A question for the Bernie and Elizabeth supporters

[Algernon Moncrieff]

If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic Party nominee, what is your game plan?

12 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
	Vote for Hillary Clinton
	2 (17%)
	Write in Bernie/Elizabeth's name
	3 (25%)
	Vote Green/P & F/Socialist/etc.
	7 (58%)
	Stay home
	0 (0%)
	Vote Republican so things will get worse and then everyone will vote for leftys in the '18 midterms
	0 (0%)
	1 DU member did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[el_bryanto]

1. It's hard to imagine Republicans putting up someone even marginably tolerable

So I'll vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is.

Bryant

[daleanime]

2. Does this seem like a game to you...

[Algernon Moncrieff]

14. I don't think it's more or less gamey than this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025545691

Having said that, after the William Pitt thread about Senator Sanders, this seemed like a fair question.

[Ken Burch]

19. It's not like HRC is the best we've got.

Basically, all she ever did as SoS was to try to get us into more wars.

She still doesn't get it that war only benefits men and brings nothing but misery to women and children...and that war can
never again have any progressive or positive effects in this world.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

21. I get where you are coming from

I disagree, but I understand.

I flat-out don't think Sanders is electable. I think he might be nominatable, but I see Sanders vs. any Republican as being a massive red-baiting exercise in which the Democrats get slaughtered. OTOH, one can never predict what any Republican will do these days to shoot him/herself in the foot. I have trust issues with Elizabeth Warren, given her admitted Republican past, and her ducking interview requests with Indian Country Today Media Network, and she has a breathtaking lack of foreign policy experience. Again -- she might be nominatable, but don't see too much hope for her in the GE.

I self-label as a Democrat, as opposed to self-labeling as a Progressive. I saw Bill Clinton as a flawed President, but light years ahead of Bush & Reagan. Clinton and Obama both have failed to meet expectations largely because they both got saddled with hostile congresses. I see Hillary Clinton as a practical choice who can appeal to moderates, and keep the country away from the Tea Party abyss. What I don't want to see is President Walker or President Cruz naming the replacements for Scalia, Bader-Ginsburg, Breyer, and Kennedy.

[Chan790]

3. Leave.

I have a passport. I have marketable skills and substantial fiscal resources...I'd go expat.

There's no point staying here while either the Clinton or a Republican run America into the ground. Perhaps if it survives and is repaired, I'll return.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

13. I'm glad I read the whole post. I thought you were commanding me to go.

I'd hate to lose you, even if I disagree with you over Clinton.

[ZombieHorde]

4. My vote for President doesn't count,

so I don't think very much about my POTUS vote. I definitely have preferences, but withholding a vote from HRC wouldn't be noticed by anyone.

[DeadLetterOffice]

27. Mine either.

Actually, living in a very red zone of a very blue state, none of my votes count very much.

I still go vote, every damn time, but I am painfully aware that it doesn't really affect anything.

[ZombieHorde]

30. I mostly go to vote for the local issues.

I feel like my vote counts for the local elections.

[RadicalGeek]

5. In The Primary

I'd back Bernie or Warren.

In the General, would depend on how close it was in PA.

[Laelth]

6. I can't fathom the point of this poll.

Any explanation you have to offer would be appreciated.

-Laelth

[leftstreet]

9. ...

Tis the season

[Algernon Moncrieff]

16. The question and selections are pretty straightforward

If you are looking for some motivation beyond the question, you won't find one.

[Ken Burch]

20. It's about bringing neo-McCarthyism to DU.

The OP knows perfectly well that Bernie can be trusted not to run a third-party campaign in the fall.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

22. I never said he would run a third party campaign

The poll question was not "What will Bernie Sanders do?"

Neo-McCarthyist? That's way OTT.

[Ken Burch]

25. The point of the poll is to "out" third-party supporters on DU.

We're not in fall 2016, when only people who back the ticket will be allowed to express themselves.

I don't think it's a legitimate thing to do a poll that sounds like a "loyalty test" at this stage.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

29. Oh, so it's been fair to relentlessly attack Hillary Clinton supporters?

It's been fair for William Pitt to tell Democrats to pucker up because they had the audacity to point out that - gasp - Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat (when - in fact - he is not a registered Democrat)?

Plenty of people have openly posted on this site that nothing will induce them to vote for Hillary Clinton, so the idea that this is some kind of McCarthyist loyalty test is a farce.

I'll give Sanders supporters credit for at least supporting someone who has indicated that he has some interest in running. Warren has said I-don't-know-how-many-dozen times she won't run, while people here keep insisting she will. Meanwhile, the LA Times says Sanders is http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-bernie-sanders-president-independent-hillary-clinton-ralph-nader-20140915-story.html&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=QcgYVMCMDcypyATA_IBI&ved=0CB8Q-AsoADAB&usg=AFQjCNHCLg-W2Yhzxoi5nLBalrfh6TViBg" target="_blank">positioning himself to be the next Ralph Nader

[Ken Burch]

33. If Bernie ran, it would be in the Democratic primaries

Therefore, it doesn't MATTER that, at this moment, he isn't a registered Dem.

It's not like our party has any right to be angry with him for representing Vermont as an "I". If he's in our caucus in the Senate, his party status is irrelevant. Democrats have no reason to hold a grudge against Bernie.

