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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:23 PM Sep 2014

How the Bush Administration Covered Up the Saudi Connection to 9/11

http://www.alternet.org/how-bush-administration-covered-saudi-connection-911

How the Bush Administration Covered Up the Saudi Connection to 9/11

It's a story of how the White House sought to suppress evidence that would reveal how much it knew of the attack plot.


September 16, 2014 |

In his New Yorker article, posted on the magazine’s web site last week, Lawrence Wright tells how the Bush administration deleted 28 pages in the 2002 report of the Joint Congressional Inquiry on 911 probably because they describe in detail the Saudi connection to the Al Qaeda attack and Saudi financing of its operatives in the United States—people who knew two of the hijackers, and may well have been used as conduits for Saudi cash. Some of the money may have come from the royal family through a charity.

In removing the 28 pages Bush said the publication of the information would damage American intelligence operations. The Saudis deny all this.

In fact no one would be talking about it now were it not for families of victims of the attack and insurers, who are suing the Saudis.

Wright goes on to report:

“There’s nothing in it about national security,” Walter Jones, a Republican congressman from North Carolina who has read the missing pages, contends. “It’s about the Bush Administration and its relationship with the Saudis.” Stephen Lynch, a Massachusetts Democrat, told me that the document is “stunning in its clarity,” and that it offers direct evidence of complicity on the part of certain Saudi individuals and entities in Al Qaeda’s attack on America. “Those twenty-eight pages tell a story that has been completely removed from the 9/11 Report,” Lynch maintains. Another congressman who has read the document said that the evidence of Saudi government support for the 9/11 hijacking is “very disturbing,” and that “the real question is whether it was sanctioned at the royal-family level or beneath that, and whether these leads were followed through.” Now, in a rare example of bipartisanship, Jones and Lynch have co-sponsored a resolution requesting that the Obama Administration declassify the pages.

But there are other questions here, and they involve the story of how the Bush administration sought to suppress evidence that would reveal how much it knew of the attack plot —and didn’t do anything to stop it.

- snip -

This story and the new piece by Wright strongly suggest the President, Vice President and head of the FBI were engaged in obstruction of justice. If so, that would call for the convening of a federal grand jury. Would the Justice Department, which runs the FBI, do that? Probably not.

