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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 05:49 AM Sep 2014

The Real Reason Why We Can't Defeat ISIS

http://www.alternet.org/world/real-reason-why-we-cant-defeat-isis


Black oil pump jacks in the desert of Bahrain, Middle East
Photo Credit: Philip Lange


In a recent AlterNet piece, I pointed to studies showing that Islamic terrorism is rooted more in politics and economics than in fanatical religious belief. In a blog response to that piece, evolutionary biologist and professor Jerry A. Coyne asks, “Even if Werleman were right, and I don’t think he is, what are we then to do? Let ISIS roam free, killing as they go?”

It’s a good question. Unfortunately, the answer is both simple and difficult to reconcile: we can’t defeat ISIS, and even if we could, there will be another group in its place, fueled by the same grievances and objectives but with slightly different branding.

The U.S. has killed no less than a half-dozen al-Qaeda number twos and number ones. From Yemen to Iraq, from Afghanistan to Somalia, the U.S. has proven skillfully adept at taking out the leadership positions of Islamic terrorist groups, but 13 years after 9/11, and after $3 trillion and the deaths of 7,000 U.S. soldiers, the threat against the U.S. is greater than ever.

Despite this extraordinary and focused effort, the question then becomes: why does the threat against the U.S. remain unbeaten? The answer is that our overall foreign policy in the Middle East remains unchanged, and while we remain addicted to the region’s cheap oil, our efforts to arm and fund oppressive despotic regimes will continue.
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merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. Well, that and we don't seem to know how to win hearts and minds.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 06:26 AM
Sep 2014

Conventional wars, we apparently got the hang of, even if 37 million souls had to perish before "victory" was secured.

The other kind of war, not so much.

But, we seem to keep trying anyway.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. So if we are still threatened by terrorist groups (and I discount most of that)...
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 08:36 AM
Sep 2014

...then we should ignore them and they will go away? It doesn't matter if ISIS dies and is replaced. We would still do what we could to protect our interests and those of our allies.
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MisterP

(23,730 posts)
4. and of course our meddling (favoring the most bigoted Shiites in Baghdad and the most bigoted
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:41 PM
Sep 2014

Sunnis in Syria) in the ME is accompanied by bigotry against Muslims at home in the West--in law, media, and strategic planning for global policy: from Coyne to Gellar to Pat Robertson, unqualified bigots are the first on the teevee whenever "the Islam issue" comes up

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
5. America just can't pass up the opportunity to gloriously lose another war.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 03:32 PM
Sep 2014

Although we did screw up and win a victory over Mighty Grenada while safe guarding our "Vital National Interests" there.

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