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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 07:03 AM Sep 2014

Noam Chomsky: Why Americans Know So Much About Sports But So Little About World Affairs

http://www.alternet.org/noam-chomsky-why-americans-know-so-much-about-sports-so-little-about-world-affairs

The following is a short excerpt from a classic from Noam Chomsky's many published works, The Chomsky Reader, which offers a unique insight on a question worth asking -- how is it that we as a people can be so knowledgable about the intricacies of various sports teams, yet be colossally ignorant about our various undertakings abroad?

QUESTION: You've written about the way that professional ideologists and the mandarins obfuscate reality. And you have spoken -- in some places you call it a "Cartesian common sense" -- of the commonsense capacities of people. Indeed, you place a significant emphasis on this common sense when you reveal the ideological aspects of arguments, especially in contemporary social science. What do you mean by common sense? What does it mean in a society like ours? For example, you've written that within a highly competitive, fragmented society, it's very difficult for people to become aware of what their interests are. If you are not able to participate in the political system in meaningful ways, if you are reduced to the role of a passive spectator, then what kind of knowledge do you have? How can common sense emerge in this context?

CHOMSKY: Well, let me give an example. When I'm driving, I sometimes turn on the radio and I find very often that what I'm listening to is a discussion of sports. These are telephone conversations. People call in and have long and intricate discussions, and it's plain that quite a high degree of thought and analysis is going into that. People know a tremendous amount. They know all sorts of complicated details and enter into far-reaching discussion about whether the coach made the right decision yesterday and so on. These are ordinary people, not professionals, who are applying their intelligence and analytic skills in these areas and accumulating quite a lot of knowledge and, for all I know, understanding. On the other hand, when I hear people talk about, say, international affairs or domestic problems, it's at a level of superficiality that's beyond belief.

In part, this reaction may be due to my own areas of interest, but I think it's quite accurate, basically. And I think that this concentration on such topics as sports makes a certain degree of sense. The way the system is set up, there is virtually nothing people can do anyway, without a degree of organization that's far beyond anything that exists now, to influence the real world. They might as well live in a fantasy world, and that's in fact what they do. I'm sure they are using their common sense and intellectual skills, but in an area which has no meaning and probably thrives because it has no meaning, as a displacement from the serious problems which one cannot influence and affect because the power happens to lie elsewhere.

