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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 10:54 AM Sep 2014

The case for open borders

http://www.vox.com/2014/9/13/6135905/open-borders-bryan-caplan-interview-gdp-double

"What would you think about a law that said that blacks couldn’t get a job without the government’s permission, or women couldn’t get a job without the government’s permission, or gays or Christians or anyone else?" George Mason economist Bryan Caplan asks. It's a pretty easy question. Obviously, such a law is discriminatory on its face, serves no rational purpose, and is unacceptable in a liberal democracy. But Caplan continues: "So why, exactly, is it that people who are born on the wrong side of the border have to get government permission just to get a job?"

This is Caplan's elevator pitch for open borders, an idea that for years was treated as deeply unserious, as an extreme straw man that nativists could beat up in the course of resisting more modest efforts to help immigrants. It had its defenders — philosopher Joseph Carens primary among them — but they were relatively lonely voices.

But in recent years, a small but devoted group of advocates have succeeded in turning open borders from a dirty word to a real movement with strong arguments backing it up. The team at OpenBorders.info — Vipul Naik, John Lee, Nathan Smith, Paul Crider — has led the charge, as Shaun Raviv wrote in an excellent profile of the group in the Atlantic. The University of Colorado's Michael Huemer honed Carens' moral case, while the Center for Global Development's Michael Clemens has been hugely influential in arguing that we're leaving trillions in potential economic growth on the table by enforcing border restrictions.

But few have been as prolific and forceful in their advocacy for the idea as Caplan. "The upside of open borders," he once wrote, "would be the rapid elimination of absolute poverty on earth." He is relentless at rebutting objections. It would take jobs away from native-born workers? It'd hurt growth in poor countries as more and more people leave? It'd leave us vulnerable to crime? No, no, and no.
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pscot

(21,024 posts)
3. It's a prescription for
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 11:30 AM
Sep 2014

economic disaster and extreme social unrest. Absolutely guaranteed to fuel a violent reaction.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Interesting. I can see world-wide benefits long-term. Not sure about short-term implications.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 11:31 AM
Sep 2014

It would darn sure have the nativists up in arms (literally).

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
5. We are already having issues with water and other resourses
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 11:47 AM
Sep 2014

I am all about having immigrants try and make it here, but the United States is already over populated. We need to address water and potential electricity issues before we begin inviting others over. Our future water situation is going to be ugly. Honestly the less population the better.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Like I said, I see long-term potential. It's how we take small steps to get there that prevents
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 11:53 AM
Sep 2014

your concerns.

Long-term, one would expect wealth, etc., to spread out world-wide, making our country less desirable in relation to others. But, it won't happen because there are too many people who don't like foreigners, especially poorer ones.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
7. Wow. I thought there would be a substantial "case" made at the link. Nope.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 11:56 AM
Sep 2014

It's just regurgitated Randian/Corporatist utopian claptrap.

I particularly chuckled at the section on how native workers don't lose out, because they have a killer skill--the ability to speak English! Great stuff!

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