ISIS Reportedly Beheads British Aid Worker

[babylonsister]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/isis-beheads-british-aid-worker


ISIS Reportedly Beheads British Aid Worker

By Dylan Scott
Published September 13, 2014, 5:42 PM EDT


The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria has reportedly beheaded another Western hostage, British aid worker David Haines.

The SITE Intelligence Group said that ISIS had released a video purportedly depicting Haines's killing.

The militant group had threatened to kill Haines after it killed U.S. journalist Steven Joel Sotloff earlier this month. ISIS also beheaded U.S. journalist James Foley in August.

Haines was abducted in early 2013, according to NBC News.

According to SITE, the video's message was directed at British Prime Minister David Cameron (pictured). ISIS threatened another captive British citizen, Alan Henning, at its conclusion.

[shenmue]

1. ...

[TwilightGardener]

2. Poor guy. I read somewhere that the family recently tried to get ISIS to contact them, but

they never heard from the group.

[ZombieHorde]

3. Too bad we're taking the bait.

We are so easy to manipulate. ISIS holds our leash.

[babylonsister]

6. What does that even mean?

Edit to add: You think ISIS did this because of us? You're blaming their horrific actions on us?

[woo me with science]

7. "Too bad we're taking the bait."

Why are you pretending not to know what that means?

[DCBob]

9. It's a completely ignorant comment void of reason.

Executions of innocent people requires some sort of action by someone.

[ZombieHorde]

13. Ignorant of what?

What knowledge am I ignorant of?

[DCBob]

14. By calling it "bait" you suggest we shouldn't react.

That's ignorant.

[ZombieHorde]

22. Why is that ignorant? nt

[woo me with science]

15. Well, the response was devoid of coherence, anyway.

I have always considered feigned confusion to pretend a point doesn't make sense to be among the lamest of Third Way rhetorical tactics.

*Of course* the original comment was clear and relevant, as you helpfully prove by finally trying to address it in your own response. It's too bad the response is the same, vapid "BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!" ...er, I mean, "...requires some sort of action by someone" response that we have come to expect from the corporate posters here. As discussed at length in many recent threads, "Somebody needs to do something!" is not a coherent argument for war.

I'm done here, and the point was very relevant. You have a nice day, DCBob.

[DCBob]

16. So you are in the do nothing and hope it goes away crowd.

You also have a nice day.

[woo me with science]

17. Yep, that's the quality of Third Way argument. nt

Not kicking this nonsense anymore.

[Blue_Tires]

30. I'm interested in hearing your proposal, if you have one...

[DCBob]

56. If thats third way, then your argument must be zero way.

[joshcryer]

28. That's exactly it.

It goes for anything good, period.

[SidDithers]

29. You're exactly right...nt

Sid

[ZombieHorde]

11. I am saying they are provoking people into a war.

Why else would they film and release the murders?

I blame them for their actions and I blame the US for "our" actions.

[Scootaloo]

52. ISIS is trying to goad us.

And it's working.

[Boom Sound 416]

8. When it's one of your family members

Then feel free to refer to them as bait.

Until then, enjoy your comfort.

[Union Scribe]

35. And you enjoy yours

as people other than you have to go fight them.

[Boom Sound 416]

55. That's exactly right.

And they volunteered and I support them.

[wyldwolf]

10. pretty insensitive comment

[ZombieHorde]

12. My wording is crass, I admit.

However, I currently believe military action will be significantly more crass.

[Cha]

23. Senator Sanders disagrees with you and thinks it's the "right thing to do"..

Senator Bernie Sanders stands with President Obama.. on this "Enormously complicated issue".. as he calls it. He disagrees with staying out of ISIS like some around are clamoring on about.

As he stated it's an "International effort" and guess what.. "they have to put money in it too."

Hartman and he talked about one republiCon saying.. they'll "blast him if it doesn't work and ask why he didn't do it sooner if it does." Sounds like a familiar whine.

Senators Warren and Sanders are on board with the President.. thank goodness for those who know and understand the whole picture.

FrodosPet http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5527989

[Scootaloo]

53. Trouble is, it's not the binary situation you make it to be, Cha

There are options beyond "the president is infallible" and "doing nothing at all."

