So I'm watching BBC I coverage re another despicable beheading

[malaise]

and the news reader says that responsible social media removed the beheading video.

Is this the same BBC that paraded the bodies of Saddam Hussain's sons and showed us his hanging?

All murder is despicable - being Westerners does not make these acts any more despicable than the horrific murders of Iraqis by America and her allies or the slaughter of innocents by drones.

And they wonder why this planet is in chaos. Change the fugging narrative and condemn all the killing.

[Aerows]

1. Allow me to be the first to reply

A-fuggin-men. Condemn all of the killing. There has got to be a better way.

[malaise]

4. The entire fugging media is the problem

They are subservient to their special interests and that even more despicable word - patriotism.
I can't take one more dose of propaganda - barbarians are on all sides but no one in Iraq or Syria invaded and occupied anywhere in the West.

Every fugging action has a reaction and more bombing will make it worse. We know the truth - we want the oil and every other resource including water. It has nothing to do with anything like freedom or democracy - and anyone int he way will be killed.

[Progressive dog]

6. Boy, you sure know the history of the US

LOL
So you believe no one from the Mideast would do us harm if we'd all just stay where they wanted us to. Then of course we'd better not insult them. And by the way, we should only buy oil from them after the psychopaths control it, because we should fund these scum.
It's amazing to me that this over the top hatred of the USA (and by extension everyone in it) is allowed on an Democratic website. I'm sure tere is not one person in our government who would agree with you.

[malaise]

7. Huh?

[Progressive dog]

11. Read what you wrote

As an American, I find it disgusting and so untrue that I cannot believe the undeserved hatred of America it displays.

[awoke_in_2003]

17. How is it untrue?

Saddam was our man in the middle east- until he nationalized his oil fields. Why did we finally start talking about leaving Iraq once Shell, BP, etc, once they got them back?

[Progressive dog]

45. You need to go back and reread the post

I responded to. The part with the grand we. The part that claims we're trying to steal their water. LOL

[awoke_in_2003]

47. that post said oil, water, and all natural resources

that is what our country does best- exploit other people's resources

[Progressive dog]

48. At one time, not that long ago

the US was a net exporter of oil and other resources. Do you really think that ISIS is not selling the oil (and water???) to whomever will buy it? Perhaps the US should stop exploiting all the rest of the world and stop exporting food. Apparently it would be better in your mind, if we let them starve.

[awoke_in_2003]

57. I don't know how you got...

that I am for our exploiting other people's resources. I was saying that that is what we do, and why so many hate us.

[Progressive dog]

58. Well I didn't get that.

I was commenting on your thinking that buying and selling means exploitation of the seller if the buyer is from the USA.

[msongs]

2. the US blows up entire families using drones. same concept nt

[kwassa]

18. no, not the same concept at all.

The drones are aimed at the leaders of terrorist organizations. The beheadings are of journalists and humanitarian workers of no military significance.

See the difference?

[bullwinkle428]

21. Like those "terrorist wedding parties" that have gotten wiped out by drone strikes?

I'll sure sleep better tonight, knowing they're no longer a threat to me.

[kwassa]

22. Terrorists go to weddings, too.

you think they don't?

[bobduca]

44. Callous one-line apologia for drone murder!

Neat!

[kwassa]

55. Drones work. Callous not. We are at war with these people.

Though we would like to make war surgically neat, it is virtually impossible. If one hangs out with criminals, one takes a risk.

[bobduca]

56. So, maybe you think you are at war with "these people"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/07/nato-air-strike-kills-children-nato-afghanistan_n_3033407.html

Others might disagree with that premise.

[malaise]

26. Who bombed the Al Jazeera building in Iraq

How many non-Western journalists and humanitarian workers of no military significance have we killed?

Change the fugging narrative - all slaughter is slaughter and not only Westerners have the right to life. In the main M$M (inlduing BBC) operate like government and corporate (read MIC) sheeple.

