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The dream of upward mobility that made this country a model for the world feels further and further out of reach and many Americans understandably feel frustrated, even angry, Clinton said.
Clinton told the audience that middle class incomes had stagnated over the last decade even as the average workers productivity had increased significantly in the same period. She pointed to studies that showed 4 out of 10 children born into the lowest rung on the economic ladder remained there as adults.
And where is it all going? Clinton asked. Economists have documented how the share of income and wealth going to those at the very top, not just the top 1 percent but the top 0.1 percent, the 0.01 percent of the population, has risen sharply over the last generation, she said. Some are calling it a throwback to the Gilded Age of the robber barons.
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As Secretary of State I saw the way extreme inequality has corrupted other societies, hobbled growth and left entire generations alienated and unmoored, she said.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-goes-populist
cali
(114,904 posts)Hint: her name isn't "Bill."
So what actions did she take, as Secretary of State or as Senator, that aligned her with the 1% against the 99%?
cali
(114,904 posts)I meant HER actions. and a truckload of her previous words- from supporting outsourcing:
When Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton flew to New Delhi to meet with Indian business leaders in 2005, she offered a blunt assessment of the loss of American jobs across the Pacific. "There is no way to legislate against reality," she declared. "Outsourcing will continue. . . . We are not against all outsourcing; we are not in favor of putting up fences."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/07/AR2007090702780.html
to supporting Wall Street over the middle class:
Hillary Clinton Tells Wall Street She Believes Anti-Wall Street Rhetoric Foolish
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/12/12/hillary-clinton-tells-wall-street-she-believes-anti-wall-street-rhetoric-foolish/
She is an opportunist who will say anything and not blink at the starkest contradictions in her own rhetoric.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)her very cozy relationship and ardent defense of Wall street, etc.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)But some years later when she voted on CAFTA in the Senate, she voted no.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)TPP? Has told the truth about the results and continuing effects of NAFTA? Or the GATT? No, on the contrary, she has been nothing but an apologist for the overwhelmingly negative issues with these agreements on the 99%. No, anyone who pretends she isn't all in on the TPP has some proving to do. ..
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)still ongoing.
But her job was to represent what the President wanted, not her own views.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)You act like she was in some boiler room having to slave for what Obama wanted, while many times she was kneecapping him. Then again, we all know how Obama told her to wage war in Syria...wait, she just published din her book that she wanted to go to Syria, and Obama refused. She did this at a time when the GOP is attacking Obama for not going to Syria....hmmm.
bornskeptic
(1,330 posts)She wanted to do, two years ago, what Obama wants to do right now - arm and train the Free Syrian Army. I don't know if that can accomplish anything worthwhile now, but if it makes sense to do it now, then it would have made a lot more sense two years ago, begore the FSA was decimated and before ISIL became so powerful.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Especially since the Russian support Assad, because they have their one base in the Mediterrean there?
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)1) Support the TPP, which will gut the ability of government to resist corporate abuse
2) Support the Trans-Canada pipeline, which eventually will make Deepwater Horizon look like a party, as even if there is no spill into our water, it will help the Chinese burn more of that sulfur laden oil.
3) Support the idea of war in Syria, which means that more of the poor will be spent to die for oil, and then have their Food stamps taken away because that same war machine ate the budget.
All of these thing can be linked to Hillary Clinton.
Oh, and let's not forget being a supporter of H1-b visas.
still_one
(92,136 posts)No salary increase for Congress until minimum wage increased. (Jul 2007)
Would accept minimum wage as president. (Jul 2007)
Stand up for unions; organize for fair wages. (Jun 2007)
Get tough with China and bring jobs back home. (Feb 2007)
Minimum wage increases havent kept up with Congress wages. (Dec 2006)
Passed 2 planks of 7-plank platform, New Jobs for New York. (Oct 2006)
Minimum wage should be tied to congressional salaries. (Jun 2006)
Pushed for extension of unemployment insurance. (Feb 2004)
The working poor deserve a living wage. (Oct 1999)
America can afford to raise the minimum wage. (Sep 1999)
Recently were in it together became youre on your own. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Nov 2008)
Voted NO on terminating legal challenges to English-only job rules. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Protect overtime pay protections. (Jun 2003)
Rated 85% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record. (Dec 2003)
Allow an Air Traffic Controller's Union. (Jan 2006)
Sponsored bill linking minimum wage to Congress' pay raises. (May 2006)
Extend unemployment compensation during recession. (Jan 2008)
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue. (Jan 2009)
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination. (Jan 2009)
cali
(114,904 posts)Are you so ignorant that you're unaware that she is a major player on pro-corporate FTAs? Are you so ignorant that you're unaware of her support for outsourcing?
guess so.
still_one
(92,136 posts)has been consistent on that.