Do you think throwing money and weapons at Syrian "rebels" is going to do anything to stop IS?
Do you think toppling the Syrian government, thus ensuring several years of even bloodier civil war, is going to bring peace to the region?
Do you think ignoring Syrian sovereignty to attack where we want within that country, is going to bring people to our side?
Do you think that bombing Mosul all over again, or Falluja all over again, is doing to discredit and weaken IS?

These are some key components of the president's plan. And they're garbage. Drek. Junk. Shit. At least, if the stated goal - dealing with IS - is the actual goal.

This doesn't invalidate the whole of the plan - holding gulf states accountable for their funding is a great idea (though "idea" it will remain, because we're not ever actually going to penalize the Saudis.) making the Iraqis the "Front line" of the operation, another good move.

Now, it IS a complicated issue, and there are no "perfect" solutions. But these flaws are so glaringly obvious that anyone can see them. And just to nip your special pleading in the bud, no, there is no amount of magical secret president-only knowledge that will make a policy of obliterating Syria a maneuver towards stability in this conflict.

[ZombieHorde]

57. They believe it is complicated because they have no compass.

Why is murder so bad? What are we trying to stop when we try to stop people from killing each other? We are trying to stop untimely deaths. We are trying to decrease suffering. Now we have a compass, but we need to see which way it points.

How many people die each day from ISIS? About 30, if my math is correct.
From starvation? About 21,000, if the UN's math is correct.

Hunger is 700 times more dangerous than ISIS.

The situation is actually very simple.

[Cha]

58. Oh I think Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders have the intelligence and the moral compass to

to know exactly what is the right thing to do.

[ZombieHorde]

59. Why do you think that? nt

[Cha]

60. By paying attention to what they've been saying over the last few years, obviously.

[ZombieHorde]

61. What do you think their moral compass is? nt

[CJCRANE]

47. I knew something was in the works:

The next shoe will drop
in a week or two and Britain will commit to military action.

I hope I'm wrong but I've seen this movie before and I don't think the reboot will be any different.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025529408

[joshcryer]

49. The beheadings aren't causing us to react.

That's just absurd. It's the wholesale murder of thousands of Iraqi's, industrial execution style, and the occupation of cities and ethnic cleansing of Kurds and Christians in Iraq.

The beheadings allow the media to have something to talk about.

But in the real world the adults in the room aren't driven by the media narrative. They have their own intel, their own motivations, and their own analysis to work out. If there were no beheadings at all we'd still be moving forward as we are, for all the other crap ISIS is doing.

[cali]

4. shit. ISIS really wants this war.

[Union Scribe]

36. So do a bunch of posters here

The notable difference being the people here have no intention of doing their dirty work.

[Scootaloo]

54. well, some of those posters were slobbering for war with Syria last year too

[morningfog]

37. Of course they do. When the great US legitimizes them as

An enemy, as the greatest threat, that is a victory for them.

When the US turns its military might on them, that is a victory for them.

When we start to bomb the people under their rule, the people will move more towards them. It will be their rallying cry and their recruitment poster. We are giving them exactly what they want. IS is AQ next generation. AQ spent years and millions to carry out 911 in their effort to draw us into a unwinnable war. IS is doing it by killing 3 people without leaving their homeland.

[femmocrat]

5. Aah.... no..... an aid worker yet......

So sorry to hear that.

[KoKo]

18. Okay...Brits are now in On Bomb Syria...who is next?

France has always been in on it. Aussies have been with us always...Canada? But, the hold outs? Germany...who else?

Worldwide as the Beheadings Continue...is it Country by Country to get support for USA's RAMBO into the ME with ENDLESS WAR ....FOREVER.

That's my initial reaction.

[TwilightGardener]

20. Are you saying that this was arranged somehow? That the Brits wanted this to happen?

[KoKo]

21. No ....it's falling domino effect. One by one by one as beheadings

occur by ISIL. It's excellent for Recruiting Purposes for War Hawks.

How else would terrorism work if it didn't scare people to push for more WAR...so the Terrorists can keep more war going? And, think of the profits in armaments. It's spectacular.

you didn't understand what I said?