It is our arrogance (we are in their sovereign lands) our bias, our indifference to other lives as long as we get their resources and our no longer credible propaganda that people no longer accept. We have not one drop of moral authority left.

[libdem4life]

49. Facts tend to fall into two categories...convenient and unconvenient.

We war to control other lands. Alas, The American Empire must move forward.

[Progressive dog]

3. So you would prefer they showed it?

[malaise]

5. You missed the entire point

I don't even look at the dead in our families.

[Progressive dog]

8. No I didn't, your point

was that since at one time the BBC showed a hanging, they should show a beheading.
I didn't say you wanted to watch it.

[malaise]

9. Like I said you missed my point

big time.

[Progressive dog]

10. You had no point

[morningfog]

19. You are being obtuse. The point is clear to those

not willfully blind.

[Progressive dog]

39. So you think that you made a point

[morningfog]

40. The OP did. You willfully ignore it.

[Progressive dog]

43. I got that point, it's pretty simple

Let me restate it for you
Executing Saddam and beheading reporters is exactly the same and since BBC showed one they should show the other.
If you have a different version, you should explain what it is.

[mr blur]

53. They did make a point, you are ignoring it. Deliberately?

[Progressive dog]

54. And so you have chosen to tell me what the

point is? Oh I see you haven't.

[99Forever]

12. Sing it Brother, loud and strong.

Killing is killing, even when "the good guys" do it.

[malaise]

13. Sister

[99Forever]

14. My apologies, no ill will intended.

(I think you are awesome)

[malaise]

15. No problem

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. War is cruelty. William Tecumseh Sherman. Whether by drone or knife or IEDs or artillery.

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Gandhi

[malaise]

29. Tell them

Sadly others have the view - 'we are good...everyone else is evil'.

[morningfog]

20. I'd extend it to all innocents killed.

When we refuse to even count the number of innocents killed by our drone strikes, we have lost any moral standing.

These three beheadings are filmed an posted in a way to terrorize, but dead is dead.

Still not worth a war.

[malaise]

30. Precisely

I remember all those dead Iraqi children and mothers, fathers, professionals, ordinary folks- they sure didn't get this coverage. More than that - they didn't even count the Iraqi dead. Dead is dead and all the dead have families - did you see any Iraqi mothers and fathers being interviewed. Not showing them didn't mean these people planned to forgive or forget.

Bushco didn't even allow the coffins of dead American military folks to be photographed or shown on TV.

[Amonester]

23. This planet isn't in chaos (everywhere)...

Depends on where you exist on it, and for how long.

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. Did the BBC show his hanging?

As far as I can tell, they stopped the video before the hanging:

On its Web site, the BBC published the camera phone video, nested in a news report, and alongside a written piece describing its contents. No subtitles with this one, but a BBC reporter narrates the video. Like the CNN clip, the BBC piece cuts before Saddam drops. The network acknowledges that it does not know the origin of the video, but notes that the scene it shows is similar to one described by a witness to the execution.

http://www.poynter.org/uncategorized/79972/weekend-update-coverage-of-the-execution-and-its-aftermath/

As far as his sons goes, the argument was that the US military decision to show the bodies was to prove they were dead: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3088011.stm

[malaise]

32. As far as his sons goes,

the argument was that the US military decision to show the bodies was to prove they were dead:

Others could use the same argument - and that's my point.

By the way cutting it before he dropped made no difference. The invasion and occupation was illegal - he was captured and handed over to the Western selected goons and hanged. The propaganda was on our TVs - see holiday sport - celebrate a killing.

Now put yourself in the place of the people of that country and region.

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. I don't recall the BBC 'celebrating it'

In fact, the general feeling in the UK was that the whole execution was unpleasant.

UK FOREIGN SECRETARY MARGARET BECKETT

In a statement on behalf of the UK government:

"I welcome the fact that Saddam Hussein has been tried by an Iraqi court for at least some of the appalling crimes he committed against the Iraqi people. He has now been held to account.

