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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:11 PM Sep 2014

In His First Appearance On Meet The Press, Bernie Sanders Terrifies The Koch Brothers

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/09/14/appearance-meet-press-bernie-sanders-terrifies-koch-brothers.html

Sen. Sanders said, “Chuck, I think Citizens United will go down in history as one of the worst Supreme Court decisions ever. I think it is opening up the road to oligarchy in the United States of America, where the billionaires like the Koch brothers….left or right, but it’s mostly right let’s be clear.”

Sanders continued, “The Koch brothers are going to spend $400 million. Do you know what their agenda is? Do you know what they believe in? Let me tell you what they believe in. This is what they told us. They want to end Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. More tax breaks for the rich and large corporations. Nobody in America wants that except the billionaire class, and yet they are now able to put hundreds of billions of dollars into the political process. This is a real danger to American democracy.”

Sen. Sanders talked about the profound anger in the country among Democrats and Republicans, and the fact that the candidate who can talk about middle-class issues will do pretty well....

The Koch agenda getting called out on the most mainstream of corporate media institutions was a big deal. It was also a sign the Citizens United is becoming a bigger issue. Sen. Sanders and others on the left have been good at connecting the dots. If voters want to know why their members of Congress aren’t listening to them and doing things that they oppose, the answer is Citizens United.
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In His First Appearance On Meet The Press, Bernie Sanders Terrifies The Koch Brothers (Original Post) KamaAina Sep 2014 OP
I doubt the Koch are terrified still_one Sep 2014 #1
Why say that? RobertEarl Sep 2014 #9
The Koch have unlimited resources and money at their beckon call. I never said they cannot be still_one Sep 2014 #50
They are gonna lose million$ wasted. RobertEarl Sep 2014 #67
They make much more than they will lose. This headline I pure hyperbola still_one Sep 2014 #68
The headline rocks! RobertEarl Sep 2014 #69
Ok still_one Sep 2014 #71
I actually agree... SoapBox Sep 2014 #17
In the last election maindawg Sep 2014 #49
absolutely correct, but that doesn't mean they are "terrified" of Bernie or any Democrat still_one Sep 2014 #51
You are SO right. mimi85 Sep 2014 #57
Yup. If Bernie had a few billion dollars to fight them, they might get worried. progressoid Sep 2014 #19
They will fight him, or any Democrat tooth and nail, but I think the OPs characterization as still_one Sep 2014 #53
It's a typical Jason Easley headline (n/t) thesquanderer Sep 2014 #24
I think the Koch's live in fear, or they wouldn't do what they do. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #27
I think they're terrified every second of their miserable lives. tridim Sep 2014 #43
They are ideologue for a extreme right wing policy. The family has had a john birch connection for still_one Sep 2014 #54
Maybe not, but if one of them writes another whiney editorial BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #60
I believe Bernie will run as a Democrat and he can win. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #2
yes, i agree he can win as a democrat hopemountain Sep 2014 #36
That is the only way he can possibly win. If he runs as an independent there is no way still_one Sep 2014 #55
Precisely and I believe Bernie is realistic enough to know that. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #56
Lets be honest. mimi85 Sep 2014 #58
I tend to agree with you, however, that same belief was thrown at Barrack Obama, and something still_one Sep 2014 #63
That takes me to my OP and thread of self-fulfilling prophecies and the American Peoples' Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #70
If Bernie was smart azureblue Sep 2014 #66
Madame Guillotine meet the Brothers Koch. Raster Sep 2014 #3
Men without hats? I heard of them. riqster Sep 2014 #4
Because your friends don't dance, and if they don't dance, KamaAina Sep 2014 #6
Ahhh ... Emma Goldman! ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #15
The Kochs' "safety dance" won't be safe much longer.... cascadiance Sep 2014 #23
Koch Brothers on the tumbril carts. Forget Meet the Press. Meet the National Razor. kairos12 Sep 2014 #21
Connect all the dots...money...mass media..unlimited political secret money..ad buys...the agendas Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #5
And all Chucky got out of that entire interview was that Bernie would not discuss Hillary. jillan Sep 2014 #7
So true. Thank you. JDPriestly Sep 2014 #8
yep ;-) ~nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #10
Changed the channel when the panel started talking about Bernie Califa Sep 2014 #11
That's their purpose, to ridicule truth-tellers. arcane1 Sep 2014 #13
Of course it is. Thank you. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #35
sadly true. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #37
This is the corporate media's MO FlatStanley Sep 2014 #14
Glenn Greenwald wrote a very interesting piece in Salon on this topic: Maedhros Sep 2014 #30
Thanks for the link. Every DUer should read this... radiclib Sep 2014 #38
This should be an OP. roody Sep 2014 #44
I thought Chuck Toad was very rude and disrespectful. I wanted Bernie to answer Toad with, Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #18
Bernie swatted away every attempt like they were mere gnats, too :) arcane1 Sep 2014 #28
It's a good strategy, run against the Right Wing Agenda, not against anyone else. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #45
Exactly, and it's how Bernie can start an actual conversation about what's Nay Sep 2014 #64
I can't WAIT to watch this! arcane1 Sep 2014 #12
K&R ReRe Sep 2014 #16
I hope the Kochs are shivering in their million dollar endangered tiger fur boots. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #20
Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Initech Sep 2014 #22
Any comment from Clinton re. Sen. Sanders' analysis? Smarmie Doofus Sep 2014 #25
Hillary will be silent, she takes their money Kilgore Sep 2014 #40
Well...that list goes back to 2006. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2014 #41
Bernie is spot on. bigwillq Sep 2014 #26
Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Sep 2014 #29
"..left or right, but it’s mostly right let’s be clear.” Good on Bernie making the distinction! Cha Sep 2014 #31
You will recall that after Howard Dean took on the media establishment, he was drummed out ladjf Sep 2014 #32
IF we can register enough average American dotymed Sep 2014 #61
I agree with you completely. A word of caution, don't under estimate the ruthlessness ladjf Sep 2014 #62
We have to overturn Citizens United for the very survival of the nation. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #33
I want people to talk more about how they are poisoning the world. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #34
"Stay safe" EEO Sep 2014 #39
K&R NealK Sep 2014 #42
Bernie "scares" far more than just the Koch brothers. He directly challenges the indemic Pay-To-Play NorthCarolina Sep 2014 #46
Do us all a favor and use the title of the dang article Android3.14 Sep 2014 #47
That is the title of the article. Click on the link and read the article Autumn Sep 2014 #48
Yes, the source uses those kind of titles Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #52
I was absolutely surprised and delighted tartan2 Sep 2014 #59
citizens united is a sign of extreme corruption in my opinion samsingh Sep 2014 #65
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
9. Why say that?
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:12 PM
Sep 2014

