Every American President in the past quarter century has now gone on television during prime time

[J_J_]

to Tell the nation and the world that he has decided to bomb Iraq.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/obama-didnt-say


And they expect us to believe we are so compassionate we want to help Iraqis.

Seriously. they expect us to believe Cheney, and all the neocons who generally HATE everyone in this country...

care so much about Iraq we must go and bomb them again...you know...to help them.



I don't believe that anyone is actually buying this shit, but if they are, it is a tiny minority of morons.


WE have critical mass AGAINST this BULLSHIT!

Now WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO SHUT THIS DOWN?

It's up to us.

The lying corporate media and the lying politicians are never going to admit they are greedy lying sociopaths.

It's up to us.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. We lost. Get out. Get over it.

We have become the world's greatest super power to lose so many wars...and keep going back to get our asses kicked again.

[RKP5637]

3. The US has some serious learning issues! n/t

[J_J_]

4. meanwhile wages are stagnant, our jobs were sent overseas, millions of homes stolen

millions of school children are homeless and starving as our media was completely taken over by 3 corporations.


I am amazed at the 'compassion' our politicians have for Iraqis, cause they don't have one damn bit of compassion for American citizens.

[Initech]

2. We need to get rid of the people who are really responsible.

Seriously it's time to start holding our own Nuremberg style trials and arrest the BFEE, the military industrial complex, and put them on the stand. The definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It's way past time to break the cycle.

[J_J_]

5. we have to hold lying war criminals accountable, including the US media

It's the only way.

The lying warmongering media still has Dick Cheney and John McCain as if they are some big experts when they have fucked everything up.

In order to fix it, we're going to listen to Dick Cheney again.

We have to hold all the bastards accountable,

perhaps by protesting the media until they lose their license to use our public airwaves.

They have proven they will not stop, and they want more. THEY WANT IT ALL!

They will never back down.

The whole word is wating for US to stand up.

Land of the Free, Home of the Brave?

[Initech]

6. Totally agree.

If we don't act, the war criminals and the perpetual war machine that we've created will continue to stack trillions and continue to get away with it.

[JEB]

11. No real way forward until our own homegrown war criminals are prosecuted.

[Progressive dog]

7. If the media and politicians are

greedy lying sociopaths, then exactly how do you propose shutting this down?

[J_J_]

8. surround the tv stations in loud protest until they stop lying

surround the politicians in loud protest until they stop lying

[Progressive dog]

9. Kind of like the t-party people at the Democrat's

town halls when they failed to stop ACA.

[J_J_]

10. they were morons with no facts or arguments on their side

and they did not protest the media, because corporate media supports them.


WE have all the facts, recent proof of warmongering lies by corporate media etc. and we stay silent?

[Progressive dog]

17. Why would lying sociopaths respond

to a protest?

[J_J_]

19. we loudly shame them to the point they can no longer function

someone needs to pop their bubble

[sabrina 1]

12. Start by not watching them. It's easier today than ever before as we have access to so many other

sources. Amazingly nearly every source that doesn't chant the war monger's message has been criticized HERE by a vocal few. But when you ask them what are THEIR sources, there is silence. We know why that is, it is because those attacking messengers who dare to counter the Corporate Media support the Corporate Media. But even they know how discredited that media is so are too cowardly to admit that they get their info from the least credible media available.

[J_J_]

13. The media has lost all credibility so I can't believe anyone believes them

Obama has lost all credibilty after that speech, so why does anyone believe him?


I don't watch TV, but I did turn on NPR to hear Obama's speech which was stunningly stupid, jingoistic patriotic bullshit.


I don't know anyone that supports this new 3 year war

I think this is all manufactured consent.

[NuclearDem]

15. Watch RT instead!

[zappaman]

25. Like the other 50 million US citizens do!

[sabrina 1]

29. Yes, there you will find liberal voices that are not allowed on the Corporate Media. Thanks for

exhibit #1 of the point I made but without the graphics. Your have helped enormously to prove my point, I think you for that.

Btw, what sources do you consider credible?? This is a question I am having so much trouble getting any answer to. Perhaps YOU can provide us with the sources YOU get your information from?

[Progressive dog]

16. Right, I could look at random posts

by people who make outrageous claims that are echoed by other people. I'm not even sure what you believe the war mongers are, much less what their message is.
The actual news did report the capture of the Mosul dam by ISIS. It did report the murder by ISIL of the captured Iraqi soldiers. It did report the systematic killing of non-Islamic sects by ISIL. It did report the murder of the two American reporters by ISIL.
Are you claimi8ng that this was manufactured by the corporate media to gin up a war?

[J_J_]

20. Did the media call for war when the police shot an unarmed citizen?

In fact, the police have shot and killed numerous unarmed citizens.

The media mostly downplays that, and promotes war in Iraq.

Do they care more about Iraqis than Americans?


Police In Texas Shoot Schizophrenic Man's Face Off

The Daily Mail is reporting that Laredo Police Department officers have shot a schizophrenic man more than 80 times.



I'd say that is pretty fucking sick and twisted, a group of terrorists to be sure.

Are we going to war on Texas?

Are we going to bomb Texas citizens to protect them from the Laredo Police Department?

[Progressive dog]

23. Look up what war means and

then get back to me.

[J_J_]

24. maybe you should look up the word crime

a beheading is a crime which should result in punishment of the perpetrator, not the citizen population



Bin Laden and a few friends committed a crime, they should have been held accountable.


