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(17,997 posts)Not being in part of it. Since it didn't exist before we decided to go into a country that wasn't a threat and bomb the shit out of it, I am going with yes.
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RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)but no, they were not created by the USG.
RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)in Abu Ghr.... I mean in Iraq.
When I see the videos of the IS that are captured or killed I never see the big guys dressed in black. I only see the poor and sick looking soldiers.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)In the original GWOT Cheney decided to go to the "dark side" and "take the gloves off".
As a result, the neocons were responsible, directly or indirectly, for kidnappings, torture, massacres of civilians etc. etc.
It got so bad that some thought we were worse than the "bad guys" we were fighting and the public support fizzled out.
This time around the "bad guys" are doing all of those horrible things from the get-go.
And like the neocons they seem to have a penchant for orange jumpsuits, propaganda and shock and awe tactics.
cali
(114,904 posts)classic blow back.
Every family in Iraq who lost a father, mother or child in the war, today has a grudge that needs to be dealt with.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Every new terror threat got to where it was because of US intervention in the Middle East, that's how they get the toys to become such infamous badasses.
All we're doing now is enabling the next group to wear the title.
madokie
(51,076 posts)When you have organizations that work in the shadows you never know where their allegiances lie. We barely are even allowed to know that the cia exist so I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the rich warmongering assholes aren't funding most all this hate coming from the middle east.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Probably has been some assistance and encouragement from the CIA. It would be the sort of thing they are 'good' at.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The MIC must have an enemy even if they must create one out of whole cloth.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)TBF
(32,017 posts)Recall Salvador Allende.
I swear Malaise I am getting too old for this nonsense.
Fucking repugs will not stop until they get their war ...
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Pour in Money and weapons, then the Op goes sideways,
Fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice and I might think about it
fool me three times and it's the CIA for sure.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)(with the help of our allies).
Another part of the govt fights them (with the help of our allies).
We get to watch from the sidelines as the drama unfolds and scream for the govt to do something, anything, protect us!
The MIC gets to rake in the profits.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Stupidity and blowback made them flourish, but now that they exist, they're useful for some.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)ZX86
(1,428 posts)Always follow the money. Nine times out of ten you'll get your answer.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)I think ISIL members mostly speak Arabic.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Their theatrics, staging, constant Twitter and You Tube Vids....pushing their "Bad Ass" persona of the Men in Black coming to get you seems straight out of Hollywood.
Their waving their guns as the ride around doing donuts in their Trucks or scenes of them marching around the desert with their flags flying stopping every once in awhile to do some target practicing to show off their skills is hard to take seriously. Plus, their advertising for ISIS Brides and other stunts that are getting the media attention seems contrived.
It has struck me as some kind of CIA Op.. But, that doesn't mean they aren't dangerous and even more so if they are involved with some of our Rogue folks in Intel.
On Edit: They remind me of something Dick Cheney would concoct with some Rogue folks in Intel. Showing up at Obama Inauguration in Black Hat and Overcoat in a wheelchair to get attention comes to mind. He loves his Darth Vadar persona...too much.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)we know now that Osama bin Laden was our buddy and was funded by us, he was on the CIA's payroll. We also know that our government has done and still does covert stuff like this to destabilize governments we don't like.
It's not inconceivable to me that ISIL has been 'encouraged' by those within our government, to not only cause problems in Iraq and Syria so that we have to continue the neocon war agenda, and of course, cause problems for Obama. The Iraq war created a vacuum for extremists to flourish. Who's to say they haven't had a little help along the way by the good ol' USA.
I believe anything is possible this days.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)Are Saudi Arabia and , I have been told, Qatar
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)The "founding fathers" would be proud of the mass genocide the military industrial complex was able to accomplish in just a few years against the indigenous people in the middle east using these ISIS mercenaries.
The plan has always been to supply them with training, weapons and money then set them loose to destabilize countries and slaughter millions for a few years then come in with tanks, drones and bombs to finish off whats left while making an insane profit from the weapons and conquered land.
I highly recommend watching these two documentaries on the subject, the 2nd one is from PBS.
and...
Video: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/syria-arming-the-rebels/
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] They asked for a group of 80 or 90 fighters from our command, and we headed towards the Turkish border.
NARRATOR: Based on their accounts, we retraced their journey across the border into Turkey. After a 14-hour drive, they say they arrived in the Turkish capital of Ankara and were brought to a hotel. They were kept inside and questioned by Americans, who would only say they were from the military. But the rebels believed they were from the CIA.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] We met them for six to seven hours a day. It was medical examinations, questions for each person individually, like, When did you join the uprising? And What was your profession or military rank?
They had tracked our work and asked us to verify information about attacks we carried out, such as who was present and how many men were martyred. Your responses have to match the entire groups.
NARRATOR: A week later, the rebels say they were surprised by what happened next.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] We only found out where we were going to be trained on the last day in Ankara, when the Americans said goodbye and that, Tomorrow, well see you in Qatar.
NARRATOR: They were flown 1,500 miles away to Doha, the capital of Qatar, which is a key U.S. ally in the Persian Gulf.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] We drove for about two, two-and-a-half hours to reach the training ground. It was close to the Saudi border. We didnt know where we were because it was desert all around.
NARRATOR: Over the course of three weeks, they say they were trained by Americans at a base in the desert guarded by Qatari soldiers. Like many of the rebels who were sent to Qatar, 21-year-old Hussein had never had any previous military training.
HUSSEIN: [through interpreter] They trained us to ambush regime or enemy vehicles and cut off the road. They also trained us on how to attack a vehicle, raid it, retrieve information or weapons and munitions, and how to finish off soldiers still alive after an ambush.
NARRATOR: The rebels were outfitted with brand-new uniforms and boots.
MUHAMMAD ALI: [subtitles] Those trousers are from them, right?
HUSSEIN: [subtitles] Yeah. We got these boots in training.
MUHAMMAD ALI: The Americans were warning the fighters not to tell this story at all. And even at one point, they told them, If in any case this story will be published, we will stop funding you or arming you.
NARRATOR: The CIA and the State Department declined to comment on the fighters accounts of arming and training, though the Obama administration has said it plans to step up support to the rebels, and there have been other reports the CIA is running covert training out of Jordan.
The military industrial complex stands to make a killing (no pun intended) from the upcoming military action in Syria but do you think they're actually going after iSIS?
Don't count on it. They're going to blow up whatever defense is left so these ISIS mercenaries can quickly move in and take over like in Libya.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)blowback from our killing and destruction, destabailizing and attempting to destabilize governments in the region, compound interest on the results of colonialism, and of course the CIA playing various crazy power games.
malaise
(268,724 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Lot's of people not buying it.
Kick...as more comes out. Remember many believed Colin Powell's presentation before the UN....and it wasn't until later we found out how corrupt that demonstration he did was.
Kick...