Now it seems to me that the same intellectual skill and capacity for understanding and for accumulating evidence and gaining information and thinking through problems could be used -- would be used -- under different systems of governance which involve popular participation in important decision-making, in areas that really matter to human life.
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Noam Chomsky: Why Americans Know So Much About Sports But So Little About World Affairs (Original Post) xchrom Sep 2014 OP
I could answer that question, but my reply would probably be hidden. Go figure. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #1
Why would it be hidden? I can't really see what in answer to that question el_bryanto Sep 2014 #9
We have a significant number of sports fans. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #10
That's true - and I know that we do have sports fans here el_bryanto Sep 2014 #11
Oh hell, I'm a sports fan but I wouldn't be offended. navarth Sep 2014 #49
Believe it or not, a significant number of alerts are voted down 7-0. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #50
There is money to be made from sports fans PNW_Dem Sep 2014 #43
The first Super Bowl tickets cost just $6.00. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #46
You have all of that right. And I notice sports reporters seem sharper and more willing and able to Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #47
Bread and circuses is exactly what came to mind when I read the ttitle of the OP Turborama Sep 2014 #60
I probably know more about sports than anything else really JonLP24 Sep 2014 #2
K & R for America's greatest living philosopher! RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #3
No surprise here: he makes a brilliant observation. Old Crow Sep 2014 #4
+1. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #14
Our media has taboos Billy Budd Sep 2014 #5
The media doesnt say that about Ukraine because its B.S. promulgated by Russian apologists stevenleser Sep 2014 #61
It's the exact same thing in Australia Buddha2B Sep 2014 #6
My dad frequently observed that local newspapers devote a page to local high school atheletes phantom power Sep 2014 #8
Great points, but to be fair merrily Sep 2014 #7
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #12
Replace America with the name of ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD Bad Thoughts Sep 2014 #13
Americans are as poorly informed about sports as they are about world affairs mathematic Sep 2014 #15
^^ This ^^ dumbcat Sep 2014 #30
Well said...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #32
Exactly!!!!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #37
I think one of his major points still stands. F4lconF16 Sep 2014 #39
Sports has replaced religion as the opiate of the masses. Scuba Sep 2014 #16
Sports talk on radio and TV is baffling. Endless discussion among LeftinOH Sep 2014 #17
it is pathetic Skittles Sep 2014 #51
We could ban sports as a start. Progressive dog Sep 2014 #18
That's what you got out of what Chomksy said? YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #27
That was all there was to get, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #29
Thank you! Chomsky does not speak for me. n/t SylviaD Sep 2014 #54
45 Years of Monday Night Football Octafish Sep 2014 #19
One of many sponsors hootinholler Sep 2014 #26
k/r marmar Sep 2014 #20
I think, though, that it's something for many ... LisaLynne Sep 2014 #21
Sometimes Chomsky is just an elitist idiot. aikoaiko Sep 2014 #22
Most people probably don't know anything about anything The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #23
Great post. YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #28
I like most of your post F4lconF16 Sep 2014 #53
One of the most intelligent and true posts I have ever read. Bravo. n/t SylviaD Sep 2014 #55
One of the international channels did a piece about the KoKo Sep 2014 #24
Because malaise Sep 2014 #25
. snagglepuss Sep 2014 #31
Are we any different than other countries? LittleBlue Sep 2014 #33
Exactly. HuckleB Sep 2014 #36
Pathetic. n/t Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #66
Indeed. n/t HuckleB Sep 2014 #67
Eagles are looking good this year, Mr. Chomsky. (nt) Inkfreak Sep 2014 #34
They were amazing last night. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #44
Has Chomsky ever been anywhere else in the world? HuckleB Sep 2014 #35
It's a world wide problem. ozone_man Sep 2014 #48
LOL! HuckleB Sep 2014 #56
Sports is the new religion. ozone_man Sep 2014 #62
So, music, movies, books, gardening, are all religions? HuckleB Sep 2014 #65
I'm the opposite JI7 Sep 2014 #38
Excellent post. Noam is always so astute despite not exactly being the best speaker. Populist_Prole Sep 2014 #40
Insightful Analysis Martin Eden Sep 2014 #41
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #42
Keith Olbermann has the best sports program. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #45
"The way the system is set up, there is virtually nothing people can do anyway. . . " ucrdem Sep 2014 #52
"Stay home and tend to your garden" < Your attempt to deflect what he said, not what he said. jtuck004 Sep 2014 #58
"there is virtually nothing people can do." That's Chomsky in a nutshell. Ipse dixit. nt ucrdem Sep 2014 #59
Those I know who are really into sports bet on the games. nt OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #57
Chomsky doesn't know enough about sports... SidDithers Sep 2014 #63
he admits he doesn't know Enrique Sep 2014 #64
Exactly! (And how dare those who do have hobbies!!!) HuckleB Sep 2014 #68
Exactly my understanding, people go where they can be effective... congress...us gov... not so much uponit7771 Sep 2014 #69
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. I could answer that question, but my reply would probably be hidden. Go figure.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 07:21 AM
Sep 2014

Bread and Circuses.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
9. Why would it be hidden? I can't really see what in answer to that question
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:07 AM
Sep 2014

would be hidden.

"Because Americans are morons?" That would provoke a reaction but I doubt it would be hidden.

Bryant

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
10. We have a significant number of sports fans.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:13 AM
Sep 2014

Good for them, I like board games, but sometimes some fans become aggressive and protective and defensive of their preferred pasttime.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
11. That's true - and I know that we do have sports fans here
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:16 AM
Sep 2014

I suppose you could get a jury made up of them.

Bryant

navarth

(5,927 posts)
49. Oh hell, I'm a sports fan but I wouldn't be offended.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:11 PM
Sep 2014

It would be extremely dickish to attack you if you say that sports are bread and circuses. They are!!!

I will always say GO LIONS but I consider it of extremely low importance compared with the problems we face. I don't let it keep me from the fight.

You would be quite correct to make your point but I doubt that DU sports fans would be offended. I would be surprised by that.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
50. Believe it or not, a significant number of alerts are voted down 7-0.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:14 PM
Sep 2014

I wouldn't call them dickish, not publicly, because some of them are made for reasons of personal differences.