[babylonsister]

25. Sure, the US is manipulating

ISIS to chop off heads by nationality.

[KoKo]

27. It's convenient...Certainly not to the USA....alone.

It's the War Machine.

Did you forget the WMD and Atrocities of Babies pulled from Incubators, Rapes, Murders, Pillages, Torture , Yellow Cake in Niger, WMD, Aluminum Tubes for Nuclear done by SADDAM?

The United Nations was forced to believe it....After all WE HAD EVIDENCE.

That's what I'm talking about. And....on the Eve of "9/11" Memorial? A year after Obama had to pull back from Bombing Syria after SOS Kerry's Bellicose and Belligerent Address to the Nation? .

[TwilightGardener]

45. What does any of that have to do with this poor man being beheaded?

[Agschmid]

41. That is not what the poster you are responding to said.

[awoke_in_2003]

32. My money is on Poland...

you can't forget about them

[CJCRANE]

48. ...

The next shoe will drop
in a week or two and Britain will commit to military action.

I hope I'm wrong but I've seen this movie before and I don't think the reboot will be any different.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025529408

[jamzrockz]

50. I think turkey is next

They seem to really want a US invasion of Syria. My guess is that they will take the US air force to create another situation and help their sunni brother in FSA to capture Syria from its secular leadership. Turkey is a hold out and fortunately for ISIS they have just enough Turkey diplomats to sacrifice to summon the great Western military forces inside Syria.

Lets hope Russia can put a stop to this around just like they did during the whole chemical attack fiasco.

[greytdemocrat]

19. I'm sure this ISIS threat "distorted" and "a farce"

[Cha]

24. So incredibly sad, babylonsistah.. :(

[bluestateguy]

26. I stand with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren

in supporting strikes on Isis.

[Cha]

62. Bernie and Elizabeth on ISIS, bluestate..

Bernie stands with the President on this "Enormously complicated issue".. as he calls it. He disagrees with staying out of ISIS like some around are clamoring on about.

As he stated it's an "International effort" and guess what.. "they have to put money in it too."

Hartman and he talked about one republiCon saying.. they'll "blast him if it doesn't work and ask why he didn't do it sooner if it does." Sounds like a familiar whine.

Senators Warren and Sanders are on board with the President..

FrodosPet http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5527989

Elizabeth Warren: It's Time to Destroy ISIS

"ISIS is growing in strength. It has money, it has organization, it has the capacity to inflict real damage. So when we think about a response we have to think about how to destroy that," Warren told Yahoo's Katie Couric.

Warren agreed that "time is of the essence."

"We need to be working now, full-speed ahead, with other countries, to destroy ISIS. That should be our No. 1 priority," she said in a wide-ranging interview promoting her latest book, A Fighting Chance.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/danieldoherty/2014/09/04/elizabeth-warren-its-time-to-destroy-isis-n1887259

[whatchamacallit]

31. It's as if they'll do whatever it takes to popularize a US invasion

Counterintuitive and suspect IMO.

[babylonsister]

33. Or they are asking for the full wrath of a lot of people. nt

[whatchamacallit]

38. But why, what do they gain beyond their own destruction?

It seems to me their main function is provide the necessary outrage to get support for the US escalation.

[babylonsister]

40. They've been around awhile and probably are enjoying

their notoriety...

The Islamic State, still regularly described as ISIL, ISIS or Daʿesh, originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

[Amonester]

39. One thing is for sure.

They're not aspiring for any legitimate UN-member nation to ever recognize their Islamic-State sick fantasy as one that will ever be legit.

No sir. Not even from North Korea... Certainly not from the world's most populous Islamic country (Indonesia) either...

[babylonsister]

42. There's nothing legitimate about them. That's why they are so dangerous. nt

[Amonester]

43. That's also why they are doomed to fail

like we all do (in the long run) as the Earth is actually proceeding to get rid of us (every day of every year).

But we'll be dead before the last days arrive...

[CJCRANE]

51. It's all very predictable

but we just have to watch the drama unfold and listen to our politicians read their lines.

[Major Hogwash]

44. This is extremely sad news.

Now maybe we will actually do something about ISIL.

[TwilightGardener]

46. ??--Are we not doing something about them?