Bernard Sanders (I-VT) - "There is no question that ISIS is a dangerous and brutal organization,"

[FrodosPet]

"and they have got to be stopped."

~ snip ~

"So I hope that while we focus our attention on defeating ISIS, we do not forget, especially my Republican colleagues do not forget that tens of millions of Americans today are struggling to keep their heads above water."

~ snip ~

"He understands how complicated this issue is, that we need the international community, that at the end of the day, if we defeat ISIS it will be the people in Iraq and Syria do that, with the support of the United States, and with the support of the international community. So to my mind, this is an enormously complicated issue. I think the President is right. We have to help the so called Syrian moderates, G-d knows how many of them that there are. I think airstrikes are important, but we need the international community."

[still_one]

1. sounds like the Senator is supporting the President. Hmmmm, can't make some folks on DU very happy

[Cha]

3. This shit is real whether those on the internetz recognize it or not.

[still_one]

4. Of course it is, and those of the far left or far right can play their idealistic or political games

but they don't have to deal with the consequences of no action, or over action.

What is amazing to me is that the President takes what I consider a measured approach, and suddenly he is as "bad as bush"

[Cha]

6. That's just a mantra stuck in their collective head.. it doesn't matter what the facts are.

[noiretextatique]

10. the fact is: this is another boondoggle that will cost US citizens dearly

and the innocents in Syria and Iraq as well, while the same assholes (Halliburton, et al) make obscene profits from death and destruction. another PNAC war, as planned a long time ago. it is sickening...but you all enjoy.

[Cha]

11. No one the fuck is "enjoying" this.. so get yourself another line. Yeah, It's cheney

and bush's halliburton profiteering war just like we knew all those years ago.. and now this President is left to clean it up with a broad coalition.. including Iraq, regional partners & allies.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

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[Cha]

15. Thanks Nuclear Unicorn..

Yeah, civility has kind of gone out my window tonight.. Juror #7 is right. Juror #3 has a balanced attitude and I'm liking #1.

ooooh I got one hide!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

17. I was juror #1.

My thoughts (prayers?) are this --

If this is to be done let it be done swiftly and decisively. Let us set aside partisan opportunism and wish those who must carry this burden victory and a safe return to their loved ones.

We ask them to conduct themselves with honor first and skill always. Watch over each other.

May the President approach this with equal measures of clarity of purpose, sobriety of judgment and humility. Then return our troops to their families and take nothing except the knowledge we stood for what was right.

[Cha]

18. Very well stated and asked for, NU I love this..

"If this is to be done let it be done swiftly and decisively. Let us set aside partisan opportunism and wish those who must carry this burden victory and a safe return to their loved ones.

We ask them to conduct themselves with honor first and skill always. Watch over each other.

May the President approach this with equal measures of clarity of purpose, sobriety of judgment and humility. Then return our troops to their families and take nothing except the knowledge we stood for what was right."

[freshwest]

30. Agree with Juror #1. Seems a broad brush statement about DUers.

I don't enjoy any of this and sure Obama doesn't either. He's still stuck with cleaning up the mess.

We may want to pretend that saying 'Sorry, okay! Excuse us, we'll just go away now, please don't hurt us, we changed our mind and want you to...' will fix things.

We sowed the wind and will reap the whirlwind, that is the nature of it. Does a tornado let the unwilling escape because they don't want to go?

BushCo left a tragedy that must be addressed, since it will not let us be. People on the right and left want a hit and run, but I doubt ISIL agree with that:

‘Apocalyptic’ Isis beyond anything we've seen, say US defence chiefs

Senior Pentagon officials describe militants as ‘apocalyptic’ group that will need to be defeated but maintain limited strikes are sufficient

...(General) Dempsey, an Iraq veteran, has long been sceptical of US military involvement in the Syrian conflict, citing among other reasons the threat to US pilots from dictator Bashar al-Assad’s air defences. He has frustrated those who advocated American involvement in the two neighbouring wars, such as hawkish Republican senator John McCain, who in June called on Obama to fire Dempsey, saying he “has done nothing but invent ways for us not to be engaged.”

Echoing the White House’s stated position, Dempsey said the US needed “a coalition in the region that takes on the task of defeating Isis over time,” something the administration this week has put effort into broadening and strengthening. But the group’s ultimate defeat, the general said, would only come “when it is rejected by the over 20 million disenfranchised Sunnis that happen to reside between Damascus and Baghdad.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/isis-us-military-iraq-strikes-threat-apocalyptic/print

From Baghdad to Damascus connects the Mediterranean and Persia Gulf. While no doubt only a small percentage of the 20 million displaced people support ISIL, there are a significant number of refugees from the Iraq War. We created their misery by going into Iraq and abusing the trust of our WW2 Allies, like a bull in a china shop.

We need to think of the needs of these people. They want a new home and ISIL is promising not only that, but glory as well. The victims in the Middle East aren't going to let us off the hook because we want to take our little red wagon and go home. There's no way to wash our hands, pretending we are absolved of all our sins. We will have to work this out.