Ask some of the frequent posters in the History of Feminism group, for example.

In my case, I support the Second Amendment and the others in the Bill of Rights, and posters have said repeatedly that I should be banned, or barred from hosting, or both, and worse.

That's transparency!

PNW_Dem

(119 posts)
43. There is money to be made from sports fans
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 06:06 PM
Sep 2014

I am surprised that Chomsky overlooked the most important factor. I only read the excerpt so maybe he didn’t. The point being that televised sports have been optimized over the years to maximize revenue. Getting sports fans deeply involved with your product is the objective and is hugely profitable for Corporate America. The few of us geeks who’d prefer to follow politics and world affairs are not.

American football is the best example by far. For example, in a three hour game, the ball is typically in play for less than 20 minutes. This tempo is the result of decades of optimization to generate ad revenue. Remember when they used to call it the “TV time out”? On an unrelated note, it’s also the reason why soccer will never be as popular (i.e. covered on TV).

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
47. You have all of that right. And I notice sports reporters seem sharper and more willing and able to
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:01 PM
Sep 2014

ask good and penetrating questions than political reporters.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
60. Bread and circuses is exactly what came to mind when I read the ttitle of the OP
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:07 AM
Sep 2014

Glad to see it in the 1st response and a couple of others. Great minds, etc etc...

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
2. I probably know more about sports than anything else really
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 07:37 AM
Sep 2014

It is actually the economics that fascinate me more than anything and it isn't limited to just sports. In fact just last night I was up late researching Pac-12 Network, Directv, Dish, SEC & Big Ten Network, AT&T, media consolidation, Time Warner & Comcast, Netflix. I could research economics for hours because the 1 economics course I took was so fascinating and enlightening to the way it works and the way it should be and there is a lot in sports that shouldn't even be allowed economically and feel that's where criticisms should be directed but aren't and the goes for a lot of other industries.

For example, the most common complaint to the FCC over the proposed AT&T & Directv merger is customers were afraid of losing their local rural channel (Fox, ABC, etc)

If you turn to a sports radio channel, don't be surprised if you hear sports commentary.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
4. No surprise here: he makes a brilliant observation.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:26 AM
Sep 2014

Namely: Since the populace is excluded from having any ability to influence national policy vis-a-vis world affairs, they're doing the rational thing--applying their attention and reasoning skills to the fantasy world of professional sports. Why bother figuring out something real if you know, or have the clear sense, that no matter how well you figure it out, the powers-that-be couldn't care less about your opinion?

 

Billy Budd

(310 posts)
5. Our media has taboos
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:40 AM
Sep 2014

Ukraine and neo-Nazis

Ever since serious protest broke out in Ukraine in February the Western mainstream media, particularly in the United States, has seriously downplayed the fact that the usual suspects – the US/European Union/NATO triumvirate – have been on the same side as the neo-Nazis.

also
Israel cannot ever for any reason whatsoever be even slightly criticized in US media...whoever dares to try it gets fired and bllacklisted.........

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
61. The media doesnt say that about Ukraine because its B.S. promulgated by Russian apologists
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:14 AM
Sep 2014
http://archive.adl.org/russia/russian_political_antisemitism_3.html#.VBkSZfldWSo

http://www.adl.org/press-center/c/russia-plays-the-anti-semitism-card.html

For the Anti-Defamation League, we like to say that it is as important when we say something is not anti-Semitism as when say it is. This is partly a moral principle of getting it right and partly a pragmatic perspective, a matter of credibility, wanting leaders and individuals to stand up when real anti-Semitism arises and not be turned off by false claims.

That is why it is so important to say that Russia's claims about anti-Semitism in Ukraine's revolution are simply not true. They are an effort to delegitimize the actions of the Ukrainian people and to win sympathy for Russia's defiance of international law
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26786213

Russian Jews fear anti-Semitism amid Crimea fervour
By Stephen Ennis
Members of Russia's Jewish community are voicing concern about tolerance of anti-Semitism in the media and other areas of public life, amid patriotic fervour generated by the Sochi Olympics and annexation of Crimea.