Going to war over a crime is inexcusable and a little over the top don't you think?


We bombed Afghanistan, then we got 'confused' and bombed "Iraq"

which caused the rise of ISIS which is why we have to bomb again.


Maybe we should prosecute criminals instead of promoting collective punishment which is a war crime.

[Progressive dog]

27. When did I bring up crime

You began talking about bringing war to the streets of America as if it was something that made sense to you. Bin Laden did not choose to face justice and he was protected by a foreign government. That foreign government was held accountable by war, which is the way that crimes by one nation against another are handled when diplomacy fails.
Crimes against one country by another may be the least inexcusable reason for war.
We were wrong to attack Iraq, but that does not excuse ISIS. The USA is not responsible for every group of psychopaths on the planet. We did not "create ISIS", except by existing.

[J_J_]

21. "Are you claiming that this was manufactured by the corporate media to gin up a war?"

Not just me....

Counterterrorism Experts claim ISIS threat "distorted" and "a farce"

Some officials and terrorism experts believe that the actual danger posed by ISIS has been distorted in hours of television punditry and alarmist statements by politicians, and that there has been little substantive public debate about the unintended consequences of expanding American military action in the Middle East"

Daniel Benjamin, who served as the State Department’s top counterterrorism adviser during Mr. Obama’s first term, said the public discussion about the ISIS threat has been a “farce,” with “members of the cabinet and top military officers all over the place describing the threat in lurid terms that are not justified.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/11/world/middleeast/struggling-to-gauge-isis-threat-even-as-us-prepares-to-act.html?_r=2

[Progressive dog]

22. I asked about facts and

you give me an opinion piece against the war from the corporate media. What is your argument?

[J_J_]

26. Counterterrorism experts?

That was a rare bit of journalism, not exactly on the front page or anything.

The corporate media are the only ones with the facts on just how dangerous ISIS is to all of US booga booga!!

[Progressive dog]

28. Corporate experts are who you want

to do my thinking for me?

[sabrina 1]

30. Did it also report the years of brutality, torture, murder, incarceration by the Maliki regime and

'US Trained Iraqi Police and Soldiers' of the Sunny population in Iraq? No? I didn't think so. It's astounding to me who has been following events in Iraq since we helped install the puppet, Maliki, that only ONE SIDE of this is being reported by the Western Media. Actually no, I'm not at all surprised that they never covered what Maliki has been up to, what is astounding is that anyone here where we used to have people who made sure to inform themselves beyond the IMMEDIATE war mongering propaganda, as to the events that led up to whatever the current outrage happens to be.

It's not believable that our government has been unaware of the brutality of the Maliki Govt over the past several years. Chelsea Manning, eg REPORTED on some of what SHE witnessed. And we all know what happened to her.

I AM claiming that we get from the Corporate Media IS one-sided, mostly propaganda when it comes to our Foreign Wars. I am NOT denying the brutality of these extremist groups, ISIS or whoever they latest happens to be. What I am claiming is that the brutality of the Maliki regime made it easy for extremists to get recruits.

Has the Corporate Media reported on who is funding this latest 'terror' group? Who is recruiting them?

Has our Govt demanded that THEIR allies STOP creating these groups and funding them? That would seem to be the best way to end their ability to terrorize anyone.

But if you prefer to just believe the Corporate Media, be my guest. A whole lot of people believed them back in 2003 and we tried to tell them then they were being lied to.

Lies by omission are also lies.

[Progressive dog]

31. Instead of reading the propagandists,

you should actually read news. If you missed the conflict between the Shia and Sunni or if you didn't realize that Maliki was a Shia who was a partisan, you haven't been paying attention.
Anyhow, we don't get to go back and make the Shia love the Sunni. We don't get to go back and stop the Shia from installing Maliki as leader.
If you can prove exactly where the ISIS funding is coming from, you should send your proof to the CIA. I'll give you a hint, it is not coming from any Arab government.

[sabrina 1]

32. To the CIA??

Lol! I don't think you read my comment. If you had you would understand that I just told you about the conflict between the Shia and Sunni population in Iraq, a large part of that conflict created by the Western Invasion and by its installed puppets in positions of power. Thanks for repeating that.

I'm sorry, but your advice to read t he Western News to get information, is simply naive. The Western Media is Corporate Owned. All these 'wars' we are supposedly 'fighting' are Corporate Wars.

I just told you that I do NOT use Corporate Propaganda to find out facts. So thanks for the advice.

A vast majority of Americans know nothing about 'Shia' or 'Sunni' because they rely on the Corporate Propaganda 'machine'.

However those numbers are changing, especially among the young who do not rely on the Corporate Media so it is getting more difficult to 'catapult the propaganda' as worldwide, the younger generation is vastly more informed than previous generations.

[Progressive dog]

33. Oh I read your comment

The corporate media cannot come to your home and tutor you. If you expect that, of course you will be disappointed in them.
If you also believe that conflict between Sunni and Shia started because of the Western Invasion, perhaps you need to read news from corporate media. That is laughable.

[Iggo]

14. Gotta help save Viet Nam from the Vietnamese, dontcha know.

[daredtowork]

18. Suggest they hold a Congressional Bake Sale the Next Time

That way Americans, in their Spirit of Generosity, will fund the war to "help" Iraqis in the same individual, free, voluntary way the Republicans insist everyone should be "helped". Bake some brownies. See if that raises enough money to solve the problem.