Clearly, Obama has been stalling the PNAC gang for years, intent on getting away from the Middle East and being dependent on their oil. That's why he's pushed for alteratives so hard and why they've fought him on it and everything else. He is working to end the fossil fuel world oligarchy and they know it. A quick read of their actions shows this.

The PNAC crew is restless and has decided to throw everything plus the kitchen sink to get Democrats to stay away from the polls to carry out their own Apocalyptic vision on the Middle East. And people think Bush was insane?

We ain't seen nothing yet.

[freshwest]

23. And a thankless damn job it is, Cha. Leos keep to the task, though...

[Cha]

24. Indeed, fresh.. thank you!

[freshwest]

9. Bernie is a good man and so is our President. Unfortunately, some prefer a catfight, not action.

[Cha]

13. Yes, and Elizabeth Warren, too.. also recognizes this as a real crisis that needs our

attention, fresh. Thank you!

[cali]

12. that's fine. I don't expect to agree with him on everything- and he's my Senator

My rep, Peter Welch, does not support the President on this:

http://digital.vpr.net/post/rep-welch-dont-launch-air-strikes-against-isis-forces-syria

[Live and Learn]

19. +1 nt

[GoCubsGo]

25. Yeah, he pretty much said the same thing on Thom Hartmann's show this afternoon.

Thom seemed to agree with his general assessment of the situation. He's been, as usual, a great source of information on what's really going on here, and from what he's been telling us, I'm not surprised that he and Bernie aren't condemning the President's plan.

[treestar]

36. +1

Bernie is supposed to be the transformative hero who says all things rightly!

[Cha]

2. OhOH.. First Elizabeth.. now Bernie.. good gawd.. could they something

that those raging against President Obama don't know?!!!

thank you, Frodos

[AtomicKitten]

5. I respect Bernie.

He's the quintessential straight arrow.

The escalation still blows.

[Cha]

7. KIck!

[Cha]

8. K

[RandiFan1290]

16. Yeehaww!

http://todaysmilitary.com/contact-a-recruiter

Let's go! Sign up the kids and grand kids!

[Cha]

20. K

[Cha]

21. K

[Cha]

22. K

[Jester Messiah]

26. Sanders and Warren both. I can't help but listen.

I don't want more war... but it may just be that we find ourselves in one regardless of our wants. My personal attitude was that ISIS is way over there, and there are people who live closer by who have more of a stake in the outcome, so let them throw their lives and money at the problem for a change. Not like we don't have enough to take care of on our side of the world.

That said, when people whom I admire and respect take a different viewpoint, I listen. Grudgingly, I accept that maybe this is a problem the solution of which we need to invest ourselves.

[Cha]

27. Kick for Bernie..

[Cha]

28. Bernard Sanders (I-VT) - "There is no question that ISIS is a dangerous and brutal organization,"

~ snip ~

"He understands how complicated this issue is, that we need the international community, that at the end of the day, if we defeat ISIS it will be the people in Iraq and Syria do that, with the support of the United States, and with the support of the international community. So to my mind, this is an enormously complicated issue. I think the President is right. We have to help the so called Syrian moderates, G-d knows how many of them that there are. I think airstrikes are important, but we need the international community."

Mahalo Frodos

[Puzzledtraveller]

29. We are all for war now, w00t!

Disgusting

[Cha]

31. Frodos, do you have a link for the snips in your OP? TIA!

[muriel_volestrangler]

32. They're a transcript of the YouTube video (nt)

[Cha]

33. Thank you, muriel.. I thought later that it might be.

[FrodosPet]

34. Personally typed in by me.

I would hope the pacifism at all costs people might listen to someone who is obviously not a right wing warmonger, who voted AGAINST the IWR resolution, but nope.

[Cha]

35. Right.. on the typing! Thank you, again, Frodos. I posted your whole

OP and added some to a thread last night where some of us were being called "DINOs"

Here's from Bernie Sanders on ISIS.. Would they dare throw him under their Purity bus with the rest of us?..

"I think airstrikes are important, but we need the international community."

~ snip ~

"He understands how complicated this issue is, that we need the international community, that at the end of the day, if we defeat ISIS it will be the people in Iraq and Syria do that, with the support of the United States, and with the support of the international community. So to my mind, this is an enormously complicated issue. I think the President is right. We have to help the so called Syrian moderates, G-d knows how many of them that there are. I think airstrikes are important, but we need the international community."

FrodosPet http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025518118

snip//

"In a statement on Iraq, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said that the world needs to step up in dealing with ISIS, and in the process he sounded a lot like a 2016 presidential candidate.

In a statement, Sen. Sanders said, “The United States is not the only country on Earth with an air force. While I support President Obama’s decision to use airstrikes to protect the lives of thousands of innocent people of the Yazidi minority, the U.S. should not have to act alone militarily in this crisis. ISIS is a danger to the entire region and to the world. The international community must work with the U.S.”

MOre..
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/08/13/sounding-presidential-candidate-bernie-sanders-u-s-act-iraq.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5524087

[Uncle Joe]

37. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, FrodosPet.