Between the anti-Hillary and anti-Obama threads, it is hard to find anti-republican threads in the

[still_one]

mix

[murielm99]

1. How right you are!

The opposition does not need to bother to send in the trolls.

[redruddyred]

20. yo, I think there needs to be room for dissent

even amongst democrats.

when it comes to voting time, we'll all fall in line. I think people are just voicing their frustration.

[BlueCaliDem]

2. Makes you wonder, don't it? eom

[still_one]

4. sure does

[freshwest]

24. Not anymore.

[Dawgs]

47. Doesn't make me wonder.

Obama and Hillary are to the right of Nixon. Why wouldn't many Democrats be upset with them?

[TreasonousBastard]

3. It would be nice if you could hide...

a bunch of threads at once, instead of one-by-one. Just keep clicking ctrl-x's and then hit delete. Just like I do in email.

Hillary sucks.
Obama sucks.
Democrats suck.
Who we absolutely, positively need to run in '16.
Silly outrage of the day.

What would be left? Kittens?

[Scootaloo]

5. Right-wing people posing as Democrats howling for war, mostly

[TreasonousBastard]

6. Yeah, that.

[still_one]

7. who are you calling right wing?

[Scootaloo]

11. I have in my hand a list of names...

No, seriously. Look around. Scrape some of the "party loyalty uber alles" goop out of your eyes and look what some of the people around here are posting, what they're engaged in, what their positions and principles are.

Anyone who is anti-left falls into the rubric of "right-wing" for me. Those who bang drums of war, as well. Anyone who cannot wrap their minds around social issues, and rather than try to learn, just attacks the concepts.

[still_one]

12. Too broad

[Scootaloo]

16. Not at all.

It's an exceptionally functional definition. It just has the unfortunate side effect of exposing just how far to the right the Democratic party and its unswerving, unprincipled loyalists have lurched.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

46. You've nailed it.

The party has been pushed so far right that there are tons of people who consider themselves 'solid Democrats', yet hold a hell of a lot of RW positions when it comes to things like foreign policy, 'security', the economy, gun control, and even race and gender-related issues. And then, when you point out those are RW ideas, proclaim that they really are Dems, that you're just an 'extremist' or 'fringe'.

[still_one]

9. Moyers is terrific

[freshwest]

25. He was for years. Now he knows what it takes to stay on the air.

[Fearless]

10. You find what you look for.

DU is a big place and there is plenty of room for all kinds of pro-liberal, pro-progressive discussion. This includes critiques of Hillary Clinton and President Obama when they do not act in the best interest of the American people.

[still_one]

13. It isn't the critique that is bothersome, it is the animosity associated with it.

[Fearless]

14. Animosity is not relegated solely to those with critiques

Of Hillary Clinton or President Obama. And the OP suggests that there are too many of these threads.

[Tarheel_Dem]

15. Welcome to the new & improved DU.

[NanceGreggs]

17. The GOP stopped being the enemy here ...

... years ago.

The Democrats took their place as those to be maligned, unrelentingly criticized, perceived as the enemy of the people, their every statement to be taken out of context, their every move to be second-guessed as being something nefarious, their message to be found wanting, their goals to be acknowledged as inadequate, their spokes-persons to be seen as consistent liars, their every move to be wanting, their every idea to be disparaged as meaningless, their every action to be taken as too little too late, or too much too soon.

DU has become the best lil' RW whorehouse in Texas - and the other 49 states as well - where so-called Democrats can pretend they're screwing some Republican whore, while they're actually fucking their own party.

This post will undoubtedly earn me a "hide" - and I will take pride in having earned it.

[freshwest]

22. Thank you, Nance.

[betsuni]

27. Yes! Agree, thank you.

[hobbit709]

33. Jury results

On Wed Sep 17, 2014, 06:23 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

The GOP stopped being the enemy here ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5548093

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Agree with it or not, DU doesn't need this kind of post. Way over the line. Give the poster what they asked for.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Sep 17, 2014, 06:32 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: it seems like someone just can't handle the truth here. Everyone had a blast kicking the chimpster around, but can't grasp that many of his same policies are still in effect, while others have even worsened! Dems aren't above being put down too, if they earned it/
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I refuse to hide the truth.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: She's right, you know.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is some truth in this post. The alerter needs to get a thicker skin.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nance is stating the obvious.

[baldguy]

35. +1000

[Demit]

39. How do you feel now that the jury didn't vote to hide your post?

Are you disappointed in DU yet again?

