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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/world/americas/obama-sees-iraq-resolution-as-a-legal-basis-for-airstrikes-official-says.html?_r=1Congress based its authorization of the Iraq war on the government of Saddam Husseins supposed possession of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. The war evolved into a grinding battle against insurgents before American forces withdrew in 2011, and one of those insurgent groups was Al Qaeda in Iraq, which later renamed itself ISIS.
Legal specialists said the validity of the claim that the Iraq authorization covers ISIS will depend on whether the bombing is a resumption of the old war or the start of a new one. In June, the White House said the Iraq authorization is no longer used for any U.S. government activities.
Ryan Goodman, a New York University law professor, called the theory a stretch and politically awkward because, he said, it amounted to a concession that Mr. Obama was unsuccessful in closing out the conflict.
Not sure how that works for bombing Syria...
Vattel
(9,289 posts)that as CIC he doesn't need the authorization of Congress here. The appeals to AUMFs are supposed to shut up those who disagree with Yoo.
merrily
(45,251 posts)In 2009, two days after taking office, President Barack Obama in Executive Order 13491 repudiated and revoked all legal guidance on interrogation authored by Yoo and his successors in the Office of Legal Counsel between September 11, 2001, and January 20, 2009.[5][6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo
Vattel
(9,289 posts)with Yoo that the president has the authority to create a state of war.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I am not a mind reader, so I don't know what Obama believes or doesn't believe. I am just saying that I don't see any evidence that Obama agrees with Yoo.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)If he simply said the President has the authority to take the nation to war, no one can know which source of authority he is referrring to, an AUMF, general war powers legislation, or authority inherent in the office of the Presidency, which I do not believe the Constitution confers.
If he got more specific about inherent authority to declare war, I'd be very interested to see it. I'd probably contact my Congressional Rep and my Senators about that.
As it is, I think it's unconstitutional for Congress to purport to delegate war powers to the President.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)This indicates to me that they know that their case is extremely weak.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Gotta love DU
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2017065
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
Hell, at the time, Biden claimed that it had not even authorized Dimson's invasion of Iraq because Dimson had not fulfilled all the conditions or some such. I even posted that on another board at the time; and a Republican lawyer, who hated Bush, but not as much as he hated Democrats, I guess, posted the full text of the resolution, without additional comment.
But, the AUMF against Iraq is not the only authorization to use military force of that fateful era.
Authorization for Use of Military Force may refer to:
Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 1991 authorizing the Persian Gulf War, also known as Operation Desert Storm: H.R.J. Res. 77
Authorization for Use of Military Force I, also known as "Public Law No: 10740", authorizes the use of military force against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001
Authorization for Use of Military Force II, also known as "Iraq Resolution", "Iraq War Resolution" and "Public Law No: 107-243"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force
"What was the middle one, again?"
Full text of "the middle one" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Terrorists
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)How unpatriotic of you. Just imagine where this country would be if everyone took words seriously.
(j/k)
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)bvar22 (34,779 posts)
20. Senator Obama, 12-20-2007
The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. ---Senator Obama, 12-20-2007
President Obama in June 2014:
Additionally, the president promised the West Point grads that he would not send them "into harms way simply because I saw a problem somewhere in the world that needed to be fixed, or because I was worried about critics who think military intervention is the only way for America to avoid looking weak. ... America must always lead on the world stage ... but U.S. military action cannot be the onlyor even primarycomponent of our leadership in every instance. Just because we have the best hammer does not mean that every problem is a nail."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/01/1302900/-Obama-Doctrine-Just-because-we-have-the-best-hammer-does-not-mean-that-every-problem-is-a-nail
It was even called the "Obama Doctrine" by some pundits, to distinguish it from the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive war. And yet here we are again.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Or, the current Obama's evil twin.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)if He ever breathes one word against President Jane Harman--just one word
merrily
(45,251 posts)President to start any war without a Congressional vote.
This is 2014. They don't need to ride a horse from Maine to Washington D.C. to vote. They can use the internet.
But when they did have to ride a horse, the Constitution still said they needed to vote.
I guess "imminent" is subject to interpretation. Isn't everything?
tritsofme
(17,370 posts)And they give Obama sufficient authority to take action against ISIL.
The 2001 resolution is very broad, and does empower the president to act in Syria.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)tritsofme
(17,370 posts)You drove me to do some research. I was not aware of the Al-Qeada/ISIL split and the implications it has for the 2001 AUMF, and I see now the administration stands on pretty shaky ground for prolonged conflict in Syria.
For what it's worth, here is the administration's argument: "Based on ISILs longstanding relationship with al-Qaida (AQ) and Usama bin Laden; its long history of conducting, and continued desire to conduct, attacks against U.S. persons and interests, the extensive history of U.S. combat operations against Isil dating back to the time the group first affiliated with AQ in 2004; and Isils position - supported by some individual members and factions of AQ-aligned groups - that it is the true inheritor of Usama bin Ladens legacy, the President may rely on the 2001 AUMF as statutory authority for the use of force against Isil, notwithstanding the recent public split between AQs senior leadership and Isil."
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)thing on Obama, and hang him out to dry.....?