Regardless, the equating her, (not necessarily by you), but by some as a republican, is about as logically as Nader telling us there is no difference between Democrats and republicans. Even if nothing else was in consideration, the Supreme Court difference should be obvious to most people.
randys1
(16,286 posts)How could ANYONE claiming to be progressive or liberal in anyway, look at this list and then say they will risk putting a con in over this person...
That is what I wanna know...
still_one
(92,136 posts)she is a republican. Onost issues she is progressive
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I notice that she mentioned the 1%, the 0.1% and the 0.01%.
One of my main complaint about Clintons, and many Democrats of their type, is that they serve the 80th to 99th percentile and call THAT group the "middle class".
It's like a "kinder, gentler" form of trickle down.
cali
(114,904 posts)it couldn't be more pro-corporate
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)what sort of input she is trying to make?
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Oh, that's right, because she has consistently protected and defended the secrecy of the agreement, huh? A true American she is...ffs
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Yet another place where she has given a speech in agreement with the standard democratic position.
Are you planning to post a snippet of every single speech she's ever given where she's said that she is in agreement with general Democratic principles just like all of her other potential primary opponents?
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)As I'm perfectly free to point out that every other potential challenger holds pretty much the same positions, and that her doing so as well doesn't actually make her anything special in the primary.
Maybe you could point out where she holds positions that are actually better, and farther left than her potential opponents? That's more likely to win over primary votes, after all.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Even if someone posts links multiple times, if its about the potential Democratic nominee's positions I think a little repetition is something we can all handle.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)And I mistakenly thought he'd just done it again, although it turned out I got the nesting wrong, and he was posting it to the person who'd responded to mine.
I'm fine with people posting it as many times as they want to different people, but posting the same thing over and over to the same person is simply spamming, and has no discursive value, which is why I, as you put it, 'attacked'.
Would you want someone posting the *exact* same thing in response to your comments over and over again?
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)her position is worse.
Notice how she mentions the 1% the 0.1% and the 0.01%.
Why is that bad?
Because of policy.
Consider this policy - a big giant tax cut. One that gives a whopping 74% of its benefits to the bottom 99%, and doubtless it gives an even greater percentage of benefits to the bottom 99.9% to say nothing of the bottom 99.99%. Truly, this is a tax cut for the "middle class" which obviously will reduce inequality.
The name of that policy? - the Bush tax cuts.
Here's another example. Hillary, bless her dear heart, was strongly against raising the cap on social security taxes. Why? Because, in her words that would be a "trillion dollar tax increase on the middle class".
Of course, in real time, I nailed her to the wall on that BS, in a journal entry I cannot find any more. But then the Obama campaign took a page out of my journal and THIS happened in a debate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2618869
still_one
(92,136 posts)tells me is that some have a visceral dislike for her they will not even look at the facts
No salary increase for Congress until minimum wage increased. (Jul 2007)
Would accept minimum wage as president. (Jul 2007)
Stand up for unions; organize for fair wages. (Jun 2007)
Get tough with China and bring jobs back home. (Feb 2007)
Minimum wage increases havent kept up with Congress wages. (Dec 2006)
Passed 2 planks of 7-plank platform, New Jobs for New York. (Oct 2006)
Minimum wage should be tied to congressional salaries. (Jun 2006)
Pushed for extension of unemployment insurance. (Feb 2004)
The working poor deserve a living wage. (Oct 1999)
America can afford to raise the minimum wage. (Sep 1999)
Recently were in it together became youre on your own. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Nov 2008)
Voted NO on terminating legal challenges to English-only job rules. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Protect overtime pay protections. (Jun 2003)
Rated 85% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record. (Dec 2003)
Allow an Air Traffic Controller's Union. (Jan 2006)
Sponsored bill linking minimum wage to Congress' pay raises. (May 2006)
Extend unemployment compensation during recession. (Jan 2008)
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue. (Jan 2009)
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination. (Jan 2009)
cali
(114,904 posts)a corporatist and war supporter. You can post all the paeans to Hill you wish, and I can post evidence that she talks out of both sides of her mouth.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I am pleased to see Hillary Clinton addressing the real issues that affect the American people.