We already know he wouldn't run third-party in the fall, so why care that he's an "I" right now?

BTW...there was no good reason to include that last option in the poll. Nobody would even think that, and you know it.

[Cali_Democrat]

32. This poll is about bringing McCarthyism to DU?

I dunno, it seemed pretty straightforward and simple to me,

[Ken Burch]

35. The point is to get people to say they'd vote third-party, so their views could be dismissed.

We can't win in 2016 by demonizing people for thinking of voting third-party the fall...we can ONLY win be making sure OUR party is progressive enough to stop them doing that.

There's really nothing most of those contemplating voting third-party are asking for that a Democratic nominee COULDN'T endorse her or himself, when you get right down to it. We don't have to be seen as telling the left to go Cheney itself in order to get majority support.

The path to victory is inclusion, not browbeating.

[arcane1]

7. If Hillary thinks our vote is guaranteed, she can run as a 100% republican and still win.

Is that what we want?

[KamaAina]

8. Vote for Hillary Clinton.

She will, after all, be running against a repuke.

[obxhead]

10. McCain and Romney did not get my vote

Hillary will not either. I will not vote for any person that is a republican.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

11. As I am already a Democratic Socialist,

and do not feel that Hillary will adequately address what I consider the key issue of our time, my vote will go to whichever candidate I find available who I feel will address such. I don't think I'll have any trouble finding someone on the left end of the spectrum who will better address it than HRC.

Given that my party generally has few candidates on the ballot, chances are high that most of the rest of the people on the ballot I end up voting for will be Democrats.

[LordGlenconner]

12. You left out: Complain bitterly on an anoymous internet forum

It's been rich today with all the usual keyboard thespians.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

15. I always take that as a given

[Number23]

36. +a million

[Cali_Democrat]

40. hahahaha. nt

[zappaman]

17. I will vote for the Democratic nominee over ANY asshat Republican and

voting Green or Independent is essentially a vote for the Republican since Dems need all the votes they can get!
Remember 2000?

[Algernon Moncrieff]

18. I lived outside Fort Lauderdale in 2000

I remember 2000 too well, thank you

[fadedrose]

23. I don't think Hillary will be . . .

She's already peaked - top of the polls even before anyone was polled -

too many little mistakes and 2 more years of little mistakes will take their toll....

I don't think I'll live 2 more years - that seems like a long long time from now....

And a lot depends on this ISIS thing and how bad or good it goes. Good would favor Biden, bad would favor the Republicans.....

[Algernon Moncrieff]

24. As many have pointed out, a year is an eternity in Politics

.. a lot can change, either way.

[Scootaloo]

26. She won't be. Not worried.

[GeorgeGist]

31. Not a supporter of Hillary, Elizabeth or Bernie.

All suckers for ISIS.

[Ken Burch]

37. OK...who WOULD you support?

Ron Paul is hardly the answer, since his anti-interventionism would go out the door the moment he was sworn in as a Republican president. They'd MAKE him be Dubya The Second.

[DinahMoeHum]

34. I vote Progressive for primaries, Democrat for general election.

Like most of us here, I'd rather have a progressive Democrat be on the Democratic ticket in the general election.
But if that doesn't happen, I ain't staying home to piss and moan.
Because AFAIC, when it comes right down to it, the worst Democrat is still 1000 times better than the best Republican.

[Number23]

38. I've got no problem with either of them (have actually agreed alot with what Bernie has to say)

and don't know much about Warren but like what I've heard on the occasion that she seems to say anything.

But I am laughing my ass off at the folks hanging the New Messiah cape on either one of them. Because if there is one thing we have all learned PAINFULLY from this crew, the second and I mean the millisecond that they actually have to govern or say anything to try to broaden their level of support -- which is the ONLY WAY TO WIN A NATIONAL OFFICE -- which will likely result in saying something that this same crew screaming their names now doesn't like, these same people will turn on them like a pack of frothing wilderbeast and will spend the remainder of their terms wailing about what a corpo-fascist mini dictator they are.

I saw the big thread on on the home page and just shook my head. Feels like Dennis Freaking Kucinich circa 2008 all over again.

[ms liberty]

39. With more than 2 years before that day, and...

an important election in less than 2 months, I'll pass. Two years is a long time; we don't know who will choose to run in the primaries for either the Democratic Party or the GOP, hell we don't even know who will have the majority in the Senate in December of this year. We don't know what world events will occur and be occurring between now and then. There are entirely too many variables to consider. I have preferences...I'd prefer someone other than Hillary, I don't dislike her, I just don't want her as our candidate. I have deep respect for Bernie and a strong liking for Elizabeth Warren. There are a number of other people I'd like to see run. I am a liberal who thinks we have to go left and I believe much of the country is ready for it, with the right candidate advocating the policies that liberals stand for. But right now this whole subject is nothing more than a shiny object to distract people from what is happening now and in just under two months...

[Raine1967]

41. Pass. I'm concerned about November at this point.

I want a D primary, but right now, I want to keep the Senate and get more seats in the house.

[WillyT]

42. Throw Up.

Over and over.

[Raine1967]

43. Charlie Pierce is a friend of Elizabeth Warren and has said repeatedly that she is not running.

He has said it repeatedly on his spots on the Stephanie Miller show. She like Hillery have the option to change douse, of course, but I do not believe she will run in this cycle.