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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:31 PM Sep 2014

Ukraine’s ‘Romantic’ Nazi Storm Troopers

Image: Nazi symbols on helmets worn by members of Ukraine’s Azov battalion. (Images filmed by a Norwegian camera team and shown on German TV)



Ukraine’s ‘Romantic’ Nazi Storm Troopers

Exclusive: While most civilized people view the Swastika and other Nazi symbols as abhorrent reminders of unspeakable evil, the Washington Post trotted out a new way of seeing them – as “romantic” – a sign that apologists for Ukraine’s coup regime know no limits, reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry
ConsortiumNews.com, September 15, 2014

The U.S. mainstream media’s deeply biased coverage of the Ukraine crisis – endlessly portraying the U.S.-backed coup regime in Kiev as “the good guys” – reached a new level of absurdity over the weekend as the Washington Post excused the appearance of Swastikas and other Nazi symbols among a Ukrainian government militia as “romantic.”

This curious description of these symbols for unspeakable evil – the human devastation of the Holocaust and World War II — can be found in the last three paragraphs of the lead story in the Post’s Saturday editions, an article about Ukraine’s Azov battalion which has become best known for waging brutal warfare under Nazi and neo-Nazi insignia.

However, if you didn’t know that reputation, you would have learned little about that grim feature of the Azov paramilitaries as you wound your way through the long story which began on Page One and covered half an inside page.

Post correspondent Anthony Faiola portrayed the Azov fighters as “battle-scarred patriots” who were nobly resisting “Russian aggression,” so determined to fight for Ukraine’s freedom that they threatened to resort to “guerrilla war.”

SNIP...

“In one room, a recruit had emblazoned a swastika above his bed. But Kirt, a former hospitality worker, dismissed questions of ideology, saying that the volunteers — many of them still teenagers — embrace symbols and espouse extremist notions as part of some kind of ‘romantic’ idea.

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http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/15/ukraines-romantic-nazi-storm-troopers/
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Ukraine’s ‘Romantic’ Nazi Storm Troopers (Original Post) Octafish Sep 2014 OP
I hate anti-gay, authoritarian, 'traditional values', misogynist, militaristic, "strong-countries- pampango Sep 2014 #1
I am with you, pampango. Octafish Sep 2014 #3
Ah ha! Very good! NuclearDem Sep 2014 #6
Most excellent Octafish malaise Sep 2014 #11
Some kid who heard stories of Germans at war with Russia... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #2
Excellent point, TreasonousBastard. Octafish Sep 2014 #4
. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #5
Yeah. Like the time the USA attacked a country and killed 500,000 children. Octafish Sep 2014 #8
UN sanctions are not "the time the USA attacked a country and killed 500,000 children" EX500rider Sep 2014 #12
Exactly. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #7
Excellent point. Octafish Sep 2014 #9
Once again, we Jews are touched by this sudden concern about antisemitism in eastern europe. stevenleser Sep 2014 #10

pampango

(24,692 posts)
1. I hate anti-gay, authoritarian, 'traditional values', misogynist, militaristic, "strong-countries-
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:35 PM
Sep 2014

have-the-right-to-expand-into-weaker-ones" fascists.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=882510

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. I am with you, pampango.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:44 PM
Sep 2014

In Ukraine, we are supporting people who have direct ideological ties the scum of the earth.

In the case of the United States, we are sliding from the "Friendly Fascism" of Bertram Gross, past something Corporate-State marriage along the lines of Italy before the second World War, where the State rewards and serves the wealthy, to the stage where the State directly uses the common people as slave labor and cannon fodder.

I remember asking last year:

What would the world look like if the NAZIs had won World War II?



A superpower could attack innocent nations with impunity to steal their oil and grab whatever else they got.

Children, including the Homeland's own citizens, could be tortured and killed in the name of national security.

Secret police could spy on every citizens' public and private communications, associations and affairs.

Elections would be decided by appointed officials rather than the People, 5 to 4.

The rich would not only get richer, they'd enjoy immunity from prosecution.

The poor would not only get poorer, it's austerity for the rest of us until poverty is the new normal.

Ignorance would be the sole purpose of both the news media and public education.

Money would trump peace.