-Laelth
pipoman
(16,038 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)Echoing promises of lowered trade barriers, improved labor conditions and environmental protections made by NAFTA advocates two decades earlier, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Hanoi, Viet Nam in 2012 promoted the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the most far-reaching trade agreement ever, encompassing 12 Pacific Rim countries. Secretary Clinton stated support for free expression online, and pronounced, "Democracy and prosperity go hand-in-hand," even as the backroom dealings of hundreds of corporate lobbyists have engaged in writing the TPP to challenge everything from Net Neutrality to democratic process and state sovereignty. An amplification of NAFTA provisions, leaked segments of the secretive treaty reveal thatwholesale powers granted by the TPP to corporations would permit them to sue governments for alleged lost profits in special international tribunals that bypass the U.S. court system, and to advocate overturn of regulatory laws intended to protect people and the environment...
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5523327
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)so until there is a final draft and Hilary takes a position on it, we really don't know anything.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)We know that we were collectively fucked by NAFTA and the same bunch of fuckers are working hard to fuck us once again with Hillary leading the charge. No, she is exactly more of the same.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)Has she leaked a copy of the draft? No, she is steadfastly in favor after the agreement, in favor of "outsourcing", and is an enemy of US labor and the 99%.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)The Trans-Pacific Partnership treaty is the complete opposite of 'free trade'
The TPP would strip our constitutional rights, while offering no gains for the majority of Americans. It's a win for corporations
Mark Weisbrot The Guardian Tuesday 19 November 2013
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/19/trans-pacific-partnership-corporate-usurp-congress
Mark Weisbrot is co-director of the Centre for Economic and Policy Research in Washington DC. He is also president of Just Foreign Policy. He co-wrote Oliver Stone's documentary South of the Border.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)still isn't even in final form.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)so she's not directly involved.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)He denounced it like most of the rest of the world but Hillary had other ideas, one of which was to send that Tower of Integrity Lanny Davis to make business deals to enrich further the rich and to rip Honduras down even further into the poverty and desperation elevator - Hillary contributed to the flow of children from Honduras to cross into America. She does care so deeply about women and children, after all.
The Clintons seem to have their own agenda and it is convenient to blame things that don't go well on Obama, but things that do go well, must be those savvy Clintons ideas, right?
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)plug in Lanny Davis and Honduras, coup and SoS Clinton and you should find enough material.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's impolite to put the burden on others for something you assert without evidence.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)The site will be unreliable, the writer a stooge or 'clinton hater', or the many reasons to avoid talking about the facts. So if you really want to know, you will have to find it - it's not difficult and there are many sources.
It's kind of more impolite to support coups and plop the likes of a Lanny Davis in the cash pile.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)from the very blue state of NY, with a lengthy voting record for progressive bills.
What economic bill did she vote for that you opposed?
merrily
(45,251 posts)especially if the open the link.
They may agree; they may disagree; but they'll know exactly what I mean.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)She knows which way the wind is blowing.
merrily
(45,251 posts)All professional pols at that level know which way the political wind is blowing. Internal and independent polling, analysts, strategists. No special skill on her part.
Bill is by far the smartest man I ever heard speak on politics. That's why I was stunned she ran a racially tinged campaign for a Dem primary. And if you do not agree she did, I don't want to re-live it, so I will just say she definitely did.
BTW, the pantsuits bit was intended as humor. Winds are not great if you are wearing fuller skirts and straight skirts are not comfortable for long plane rides, etc.
Haters Ugh. Can't we ever grow up? Disagreeing with her politics and not wanting to vote for her for President doesn't mean hating her. I would not have voted for my mom for President and I mourned her every day for 20 years.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)while she will ACT to help the struggling "middle class" - those households making between $150,000 to $400,000 a year.
Nobody knows the struggles THEY face. Nobody knows, but Hillary.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I never did Tell Hillary You Want Her to Run.
For over two years now, I've been hearing that "If she runs, no one will oppose her in a primary. She'll clear the field."
Tell me, when was the last time you heard, four years out from a Presidential primary that, if so and so runs four years from now, there won't even be a primary? Especially when so and so is not the incumbent President?
What happened to democracy with a small d in the Democratic Party?
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Usually they are wrapped up early and the rest is just mopping up. I guess Mondale-Hart went down to the wire, although I did not remember it that way. Carter-Kennedy was kinda bruising, with Kennedy taking it to the convention as he refused to concede.