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How the Bush Administration Covered Up the Saudi Connection to 9/11 (Original Post) Hissyspit Sep 2014 OP
McCain and Grahams' best friends and lobbyists...the Saudis. MaeScott Sep 2014 #1
Tip Of The Iceberg billhicks76 Sep 2014 #106
Limited hangout Boreal Sep 2014 #132
New Yorker now a conspiracy theorist? 9/11 threads not allowed. Creative speculation... ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #2
but for the grace of God Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #21
I am glad you're sister narrowly escaped that conflagration. Sad for those who didn't, but ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #37
Fate smiled on my family too Tommymac Sep 2014 #102
Do you know that as fact? Lenomsky Sep 2014 #124
troofer? really? 2pooped2pop Sep 2014 #149
Sorry if that offended. Lenomsky Sep 2014 #170
Sad that some need to put their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and say rhett o rick Sep 2014 #136
NO THEY DO NOT ACCEPT THE OFFICIAL STORY 2pooped2pop Sep 2014 #148
truthers forever father founding Sep 2014 #164
I don't, mahina Sep 2014 #172
The more layers that get pulled back from the "official story" groovedaddy Sep 2014 #3
The official story is the only version of 9/11 that is allowed. nt ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #4
If by "allowed" you mean "overwhelmingly supported by the evidence" than yes YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #77
To borrow your phrase Aerows Sep 2014 #86
The most successful part of the coverup is how they managed Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #112
they always use the "conspiracy theorist" 2pooped2pop Sep 2014 #151
Open up another facility father founding Sep 2014 #166
you know, if somebody had presented the "official" scenario as a work of fiction, no reputable niyad Sep 2014 #118
Let's assume that 9/11 was an "inside job" YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #133
I have heard that hundreds have come out 2pooped2pop Sep 2014 #152
lol 2pooped2pop Sep 2014 #150
Anyone want to recap Cheney's interference in the command center when it was happening? Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #5
HUSH! You're not supposed to question the official story! nt ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #7
I think it came out in that book written by the ex-NSA chief. Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #8
yea, the guy bushies refused to listen to and whom was summarily relieved of his duties. But ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #10
Yeah. I remember that. He said lynne cheney was IN THE SITUATION ROOM calimary Sep 2014 #22
X 1000 ctsnowman Sep 2014 #163
What is the name of Clarke's book? hifiguy Sep 2014 #39
Against all enemys BobbyBoring Sep 2014 #48
Thank you! hifiguy Sep 2014 #50
How about lark Sep 2014 #43
Oy. hifiguy Sep 2014 #51
+trillions like the trillions that were "lost" over there. n/t Aerows Sep 2014 #63
'Do the orders still stand?' Censoring MINETA Testimony Evidence 9-11 Commission Was Cover-Up Job. Octafish Sep 2014 #116
and here we go again... KurtNYC Sep 2014 #6
La-La-La!! Nothing to see here. 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #23
Holy Shit. Aerows Sep 2014 #47
There is an OP on it here: KurtNYC Sep 2014 #75
Damn. Thanks, KurtNYC! n/t Aerows Sep 2014 #80
Isis/Isil Pharaoh Sep 2014 #126
Prince Bandar! Ronbeaux Sep 2014 #115
K & R malaise Sep 2014 #9
"New revelations" to some but not to us wacky conspiracy theory types NightWatcher Sep 2014 #11
Truther! nt ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #12
What does one call someone who doesn't believe the truth about, well, valerief Sep 2014 #16
Deceiver or the deceived. zeemike Sep 2014 #71
Falsers nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #78
I like it! nt valerief Sep 2014 #111
Rubes, Marks,.... bvar22 Sep 2014 #104
reality based thinkers? 2pooped2pop Sep 2014 #154
OR father founding Sep 2014 #165
I hope you are saying that in jest. If not, I hate to tell you, I doubt that it offends rhett o rick Sep 2014 #137
Yep. This was all out there right after 9/11 but the MSM Cleita Sep 2014 #17
And don't hold your breath waiting for most of them to report this now n/t deutsey Sep 2014 #40
Yeah, that was the past, just move on Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #33
Who are you calling wacky? ybbor Sep 2014 #53
Pass the "wacky", I want a toke. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #138
There are also questionable aspects to the 9/11 families lawsuit starroute Sep 2014 #13
That would be great! Aerows Sep 2014 #55
What Aerows said. Octafish Sep 2014 #60
Did you see that link Aerows Sep 2014 #67
Bandar Bush, BFEE Octafish Sep 2014 #83
A whole bunch of things Aerows Sep 2014 #85
Thanks Octafish... ReRe Sep 2014 #129
Is it remotely possible ? father founding Sep 2014 #168
