that states what exactly they are doing

[another_liberal]

20. Someone else will cover the story eventually . . .

It just doesn't fit very well with the story line our Western media is obediently pushing. Russia Today, perhaps understandably, is far quicker to bring this kind of information to our attention.

Here is AI's own in house offering on the subject:

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/EUR50/040/2014/en

[La Lioness Priyanka]

43. so this headline is an utter lie, right?

i saw the amnesty records and they are nothing like the RT reporting.

[edhopper]

48. Hasn't stopped the OP

Before.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

49. exactly

[zappaman]

55. +100!

[The Magistrate]

22. The Topic Of Your O.P., Sir, Is Your Tunnel Vision And Extremely Poor Judgement

Here is some of what you you leave out from the most recent Amnesty International material:

“Our evidence shows that Russia is fuelling the conflict, both through direct interference and by supporting the separatists in the East. Russia must stop the steady flow of weapons and other support to an insurgent force heavily implicated in gross human rights violations.”

“These satellite images, coupled with reports of Russian troops captured inside Ukraine and eyewitness accounts of Russian troops and military vehicles rolling across the border leave no doubt that this is now an international armed conflict,” said Shetty ( Amnesty International Secretary General )"

"Civilians from these areas told Amnesty International that the Ukrainian government forces subjected their neighbourhoods to heavy shelling. Their testimonies suggest that the attacks were indiscriminate and may amount to war crimes. Witnesses also said that separatist fighters abducted, tortured, and killed their neighbours"

"In an illustrative incident, residents of Slovyansk told Amnesty International that separatist fighters kidnapped a local pastor, two of his sons and two churchgoers, and requested a US$50,000 ransom for their release. By the time the local community managed to collect the requested ransom, the witnesses said, the captors had killed all of the men.

"Amnesty International has also received credible reports of abductions and beatings carried out by volunteer battalions operating alongside regular Ukrainian armed forces. "


http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/ukraine-mounting-evidence-war-crimes-and-russian-involvement-2014-09-07

[zappaman]

56. Whoops!

I'm sure those omissions were completely accidental!

[The Magistrate]

84. Indeed, Sir

Must have just got overlooked in the bustle and hustle of posting up the latest Russia Times screed....

[snooper2]

44. According to RT

(Sid is on break LOL)

[4Q2u2]

53. The Magistrate has ruled

It sounds like you are lacking in evidence and truthfullness.

OP dismissed. Bang goes the Gavel.

[grahamhgreen]

58. Can we please fix our country first.