But quite often, one person wins a few early contests and then everybody else jumps (and is told to jump) on the bandwagon. Look at how quickly Kerry wrapped up the 2004 contest.
As for this, it is fairly predictable
1. Hillary has a name
2. Hillary has personal finances
3. Hillary has connections to donors
4. Just like 2008, Hillary will be endorsed by most Congresspeople and Governors.
It's hard for me to imagine that anybody else can compete against that. It will take a miracle to keep her from the nomination. Obama, to my surprise, then delight, then bitter disappointment, was such a miracle.
I am praying for another miracle, although I do not know where it can come from.
But if I did like her, I probably would be gloating about her inevitability instead of gnashing my teeth about the writing on the wall.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)See, that's why I never cared for Obama, it wasn't racially tinged, and he made it out to be...
merrily
(45,251 posts)I noticed every single one of those incidents the instant I saw or heard them, before anyone spun it for me, one way or the other.
But, I am not going to type it all up. I fought all those battles with Hillary supporters on another board as they were happening. Not doing it again.
Try posting it was not racially tinged in the African American forum though. I bet they saw it, too. Only people who were not paying attention or chose not to see it didn't see it. Took my breath away. Ted Kennedy's, too, RIP.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And KO pointed it out on a regular basis in 2008. Others probably did as well, but I saw Keith note it fairly often.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I would see a clip and my jaw would drop or I'd gasp, before any comments. The photos of Obama in traditional Kenyan clothing. All the stuff about "Black liberation theology."
At first, the identifiable stuff was coming mostly from operatives and Bill, Cuomo, a New Yorker, born and bred, claiming Obama was shuckin' and jivin'. Gee, I wonder who told him using that particular phrase was a good idea. Although there was something in a speech Hillary gave with the owner of Ebony. I can't remember the words but it was a drug selling allusion.
Ferrara saying Obama would never be in the primary if he weren't black (her word; I prefer African American). Bill bringing up Jesse Jackson and being so damn dismissive, as in "This whole thing's a fairy tale." Then finally, Hillary herself saying, "hard working white people." Up until then the Hillary supporters on the board I was posting on then were arguing and arguing. Cuomo words were his own. He intended no harm. Ferrara was right. Besides, what she says is on her not the campaign. The drug-selling reference had nothing to do with Obama's race. It was about his pot smoking. and on and on. One rationalization after another, refusing to see it as a theme throughout the primary.
The most vociferous Hillary supporter on that board was the board owner, a Southern white woman. But the day the hard working white people remark hit the airwaves she posted "And there it is." And never debated the race issue with Obama supporters again.
I keep saying the biggest difference between the two parties now--not the only difference, but the biggest--is culture wars. I don't understand how they can run her for President if they profess to respect African Americans as people and not only as voters. I can't vote for her after that and I'm not even African American.
And how will that demographic vote if she is the nom? Red? Blue? Green? Not at all?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And I went at more than a few remarks by HRC and her supporters. Admittedly I was an Obama supporter, but I scratched my head more than a few times about things that were said about him in the primaries.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Supposedly, you remember things better when a strong emotion accompanies them. And my emotions were indeed strong. I was aghast, horrified, heartbroken.
After a few of those "gems," I heard from a source close to Ted Kennedy that he called Bill to tell him "One more race issue from anyone connected with Hillary's campaign and I am done."
Second-hand info, but not inconsistent with Ted Kennedy. But, the incidents did continue and Kennedy did endorse Obama. Also, my source's info kind of fits in with the quote in Game Change of Bill telling Kennedy, "You're endorsing him only because he's black."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bill-clinton-told-ted-kennedy-obama-coffee-years-game-change-article-1.197492
merrily
(45,251 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)I see the word "haters" used and stop reading. I am not into puerile bullshit.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Sometimes I just ignore it; sometimes I don't.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)I want to hear more of this from her.
merrily
(45,251 posts)for her even if she never made this speech.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)you'll be against her from now on no matter what.
merrily
(45,251 posts)At first, it was only because I decided in the Fall of 2007 that he was the most electible of the field. But, once I decided, I was paying very close attention. The more I paid attention, the more I was against Hillary. So, no, not from now on. From then on.
