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el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:27 AM Sep 2014

How sure are you of your position re: US taking action against ISIS/ISIL?

I have a hard time knowing what is the best course of action myself; ISIS do seem like bloodthirsty murderers, but I don't know that our intervention will be of any benefit at all. It does seem reading DU that many people, on both sides of the issue, are sure that they are right and sure that the people on the other side of the issue are wrong - morally and intellectually.

Bryant


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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
10. I don't know about his opinion,
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:50 AM
Sep 2014

but I think proclaiming anything except universal constants 'absolute' (ie, always) is a mistake.

Still, I'd say it's highly likely in most situations. In order to avoid violence creating further violence, you either have to A) completely kill everyone on the other side, or who cares about those you kill, B) do it secretly, so that no one knows the violence you did, C) attack a pacifist, D) attack and destroy someone universally reviled, or E) meet some other very specific condition or set of conditions I can't think of off the top of my head.

But there's an awful lot of evidence out there that shows it's a generally reasonable statement.

Abused become abusers, the hurt lash out at people around them, and feuds are handed down from generation to generation.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. Not absolutely sure, but my opinion is rooted in our recent history in the ME
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:38 AM
Sep 2014

It's been a dismal failure and has led to great destruction and has further destabilized the region. This seems to be a campaign that follows the playbook in Libya and to some extent in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are, by dint of necessity, partnering with countries and people that are, to put it mildly, not reliable or savory allies. Massive bombing seems to have grown the ideology of radical violence rooted in religion and increased the rifts between Sunni and Shia. And even if we do functionally destroy ISIS, what arises out of that vacuum?

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
9. I tend to agree.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:49 AM
Sep 2014

Perhaps a case could be made that even though the prospects for good political orders to develop in the region is not good, the sooner ISIS is neutralized, the sooner there is at least a small chance of building such an order.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
5. We need to stop creating our own problems
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:42 AM
Sep 2014

(in concert with our allies).

When we eventually stop creating unnecessary problems we'll be able to tackle our own challenges here at home.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
6. After all the lies the government and media have told the American public on order to get
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:43 AM
Sep 2014

them to support engaging in wars for corporate profit over the past 60 years, I simply don't believe a word they say.

Sad, but true.

So...no more war, and yes, I'm sure.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. I don't know how anyone can have certainty given such a complex
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:52 AM
Sep 2014

and fluid situation, where there is no good option only a least bad one, with any course of action, including inaction, having far reaching consequences for decades

Autumn

(44,981 posts)
12. My position has not changed in 14 years. I held that postition when Bush was
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:52 AM
Sep 2014

the agressor and I hold the same position while Obama is the President.

There are bloodthirsty murderers in MANY countries and some of those our "friends" that we support. I am not of the opinion that people here on the other side of this issue are wrong, I am of the opinion that I hold the opinion that what Obama proposes to do is morally and intellectually wrong.

moondust

(19,958 posts)
14. Too many variables.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:50 AM
Sep 2014

U.S. air strikes have already made a difference as far as controlling the Mosul dam and slowing/halting ISIS' advance. Will likely take a long time and some bad things will probably happen.

Anybody too chicken to watch should crawl under their bed and stay there until it's over.

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