It seems rather uninformed given that Bernie has exposed the Kochs on national tv as wanting to take away good government programs. Kochs are spending millions of dollars to get their way, and heretofore were flying under the radar.

Now comes Bernie. He has fired a missile into their flight path and any thing Kochs do will be seen as running scared, dripping political blood.

The US media are like sharks drawn to blood. So the Kochs will be relegated to scurrying back into the dark, only soon to have to face more missiles like those from Bernie and the rest of us looking for any angle to draw more blood from the Kochs via boycotts and standing up to them and their politics.

Of course, if one believe the Kochs can not be defeated, then they will sell Bernie short and claim the Kochs are too powerful to be contained?

still_one

(92,061 posts)
50. The Koch have unlimited resources and money at their beckon call. I never said they cannot be
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:12 PM
Sep 2014

defeated, and the 2008 election demonstrated that. I said I doubt the Koch brothers are terrified of Bernie or any Democrat for that matter.

The Koch brothers are quite ruthless, and ruthless people do not get "terrified"

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
67. They are gonna lose million$ wasted.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 02:22 PM
Sep 2014

You ever see a cornered rat? That would be the Koch's position.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
69. The headline rocks!
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:05 PM
Sep 2014

Screw the Kochs. Reid has been on their asses, and now brave Bernie. Maybe the rest of the senate will get brave and help defeat Kochs? That Koch stuff is bad for you. Read it right here on DU and their products are now boycotted, whereas two years ago, whodathunkit?