"The British government does not support the use of the death penalty, in Iraq or anywhere else. We advocate an end to the death penalty worldwide, regardless of the individual or the crime.

"We have made our position very clear to the Iraqi authorities, but we respect their decision as that of a sovereign nation."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6218597.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6221751.stm

"he was captured and handed over to the Western selected goons and hanged" - no, there was a long, Iraqi, trial. Face it, any fair trial would have found him guilty of murder - he was a violent thug who fought his way to the top of his country, and stayed there with violence; what you can dispute is whether there should be a death penalty for it. Iraq, like pretty much every country in the region, has kept the death penalty.

"Others could use the same argument - and that's my point."

I don't get your point. The sons were shown when there was still the possibility of Saddam's faction rallying their supporters. The point was to say "yes, these people really are dead, they're not going to lead their group in a comeback". I don't see who the 'others' are that you say could use the same argument here.

[cali]

25. whatever. It's sad to see people using Haine's death to make points about this or that.

give it a rest.

[CJCRANE]

27. I disagree with you on this one.

They're not showing it because people have been complaining about media and social media hyping the terrorist propaganda.

[malaise]

28. I don't want them to show it

I just don't think that BBC or M$Greedia are in a position to discuss the showing of propaganda and that's my point. They had no problem showing their propaganda. They had no problem showing the hanging of the leader of a sovereign state live on TV after their illegal invasion and occupation. They had no problem showing his dead sons in the street.

They should ask the people of that country and region how they felt about that or is it that only we have feelings and sensitivities. This entire mess was created by Bush, Cheney et al. I hope they now realize that we were not greeted as liberators and will never be seen as anything other than what we are - ruthless self- interested imperialists.

[CJCRANE]

31. I agree with your point but MSM were complicit

in hyping first video.

They got some pushback from the public and family with the second video.

This time it looks like the BBC has taken the family's concerns into account.

I don't think it's about racism in this case. I think the public and families are genuinely pissed off with the MSM showing atrocity videos. Some of us are beginning to wake up to the fact that we are being emotionally manipulated by the terrorists and the media.

[malaise]

33. I think the families have every right to be upset

but as you say there is manipulation on all sides but the Western media had no problem showing atrocities when it suited them.

[CJCRANE]

36. The MSM is propaganda.

That's what it's there for.

And Isis propaganda is MIC propaganda, it's all part of the same thing.

They will keep doing it until we push back and say we won't put up with this BS anymore.

[Shankapotomus]

34. You forget

The news is not responsible social media.

[cali]

35. I find your comparisons spurious. first of all, it's repugnant to implicitly

compare two reporters and a humanitarian worker to Saddam and his sons. You insist on pushing a false narrative that the BBC showed the hanging:

They did not. I won't hope for you correcting yourself, but you should.

Furthermore, showing dead bodies is not the same thing as showing a beheading. And you are all for showing bodies if they support your pov- for instance bodies of children killed in the Gaza bombings.

Your confirmation bias is in the way of critical thinking.

[malaise]

42. BBC and M$M showed everything except the actual hanging

Ask yourself why M$Greedia showed Saddam's dead sons but didn't show the dead children in Iraq or Gaza?

Ask yourself why Bushco wouldn't even allow coffins of dead military to be on TV but would show both Saddam's dead sons and show and celebrate the hanging of a leader of a sovereign country which was illegally invaded and occupied.

And no one is fooling me - when they showed Saddam being led up to the gallows that was enough for most of us.

[Progressive dog]

46. What is up with your obsession with showing

killings and now dead children on TV? You must have missed the times that dead children of Gaza and Iraq were shown on TV.

[still_one]

52. unless it is an editorial they are reporting a specific story, not a comment on killing in

in general.

I also agree with your impressions

[Katashi_itto]

38. What inane tripe.

[spanone]

41. k&r...

[WinkyDink]

50. A decapitated head is. frankly, far more horrifying than your examples. Why else would ISIS do it?

[still_one]

51. They are reporting on a specific news story, not having an editorial on war