One state TV presenter even accused Jews of helping to bring about the Holocaust.
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Evelina Zakamskaya, a presenter on state-owned news channel Rossiya 24, also got into a Holocaust controversy over a remark she made in an interview with Aleksandr Prokhanov, editor of the nationalist newspaper Zavtra.

Speaking about Jews who supported the "fascist" opponents of Mr Yanukovych in Ukraine, Prokhanov said: "Don't they realise that with their own hands they are hastening a second Holocaust?"

To which Zakamskaya replied: "They also hastened the first one."

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/the-new-russian-anti-semitism/480498.html

The New Russian Anti-Semitism
By Victor DavidoffMay. 27 2013 00:00 Last edited 18:17

Sometimes you're sorry that the Nazis didn't turn the ancestors of today's liberals into lampshades."

That shocking phrase wasn't printed in an obscure neo-Nazi newsletter but was the subheading of an article in the web version of one of the country's most widely read newspapers, Komsomolskaya Pravda. The author, Ulyana Skoibeda, is also widely read and notorious. She first came into the public eye when she proposed euthanizing newborn infants with disabilities and then took the spotlight with her fight for "racial purity" in the Russian state. She criticized the practice of inviting African soccer players into Russian teams and said "foreign citizens" like journalist Vladimir Pozner and writer Mikhail ­Veller, should be banned from television. Not long ago, Skoibeda got another 15 minutes of fame when she demanded that a text by the Russian writer Dina Rubina should not be used in a nationwide contest because "a citizen of Israel has no right to teach us" about Russia. Skoibeda, with the help of the popular newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda, has helped take the centuries-old phenomenon of anti-­Semitism mainstream.

This time Skoibeda's ire was ignited by a post on LiveJournal by the liberal politician Leonid Gozman, who also happens to be Jewish, like most of the other subjects of Skoibeda's attacks. Gozman wrote a critical post about the television series "SMERSH," an acronym for the Soviet wartime military counterintelligence agency, because it portrayed the agency's activities in a rosy light.
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Russia is notoriously the most antisemitic country in eastern europe. Nothing has changed that.

Buddha2B

(116 posts)
6. It's the exact same thing in Australia
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:48 AM
Sep 2014

Frankly I think Noam is being generous.

I grew up a sickly overweight asthmatic kid forced to compete in sports at school because that was the done thing. I watched as those who won the genetic/physical lottery were celebrated, and saw the brainy kids being marginalized.

After school I realized it wasn't enough to have brains, you need wealth to get an education. You need support.

Sports gets both.

Meanwhile the current government here has dismantled Science funding and for the first time in 70 years there is no science minister. But a Brisbane football oval got funds to build an amenities block.

Bread and circuses.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
8. My dad frequently observed that local newspapers devote a page to local high school atheletes
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:03 AM
Sep 2014

There is no corresponding page for local high school honor students.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
7. Great points, but to be fair
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:49 AM
Sep 2014

I know next to nothing about sports. I may know much more than I care to about sports figures, and things like taxpayers subsidizing or building sports stadiums, but "Who's on first," will probably stump me--unless we're talking Abbott and Costello.

Bad Thoughts

(2,522 posts)
13. Replace America with the name of ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:18 AM
Sep 2014

I would like Americans to know more about global affairs, but Chomsky is naive to believe that this is a problemthat is uniquely American. I spend lots of time abroad (in Strasbourg, especially, which has numerous embassies and consulates and a large university), and I have many great conversations about policy. Nonetheless, when I go to a bar or pub, there will be people talking about football, or handball, or basketball ...

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
15. Americans are as poorly informed about sports as they are about world affairs
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:19 AM
Sep 2014

Chomsky tunes into sports radio and thinks the conversation represents an informed analysis. But he doesn't know anything about sports so he's not actually able to make that assessment. The average sports talk radio has the quality of the worst Fox News show. It's terrible.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
30. ^^ This ^^
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:50 AM
Sep 2014

Chomsky is not qualified to judge the level of discourse about sports. His comments are meaningless. But his comments on the level of discourse on world affairs is informed and most likely correct.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
39. I think one of his major points still stands.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:41 PM
Sep 2014

Even if his assesment of how much sports fans actually know is off, the energy devoted to analysis, however poor, is still a lot. Far more than is devoted to analysis of their own situation and political/economic/foreign policy.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
17. Sports talk on radio and TV is baffling. Endless discussion among
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:21 AM
Sep 2014

grown men (and it's mostly men) about a fantasy world of points, stats & some else's money. To them, and to many who like tuning in to this stuff, it's vitally important material that *must* be taken seriously.