Kochs are going down, man. And they know it, man. Gigs up. They probably have lost a few million already just due to DU. Everyone's onboard and were gonna get 'er dun.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
17. I actually agree...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:53 PM
Sep 2014

I doubt the KKKoch Brothers are terrified. They are too well insulated from the voices of us little people and hugely arrogant due to their wealth.

The only thing that is going to get their startled attention, is when their money-bought-and-paid-for-puppets...lose, all over the place. I say that is what will terrify them.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
49. In the last election
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:43 AM
Sep 2014

Rethugs tied to Koch all lost huge. The teabaggers, remember them? Everyone knew they were the Koch stooges and they all lost.
Now people still know that the Kochs will run teabaggers again desquised as rethugs and they will lose. Hopefully.

progressoid

(49,951 posts)
19. Yup. If Bernie had a few billion dollars to fight them, they might get worried.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:28 PM
Sep 2014

But for now, they have an open road.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
53. They will fight him, or any Democrat tooth and nail, but I think the OPs characterization as
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:16 PM
Sep 2014

"terrified" is not how I would describe the Koch brothers attitude toward Bernie or any Democrat

You are right also that a few billion would make it easier for Bernie to fight the lies and misinformation that I am sure the Koch brother's will spread if Bernie is the Democratic nominee


tridim

(45,358 posts)
43. I think they're terrified every second of their miserable lives.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:44 AM
Sep 2014

People who are content don't spend billions trying to change reality.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
54. They are ideologue for a extreme right wing policy. The family has had a john birch connection for
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:18 PM
Sep 2014

years.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
60. Maybe not, but if one of them writes another whiney editorial
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:33 PM
Sep 2014

in the New York Times, we'll know Bernie's hit a nerve.
The Kochs are like cockroaches, they don't like the light.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
36. yes, i agree he can win as a democrat
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:46 PM
Sep 2014

as he said the candidate who wins will speak to the middle class. i don't see any of the other potential democratic hopefuls able to do that as powerfully - except for joe biden - should he decide to run.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
58. Lets be honest.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:28 PM
Sep 2014

No way on earth that Bernie will get the nomination. Love him, but he's too old and too polarizing.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
63. I tend to agree with you, however, that same belief was thrown at Barrack Obama, and something
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 01:31 PM
Sep 2014

happened, in spite of the big money behind Hillary at the time

Regardless, if Bernie was part of the debates it would at least keep the candidates focused, and actually could make Hillary not only a better candidate if she runs, but also more receptive to other points of view

Uncle Joe

(58,297 posts)
70. That takes me to my OP and thread of self-fulfilling prophecies and the American Peoples'
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:11 PM
Sep 2014

awareness.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025542300


As for his age, that depends on his mental faculties remaining sharp, I believe they are now.

Regarding the issue of polarizing, 72% of Americans disapprove of the Republican Congress and Bernie is the least Republican.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
23. The Kochs' "safety dance" won't be safe much longer....
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:03 PM
Sep 2014

... and if Bernie Sanders were to run and win, then "Pop goes the world!!!"

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. Connect all the dots...money...mass media..unlimited political secret money..ad buys...the agendas
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:38 PM
Sep 2014

of folks who drop hundreds of millions of dollars without limit, in secrecy and protected by the mass media that relies on all those corporate and political ads.

The connections are actually pretty easy.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
7. And all Chucky got out of that entire interview was that Bernie would not discuss Hillary.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:44 PM
Sep 2014

That is one of the things I love the most about Bernie.

When he speaks it is to speak out about issues that are important to him
If he speaks of another person it is to discuss facts about that person - quotes from their speeches, how they voted, where they put their money.

But to gossip? He won't go there.

Bernie is a class act and a fighter for democracy and fairness.

Califa

(27 posts)
11. Changed the channel when the panel started talking about Bernie
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:34 PM
Sep 2014

behind his back. They laughed at him, put him down and dismissed Bernie as if a joke. For the most part I don't watch those shows but love Bernie so I watched but then changed the channel to the Alien conspiracy show on the history channel that has more truth than any Sunday morning political panel discussion.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
35. Of course it is. Thank you.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:57 PM
Sep 2014

NBC and the rest have absolutely no interest in fairly debating the issues.