And there is Justice only for "Just Us."



 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
6. Ah ha! Very good!
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:52 PM
Sep 2014

It's clever because it totally distracts from the fascist country in Europe that does in fact assassinate/prison/shell its own citizens into oblivion and takes parts of countries that aren't theirs.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Some kid who heard stories of Germans at war with Russia...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:44 PM
Sep 2014

might have a different take on Nazi symbols.

Doesn't make it right, but it's just too easy to sit over here and make snap judgments about things we don't fully understand.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. Excellent point, TreasonousBastard.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:49 PM
Sep 2014

We must rely on reports. Here's mine, based on personal observations, from 2006:

Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

Some of the links have gone dead, those interested can try the GOOGLE or PM me. I may still have original articles.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Yeah. Like the time the USA attacked a country and killed 500,000 children.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 06:55 PM
Sep 2014

Madame Sec. of State Albright said it was "worth it."



'We Think the Price Is Worth It'

Media uncurious about Iraq policy's effects--there or here

By Rahul Mahajan

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.
--60 Minutes (5/12/96)


Then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's quote, calmly asserting that U.S. policy objectives were worth the sacrifice of half a million Arab children, has been much quoted in the Arabic press. It's also been cited in the United States in alternative commentary on the September 11 attacks (e.g., Alexander Cockburn, New York Press, 9/26/01).

But a Dow Jones search of mainstream news sources since September 11 turns up only one reference to the quote--in an op-ed in the Orange Country Register (9/16/01). This omission is striking, given the major role that Iraq sanctions play in the ideology of archenemy Osama bin Laden; his recruitment video features pictures of Iraqi babies wasting away from malnutrition and lack of medicine (New York Daily News, 9/28/01). The inference that Albright and the terrorists may have shared a common rationale--a belief that the deaths of thousands of innocents are a price worth paying to achieve one's political ends--does not seem to be one that can be made in U.S. mass media.

It's worth noting that on 60 Minutes, Albright made no attempt to deny the figure given by Stahl--a rough rendering of the preliminary estimate in a 1995 U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) report that 567,000 Iraqi children under the age of five had died as a result of the sanctions. In general, the response from government officials about the sanctions’ toll has been rather different: a barrage of equivocations, denigration of U.N. sources and implications that questioners have some ideological axe to grind (Extra!, 3-4/00).
There has also been an attempt to seize on the lowest possible numbers. In early 1998, Columbia University's Richard Garfield published a dramatically lower estimate of 106,000 to 227,000 children under five dead due to sanctions, which was reported in many papers (e.g. New Orleans Times-Picayune, 2/15/98). Later, UNICEF came out with the first authoritative report (8/99), based on a survey of 24,000 households, suggesting that the total “excess” deaths of children under 5 was about 500,000.

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http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/



Killing innocents for democracy is NAZI.

EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
12. UN sanctions are not "the time the USA attacked a country and killed 500,000 children"
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 07:08 PM
Sep 2014

Perhaps Iraq should have complied with the UN security council?

The sanctions against Iraq were a near-total financial and trade embargo imposed by the United Nations Security Council on the nation of Iraq. They began August 6, 1990, four days after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, stayed largely in force until May 2003 (after Saddam Hussein's being forced from power), and persisted in part, including reparations to Kuwait, through the present.

The original stated purposes of the sanctions were to compel Iraq to withdraw from Kuwait, to pay reparations, and to disclose and eliminate any weapons of mass destruction.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
7. Exactly.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:58 PM
Sep 2014

My grandfather was conscripted into the Wehrmacht during Barbarossa, and frankly, he wasn't all too unhappy about someone fighting the illegal Soviet occupation of his homeland.

Doesn't mean I sympathize with Naziism or fascism at all, but it's usually a lot more complicated than most people realize.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
10. Once again, we Jews are touched by this sudden concern about antisemitism in eastern europe.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 06:58 PM
Sep 2014

It has been there for a long time and is worse in Russia.

We are deeply suspicious that people who have never before seemed concerned about the rampant antisemitism in eastern europe only seem concerned now in a way that dovetails with their politics.

This reminds me of how pinkwashing is used regarding LGBT rights and various countries.

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