I see it no differently from someone talking about what a certain celebrity wore to the Golden Globes, or the lineup of new TV sitcoms for next season.

It's all the same; enjoy it if you will, but keep in mind that THESE THINGS DON'T MATTER.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
29. That was all there was to get,
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:45 AM
Sep 2014

but then I don't usually read writings from Libertarian Socialists that sympathize with Anarcho-Syndicalism.
I actively dislike those who say things like "Obama, first of all, is running the biggest terrorist operation that exists, maybe in history."
or like "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged."

I'm surprised anyone on a site that exists to support Democrats would.
To quote a writer who said more of value in ten words than Chomsky has said in a lifetime. Chomsky opinions are "A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
21. I think, though, that it's something for many ...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:28 AM
Sep 2014

that is enjoyable to think about. Some people get really stressed out about it, but for the majority, it's relaxing to watch and talk about sports. World events with the way our world is? Not so much. I honestly think it's as simple as that. There are days I can't stand to even watch Jon Stewart because while he's wonderful, I can't take hearing about any more of how the Republicans are trying to destroy our country.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
22. Sometimes Chomsky is just an elitist idiot.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:36 AM
Sep 2014

People can have no more influence on sporting events than international affairs.

The difference is that sporting events are transparent and can observed directly over and over again.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
23. Most people probably don't know anything about anything
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:42 AM
Sep 2014

Which is probably accurate about what I just said.

If you think sports talk can get complicated, world affairs are however many times more complicated than that. Should I watch a highlight video of a game, or should I watch an ISIS beheading? Well, I can't do anything about either one, and at least one is just a game.

Who really has a full grasp on Middle East(or wherever) politics anyway? Everyone has their own agenda. You rarely change minds in any direction. No matter who you vote for, you're probably going to be disappointed somewhere down the line in something they do.

It's certainly easier to get emotional about a corporate logo, and cheer for strangers who make a lot of money, than to learn the various details about what's going on in who knows how many corners of the globe. If you know what Putin is doing these days, that's great. What can you do with that information though?

Take this site for example. We think we're all pretty smart and up on things. Yet how many different opinions do you get about various issues? Heated opinions at that. How many differing facts do you get from all sorts of angles? Where does it get us when all is said and done? To about the same place as being a fan of a team, which is at most a temporary shot of adrenaline, not much after that, and then you do it all again the next day.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
53. I like most of your post
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:54 PM
Sep 2014

But I disagree about where it's gotten us. Since I started reading this board, I've become much more politically aware, and that has translated into political activism.

Rarely do movements start out large and all at once. It's at the ground level in communities like DU where change begins. A couple people at a time meet, plan, and turn into a group working for something. Soon more people join, and more, and then all of a sudden it's a movement.

It's absurd to expect that you will see instant change at a national level from an online discussion board. I have gotten a heck of a lot out of DU, and I'm confident I am more aware, more understanding, more interested because of being here. I wouldn't be doing the activism I am now if it hadn't been for DU. Real change happens because of people who participate in this board. Just because real life is often confusing and people have many different opinions is no reason to say we gain nothing other than a bit of adrenaline.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
24. One of the international channels did a piece about the
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:02 AM
Sep 2014

last days of the Roman Empire where the sport of Gladiators fighting against each other became an overwhelming obsession with the public. The amphitheaters were filled to overflowing for the bloody entertainment. It was a distraction from what was crumbling around them. The scandals and drug use in our Professional and College Sports (Football/Basketball) is always a hot topic to keep fans interested while it seems Baseball, Tennis and Golf get less interest than a decade or more ago. Soccer interest is growing and there's always Hockey. But, it seems the big two of Pro Football and Basketball get the most interest from the people I'm around and on TV and Radio coverage.


Beer & Circuses

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
33. Are we any different than other countries?
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:22 PM
Sep 2014

I'd be willing to guess that in South America and Europe, the local football (soccer) club is more often on their minds than world affairs.