They have an agenda. That agenda is to promote the interests of the ultra wealthy and corporations at the expense of the American people.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
14. This is the corporate media's MO
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:45 PM
Sep 2014

Mock strong progressive legislators and provide gravitas for teabagging bozos.

Sanders will be Kuciniched and, sadly, Dems will participate in this exercise.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
30. Glenn Greenwald wrote a very interesting piece in Salon on this topic:
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:13 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.salon.com/2012/03/10/dennis_kucinich_and_wackiness/

So let’s recap the state of mental health in establishment Democratic circles: the President who claims (and exercises) the power to target American citizens for execution-by-CIA in total secrecy and with no charges — as well as those who dutifully follow him — are sane, sober and Serious, meriting great respect. By contrast, one of the very few members of Congress who stands up and vehemently objects to this most radical power — “The idea that the United States has the ability to summarily execute a US citizen ought to send chills racing up and down the spines of every person of conscience” — is a total wackjob, meriting patronizing mockery.

Both the Prospect and Post recite the trite case demonstrating Kucinich’s supposed weirdness. He’s friends with Shirley McLaine, who believes in reincarnation, and he once (according to McLaine) claimed to have an encounter with a UFO. Is any of that really any more strange than the litany of beliefs which the world’s major religions require? Is Barack Obama “wacky” because he claims to believe that Jesus turned water into wine, rose from the dead and will soon welcome him to heaven? Is Chuck Schumer bizarre because he seems to believe that there’s some big fatherly figure sitting in the sky who spewed fire and brimstone at those who broke the laws he sent down on some stones and now hovers over him judging his every move? Is Harry Reid a weirdo because he apparently venerates as divine the “visions” of a man who had dozens of wives, including some already married to other men?

Neither the Prospect nor the Post would ever dare mock as “wacky” the belief in invisible judgmental father-figures in the sky or that rendition of life-after-death gospel because those belief systems have been deemed acceptable by establishment circles. ”Wacky”, like its close cousin “crazy,” is a term of establishment derision exclusively reserved for those who deviate from such conventions. And that’s the point worth making here: the real reason anyone with D.C. Seriousness, including many establishment liberals, relished mocking Kucinich is because he dissented from the orthodoxies of the two political parties. That, by definition, makes one wacky and weird, even when — as is true for the Obama assassination powers and so many other bipartisan pieties — the actual wacky and crazy beliefs are those orthodoxies themselves (we’ve seen this repeatedly with those who stray from two-party normalcy). In reality, the actual crazies are those who fit comfortably within that two-party mentality and rarely challenge or deviate from it, while those who are sane, by definition, dissent from it (just today, the Super Serious Democratic Sen. Carl Levin, a prime co-sponsor of the indefinite detention bill passed late last year, called for a naval blockade of Iran).


I find Sanders a lot less wacky than the majority of Democrats inside the Beltway.

radiclib

(1,811 posts)
38. Thanks for the link. Every DUer should read this...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 09:48 PM
Sep 2014

..Oh, wait. Asshat Libertarian messenger! Never mind..

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
18. I thought Chuck Toad was very rude and disrespectful. I wanted Bernie to answer Toad with,
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:12 PM
Sep 2014

"Well you should have booked her on your show instead of me!" Bernie is too classy for that, but to sit there and try to use Bernie to create a controversy for Hillary instead of asking questions about Bernie running was the ultimate disrespect.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
45. It's a good strategy, run against the Right Wing Agenda, not against anyone else.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:59 AM
Sep 2014

If Hillary wants to run against Bernie Sanders the person, she can.

But Bernie will be running against bad ideas, bad policies, and bad government.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
64. Exactly, and it's how Bernie can start an actual conversation about what's
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 01:39 PM
Sep 2014

going on in this country and short-circuit the damned gossip and blather that has been passing for serious discussion.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
16. K&R
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:48 PM
Sep 2014

Bernie needs to run! What's he got to loose? Nothing! Let's put it this way: It's now or never. And I hope he announces soon, as no one else has announced yet.
He could have the limelight until Hillary and others come out in January.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
20. I hope the Kochs are shivering in their million dollar endangered tiger fur boots.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:33 PM
Sep 2014

Give 'me hell Harry Reid is taking the Kochs behind the wood shed too.