Bush Family Fortunes DhhD Sep 2014 #173
Here are the main pieces starroute Sep 2014 #89
Thanks a bunch! n/t Aerows Sep 2014 #90
Should We Be Surprised - I Am Not cantbeserious Sep 2014 #14
Not new to some of us... Triana Sep 2014 #15
Remember the one flight the Bush admin let through on 9/11? Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #18
Uh-HUH! I remember that. They rounded up all the Saudis and skeedaddled 'em straight out of the calimary Sep 2014 #24
Yeah..no YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #72
You can call it mythical Aerows Sep 2014 #84
I don't buy it Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #94
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #19
Saudis? Saudis? mmmmm...OH, YEAH!!! KansDem Sep 2014 #20
The very same. calimary Sep 2014 #27
And the very ones baby bush was french kissing at the ranch Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #35
K&R for 911 Truth!! ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #25
At last! The real smoking gun that explains . . . gratuitous Sep 2014 #26
I do believe Cartoonist Sep 2014 #28
I believe I saw that in the film "Fahrenheit 911" mountain grammy Sep 2014 #29
I Think Millions Of People Are Aware Of Similar Facts, BUT ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #30
Apparently South Carolinians lordsummerisle Sep 2014 #119
Something that's bothered me..... LongTomH Sep 2014 #31
Another, related, question: Maedhros Sep 2014 #36
Yes, you're right: What was he even doing there in the first place? ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #44
EGG zac LEE Botany Sep 2014 #57
Fighters were dispatched...200 miles away! Rex Sep 2014 #52
Perhaps this is why the Bin Ladens were hustled out of the country so quickly. kairos12 Sep 2014 #32
Alternet = stolen news. Here's the article they cribbed Android3.14 Sep 2014 #34
Very interesting! JNelson6563 Sep 2014 #42
What do you mean "stolen"? It is common practice to report on other media outlet's stories and ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #45
Hey, thanks for that... i hate going to Alternet. K&R, nt. druidity33 Sep 2014 #46
wow. incredible. Raffi Ella Sep 2014 #38
And some of us still wonder what John O'Neill found out Rex Sep 2014 #54
God, it's been so long I don't remember the details- Raffi Ella Sep 2014 #88
I was thinking of him the other day. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #114
He was ostracized from the FBI, Cheney had his hands all over it. Rex Sep 2014 #128
I give up on 9/11 Politicalboi Sep 2014 #41
I remember that. It is so long ago that I assumed it had been debunked. postulater Sep 2014 #70
K&R for exposure. N_E_1 for Tennis Sep 2014 #49
LIHOP Pharaoh Sep 2014 #56
It has always been LIHOP hifiguy Sep 2014 #68
Yes, but some people then label you Pharaoh Sep 2014 #95
I thought LIHOP was kind of widely accepted. JoeyT Sep 2014 #108
I think it involves knowledge Pharaoh Sep 2014 #109
corroboration nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #58
Curious as to why you reference the long/lat location in your post. Old and In the Way Sep 2014 #74
Pinal Airpark aka Marana Army Air Field nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #82
Very interesting...didn't realize the significance of this airport. Old and In the Way Sep 2014 #161
"...a resolution requesting that the Obama Administration declassify the pages." NealK Sep 2014 #59
Look forward. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #73
Yep. n/t NealK Sep 2014 #130
You're being sanctimonious again BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #141
With 9/11 the PNAC got the new American Pearl Harbor they were clamoring for. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #61
sounds like bin laden got what he wanted n/t lordsummerisle Sep 2014 #120
Lots of people got what they wanted. The Bush family, Cheney made millions and got to rhett o rick Sep 2014 #139
thank you n/t 2pooped2pop Sep 2014 #155
Neither "new", nor "revelations" YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #62
Kicked and recommended! But first, let's look forward! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #64
8 fucking years of 24/7 criminal activity! And the bastard wasn't even elected! santamargarita Sep 2014 #65
Remind me Again Ccarmona Sep 2014 #66
Special Prosecutor needed on this one. Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #69
Damn straight they do! n/t RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #79
And once again, Saudi Arabia plays the US like a fiddle. zappaman Sep 2014 #76
If my memory serves me correctly: RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #81
The really weird part of calling information like this tin foil hat stuff, etc. - people are helping djean111 Sep 2014 #87
K&R for 9/11 TRUTH !!!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Sep 2014 #91