We don't show a curiosity of world affairs. That doesn't mean pro sports are responsible. Or that if sports suddenly vanished, people would turn to world affairs as an alternative interest. Or that voters turn to sports due to a sense of powerlessness, as the obsession with sports in many other countries is arguably greater.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
36. Exactly.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:56 PM
Sep 2014

Chomsky seems to be focused on selling books, and finding people to pay him to say many words that amount to nothing. He's just not focused on anything that matters, any more.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
44. They were amazing last night.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 06:08 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:24 AM - Edit history (1)

What can I say? I'm addicted to basketball and football.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
35. Has Chomsky ever been anywhere else in the world?
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:55 PM
Sep 2014

Sports are on the radio worldwide. He has jumped the shark far too many times.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
48. It's a world wide problem.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:55 PM
Sep 2014

It may be soccer in Europe, cricket in India, Aussie football in Australia, ...

Modern sports achieves what the coliseum did for ancient Rome, and religion of course. Sports is kind of our religion now, the opiate for the masses to prevent them from revolting and asking for fairness, equity. As long as they have their TV and sports, no matter their sad state of being, they are satiated. If we are kept in a state of pacification, if all our brain power goes toward analyzing sports, then how on earth are we ever going to solve world problems, equity, education, climate change, and so on?

NPR has sports programs now, in addition to market watch. It's inescapable, unless you turn them off. Unfortunately their news programs are heavily corporate views, so they only have left their human interest stories, Radio Lab, maybe Prairie Home Companion and the like, music ... which are worth listening to.

I liken it to being in the Matrix. We are programmed, but we don't have to accept it, we can pull the plugs.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
62. Sports is the new religion.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:30 PM
Sep 2014

What was the opiate for masses has been replaced by the new opiate of the masses, sports. No conspiracy, with thousands of years of demonstrated success in suppressing the populace. Or you could let them eat cake, But that is a lot of cake! Cake in the present time could be considered as the FED with it's quantitative easing and unlimited money creation. Something tells me that it won't end well.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
40. Excellent post. Noam is always so astute despite not exactly being the best speaker.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:42 PM
Sep 2014

This passage really stood out, as it is my observation exactly:

"People call in and have long and intricate discussions, and it's plain that quite a high degree of thought and analysis is going into that. People know a tremendous amount. They know all sorts of complicated details and enter into far-reaching discussion about whether the coach made the right decision yesterday and so on. These are ordinary people, not professionals, who are applying their intelligence and analytic skills in these areas and accumulating quite a lot of knowledge and, for all I know, understanding. On the other hand, when I hear people talk about, say, international affairs or domestic problems, it's at a level of superficiality that's beyond belief"

It irks me to no end when I witness this among so many I know. Blissfully ignorant to the point of slow-motion self destructiveness on matters other than sports or entertainment. I always said "Imagine the influence these people could have if they put their minds to shit that actually matters".

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
52. "The way the system is set up, there is virtually nothing people can do anyway. . . "
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:40 PM
Sep 2014

Um no. The guy can't even talk about sports without slipping in one of his anti-union anti-voting anti-organizing anti-Democrat messages. Stay home and tend to your garden, Noam murmurs in our ear, and let Dick and George and Henry do what needs to be done.

Why anyone on DU gives credit to Chomsky's silly sermons is hard for me to understanding. They are utterly antithetical to "progressivism" as the word is used here.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
58. "Stay home and tend to your garden" < Your attempt to deflect what he said, not what he said.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:06 AM
Sep 2014

What he actually said was

"The way the system is set up, there is virtually nothing people can do anyway, without a degree of organization that's far beyond anything that exists now, to influence the real world."

So, like Alinsky and all the other great organizers have said for years, if you want change you have to disorganize what exists and organize a new one.

Most people really don't accomplish much beyond convincing themselves that they are more important than they really are, that what they do is worthwhile, when, frankly, they really don't make any real difference, just shuffle the chairs around.

Reality and the change it would bring are too scary for them to embrace. Easier to watch cable and come up with snarky nothingness, isn't it?

SidDithers

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63. Chomsky doesn't know enough about sports...
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:32 PM
Sep 2014

to know that most people don't know much about sports.

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