And no, after studying her and watching that campaign closely--both hers and his, I am not changing my opinion based on campaign speeches and attempts at re-branding. I don't think I am alone, either.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)If not, they won't be happy with you. And if you did, it's meaningless.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)Not ALL of the $200k speeches she made, just the ones at colleges over the last 18 months.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Hillary Clinton defended her fees in an interview with ABCs Ann Compton. All of her speaking fees (and apparently Chelseas as well) are turned over to the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation, the public charity that the family controls and operates. The high-profile foundation has a laudable mission: to improve global health, strengthen economies, promote health and wellness, and protect the environment by fostering partnerships among governments, businesses, nongovernmental organizations (NGOs), and private citizens to turn good intentions into measurable results. Among its programs are the Clinton Global Initiative; the Clinton Guistra Enterprise Partnership, geared to creating, scaling, and replicating social enterprises in the developing worlda special interest of Canadian financier Frank Giustra, who very controversially used his connection to President Clinton (helped by a $100 million donation to the CGI) to land face time with Kazakhstans brutal dictator, Nursultan Nazarbayev, to negotiate a lucrative uranium mining deal; the Clinton Foundation in Haiti; many international health initiatives; the Clinton Climate Initiative to create and advance solutions to root causes of climate change; and the Clinton Presidential Center.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)"ABC reports, however, that it has been unable to get Hillary Clinton to provide documentation attesting to the donation of her speaking fees to the foundation. A review of the Clinton Foundations Form 990s for several of the past years reveals no disclosure of the names of major donors and therefore no information as to whether Hillary Clinton (or Bill Clinton, for that matter) has been donating speaking fees to their philanthropy. However, Hillary Clintons commitment to donate the speaking fees may be a decision of somewhat recent vintage, to be revealed in future 990s. (The most recent Clinton Foundation 990 available to the public on GuideStar or the Foundation Centers online directory is from tax year 2012.)"
I was referring to this story from 2 months ago where she commented on it.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/07/hillary-clinton-says-shes-donated-all-university-speaking-fees/
Hillary Clinton continued to justify her high-dollar speaking fees on Friday, telling ABC News Ann Compton that all of the money shes made from colleges over the past year and a half has been donated to her familys foundation.
All of the fees have been donated to the Clinton Foundation for it to continue its life-changing and life-saving work. So it goes from a foundation at a university to another foundation, Clinton said when asked about the criticism she and her husband have faced recently for their wealth.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)her tax returns.
The story you referred to was specifically addressing college fees not because those fees were the only ones she donated but because people were objecting that public colleges were paying so much money for their students to hear her speak.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)The one I posted did have one. She may not be lying by either of our interpretations of the stories, it's just unclear.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)or it it the Initiative one? Anyway, lots of big money spent on schmoozing with movie stars and very expensive plane trips around the world. It is often called a charity, and I am sure they do the required minimum, but it sounds like a country club in the air for the very rich.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)Imagine a Democrat saying that!
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)between her and the GOP.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)As much as I do not respect Hillary's politics, I have no doubt she wouldn't get into the 'legitimate rape' sorts of examples of crazyy - that's pretty sad tho if you give some think about it.
People have been saying that the President is like George Bush, for years now. And this comes from the Left.
So if you asked me which of the two, Hillary or Obama are closest to Bush, the answer would have to be Hillary by a landslide. So there is that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Then again, I have never compared Hillary to him, either.
I would not even compare Dimson to his father or Reagan.
That fucker and that whole fucker of an administration was in a class by itself.
At least I hope and pray so. Never want to see their like again.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)I certainly don't think he is far more liberal. And both of them will be stuck dealing with Congress. It's hard to know what they'd do with a liberal Congress. Maybe it will finally happen, but I'm pessimistic.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)and a wise one, as well.
I don't feel that about the Clintons. I just can't believe much of what they say comes from that same place the President seems to know well.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)So transparent.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Or, was it around the same time she supported Bush's war?
Koch Ebola
(831 posts)Everybody must get stoned: He meant throwing stones at someone. He didn't mean getting high. Hillary? Prepare yourself. Obama got stoned for 8 years.
KG
(28,751 posts)right-o.
pampango
(24,692 posts)BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)Sorry Hillary fans, your girl is a joke.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)It is a shame on DU to have hate against a Democrat, this should be reserved for the Republicans. As good as some can be given it can be returned. Read the standing on the issues, probably explains better and has facts.
http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)and is running a little scared.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)"Middle class" is indeed a code word for the 90th percentile or so, not most people.