GO Bernie, GO!

Kilgore

(1,733 posts)
40. Hillary will be silent, she takes their money
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:57 PM
Sep 2014

Why should she bite the hand that gives her cash?
Go see for yourself at,

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/obama-biden-schumer-and-hillary-clinton-took-koch-brothers-money

Notice Bernie IS NOT on the list!!

Go Bernie!!




 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
41. Well...that list goes back to 2006.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 01:40 AM
Sep 2014

I'm not sure how many people were heads-up about the Koch bros on those days.

Not to defend Clinton.....I can't stand her..... but I really don't think that 3500 dollars is going to sway her much.

Interestingly... only two senate DEMs took Koch money in 2014. ( Pryor was one; can't remember the other.)

Almost all their DC donations go to GOPers now.

I'd still like to hear her respond to Sanders, though. What COULD she say?

Cha

(296,862 posts)
31. "..left or right, but it’s mostly right let’s be clear.” Good on Bernie making the distinction!
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:43 PM
Sep 2014
"The Koch agenda getting called out on the most mainstream of corporate media institutions was a big deal. It was also a sign the Citizens United is becoming a bigger issue. Sen. Sanders and others on the left have been good at connecting the dots. If voters want to know why their members of Congress aren’t listening to them and doing things that they oppose, the answer is Citizens United."

Mahalo KamaAina

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
32. You will recall that after Howard Dean took on the media establishment, he was drummed out
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:49 PM
Sep 2014

of the Presidential campaign by distorted TV clips that claimed to show that he was some how irrational.

Within days, the public found out that the noise of the screaming crowd at his press conference was filtered out making it seem as though Dr. Dean was talking very loud for no logical reason. In fact, he was enthusiastically talking to his supporters in a crowed hotel ball room. But, by that time they had already sabotaged his campaign.,

Sen. Sanders has gone much further in attacking the oligarchs than Gov. Dean did. Somehow, the American people will need to recognize if and when Sen. Sanders is assailed by those who fear the power of his message.

America desperately needs an honest, knowledgeable and courageous person to lead us out of the worst political mess in our history. Many of us feel that the Senator meets those requirements. I suggest that we fight for him, support him and vote for him.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
61. IF we can register enough average American
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 01:04 PM
Sep 2014

voters and keep them informed of the lengths the PTB will go to, to eliminate Bernies rationality, we may stand a chance. God I hope so. IMO, Bernie is the catalyst that this nation desperately needs.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
62. I agree with you completely. A word of caution, don't under estimate the ruthlessness
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 01:12 PM
Sep 2014

of the crooks on the money side. They can and do anything to thwart obstacles to the complete control of power.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
33. We have to overturn Citizens United for the very survival of the nation.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:51 PM
Sep 2014

If the Koch Brothers stand in our way the American people will be forced to boycott their products, their corporations.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
46. Bernie "scares" far more than just the Koch brothers. He directly challenges the indemic Pay-To-Play
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:36 AM
Sep 2014

establishment in DC. Trading votes for gold to benefit the 1% has become the ideal in American little "d" democracy, and it makes our elected officials amongst the wealthiest in the world. Bernie directly, and more importantly Verbally, threatens that establishment. Those in power are not going to give up their cushy meal ticket willingly.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
47. Do us all a favor and use the title of the dang article
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:36 AM
Sep 2014

There is no indication that Sanders is terrifying the Koch brothers.

Autumn

(44,984 posts)
48. That is the title of the article. Click on the link and read the article
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:41 AM
Sep 2014

that's the actual title of the dang article.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
52. Yes, the source uses those kind of titles
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:14 PM
Sep 2014

It's annoying. I can usually tell it's a politicsusa link just by the thread title.

tartan2

(314 posts)
59. I was absolutely surprised and delighted
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:30 PM
Sep 2014

when I saw the political tv ad exposing Teri Lynn Land and her connection to the Koch Industries. The ad goes after the Koch Brother/Industries and shows their ties to Teri Lynn Land.

samsingh

(17,593 posts)
65. citizens united is a sign of extreme corruption in my opinion
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 01:46 PM
Sep 2014

i would expect such a decision by a dictatorship

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