[MannyGoldstein]

40. I know, can you believe it?

Real Democrats understand that endless austerity for the 99%, unprecedented bailouts for the 1%, attempting to cut Social Security and Medicare, implementing the TPP and other free trade agreements, and Operation Spy On Everyone Because Terra! are exactly the platform that Democrats ran on, and exactly the platform America needs.

[treestar]

48. +1

Started about Nov. 5, 2008

[hughee99]

18. It's my personal belief that anti-republican threads sink quicker.

Everyone agrees that they suck, so there's not much discussion. There are, however, two groups of DUers that are constantly at odds, which is why those threads stay kicked longer. The groups are the "principles before party" Dems and the "We'll get more of what we want by supporting the party no matter what" Dems.

[still_one]

19. not a bad analysis

[DFW]

21. I usually don't bother with either of them

Yes, I know there are people who hate Hillary or Obama worse than they hate Ted Cruz, Mitch McTurtle, Charles and David Koch, Karl Rove, Sheldon Adelson, Pat Robertson, Sean Hannity, Marco Rubio, Louie Gohmert or Rand Paul. Some of them even claim to be Democrats. They can claim to be the Dalai Lama, for all I care.

They just don't have a message to which I give any kind of priority (let alone credence) right now--not less than two months before the 2014 midterms, where the balance of the Senate is in peril.

[freshwest]

23. +1

[sendero]

28. That's complete rubbish..

... and you know it. We EXPECT nothing good from Republicans so it is not news when they act as expected. We didn't expect our "friends" to be functionally the same as Republicans, that's news.

[djean111]

29. I smell the latest meme - if you hate Hillary, you love the GOP. Reeks of something.

And yeah, we all know and hate what the GOP does. That would be a given, except when trying to deflect or whatever.

[sendero]

30. HRC..

.... is a non-starter for me and no amount of left-shaming is going to work.

[djean111]

31. To quote Joe Black - "It'll come".

Hillary herself is responsible for the early start of the primary season. Her own coy little self.
So - primary season - were we REALLY supposed to start the acceptance this early? That is not going to work, and IMO all the smug accusations that if you don't love Hillary you are a GOP plant - going to bite 'em in the ass, and is a really piss-poor way of trying to dredge up support. This is Democratic Underground, not Hillary Underground.
I do notice that anything Bernie or Liz says or does that might be on one of Hillary's pages is promptly posted.
All that is left is to declare hating the TPP a "pony" or merely a trivial personal wish.

[DFW]

32. No, I don't know it. Streitsüchtig much?

Unless, that is, you think Sonya Sotomayor and Elena Kagan are the same as John Roberts and Sam Alito.

[Recursion]

26. Funny, isn't it? (nt)

[MannyGoldstein]

34. Why did Lincoln fire his losing generals?

After all it was the Confederacy that was at fault. Lincoln should have cut the crap, and not have been focused on his poor Union generals who faced an enemy the likes of which had never been seen before.

Clearly, Lincoln was a paid disrupting ratf%^*er.

[baldguy]

36. Cart before the horse, much?

If your analogy had any validity, the generals would have fired Lincoln.

[MannyGoldstein]

37. The generals hired Lincoln?

Or am I missing something?

[baldguy]

41. Appearently so. The generals didn't hire Obama or Hillary either.

But you endlessly whine when they act as Lincoln did.

[SidDithers]

38. Yup. Welcome to Fringe-Left Underground...nt

Sid

[CentralMass]

42. Personally, I am waiting to see a party platform and for candidates to declare their candidacies

and commit to some issues. I will vote for the candidate that best represents my families interests at the end of the primary, if one exists. So far the only potential candidates who have spoken out on any relative issues concerning the middle class have been Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders.
Hillary, who I voted for in 2008 has received a 6 figure paycheck to let Goldman Sachs know she has their back while "we" are being told to shut up and elect more democrats.

I will not vote for candidates that I do not support in the primary or general elections. I will leave portion of the ballot unchecked if necessary.

The party is in wretched shape.

[sufrommich]

43. This is why I don't bother with DU as often as I used to.

Between the anti democrats,the misogynist,the put upon white guys,the Putin lovers and the loopy conspiracy theorists,it's turned into a place that's hard to take seriously.

[still_one]

45. seems that way

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

44. Odd, I've read several anti-republican ones this morning.

Maybe you've got too many things in your trash list, or are subconsciously drawn to pie-fighting threads?

(Edit: Having checked the recent threads list, on the first page of 'latest' (by bump, i think, the default sort) there are 10 threads slamming RWers, 1 anti-Hillary, and one talking about 'Obama's dangerous views'. So you're definitely self-selecting anti-HRC or anti-Obama threads to read and ignoring anti-RWer ones if you can't find them.)