If you like wasting time YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #134
hey jollyreaper2112 Sep 2014 #92
Accessories to mass murder pauldp Sep 2014 #96
yes jollyreaper2112 Sep 2014 #97
K&R Bookmarked for later avaistheone1 Sep 2014 #93
An Adnan Khashoggi/Wally Hilliard kick. bobthedrummer Sep 2014 #98
A glum GWB calls his good buddy 'Bandar Bush' in late 2000: tanyev Sep 2014 #99
GWB started bombing Iraq shortly after his, er, inauguration Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #144
You must not QVESTION! Or you vill vear ze TIN-FOIL HAT! WinkyDink Sep 2014 #100
All the shit he and his cronies committed and they aren't in prison. SummerSnow Sep 2014 #101
the whole 9/11 heaven05 Sep 2014 #103
The latest from former Senator and Joint Inquiry Co-chairman Bob Graham: johnnyreb Sep 2014 #105
Thank you, johnnyreb! Octafish Sep 2014 #117
You are most welcome, Sir Octafish! johnnyreb Sep 2014 #121
Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner? Octafish Sep 2014 #125
Hmmm....Let's see...Sarasota. Florida. Jeb. Dot dot dot dot.... WinkyDink Sep 2014 #122
Cheney ---- "Obama Is The Worst President Of My Lifetime" lpbk2713 Sep 2014 #107
The Conspiracy goes much further back... ymetca Sep 2014 #110
Or German lessons. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #123
Likely it was to cover up their own connections. Octafish Sep 2014 #113
Guilty those bastards. lonestarnot Sep 2014 #140
Remember how AG John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001? Octafish Sep 2014 #157
Yes he did and thanks for the reminder. lonestarnot Sep 2014 #178
Eric Holder has appointed detective Barney Fife to get to the bottom of it. whereisjustice Sep 2014 #127
Run perps run! johnnyreb Sep 2014 #131
treasonous spanone Sep 2014 #135
TOTAL K and R. bbgrunt Sep 2014 #142
What did George W. Bush and Dick Cheney know, and when did they know it?!?! blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #143
Hunter S. Thompson article from Sept 12, 2001 90-percent Sep 2014 #145
He got it in one. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #146
A voice in the wilderness I still sorely miss. He could cut through BS like butter. raouldukelives Sep 2014 #160
K&R bookmarked secondwind Sep 2014 #147
K & R AzDar Sep 2014 #153
k+r so I can finish this later Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2014 #156
me too. liberalla Sep 2014 #159
K and R panader0 Sep 2014 #158
K&R nt raouldukelives Sep 2014 #162
K&R JEB Sep 2014 #167
A treason so grave it infects whoever sees the real evidence like the ebola virus. gordianot Sep 2014 #169
And Pelosi's words still echo in my head... SHRED Sep 2014 #171
For the record, I do believe that many rich, powerful Saudis-including individuals within the govt. YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #174
Here's how you and anyone else can help nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #175
but Benghazi! napkinz Sep 2014 #176
The official story never added up. lindysalsagal Sep 2014 #177
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
106. Tip Of The Iceberg
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 05:48 PM
Sep 2014

If Americans found out what really happened and who knew it they would chase these higher ups down in the streets and string them up. It's no wonder people are hard at work coveting things up and sewing disinformation and fear into the collective psyche.

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
132. Limited hangout
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:45 AM
Sep 2014

is what this is. IMHO, it's to obfuscate and misdirect from facts like 9/11 was not only an inside job but US allies were all up in it.

Have you seen the five hour documentary, September 11, The New Pearl Harbor, by the Italian guy? Everyone should see it.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
2. New Yorker now a conspiracy theorist? 9/11 threads not allowed. Creative speculation...
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:32 PM
Sep 2014

9/11 families all accept the official story. Anything else is truther BS.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
21. but for the grace of God
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:41 PM
Sep 2014

I would be a member of one of those "9/11 families". And I don't buy the official story one bit. Thank God my sister's work shift in WTC1 didn't start until 10am.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
37. I am glad you're sister narrowly escaped that conflagration. Sad for those who didn't, but
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:08 PM
Sep 2014

glad for you and your sis and all those who love her.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
102. Fate smiled on my family too
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 05:23 PM
Sep 2014

My sister visited her company in the South Tower (above the impact zone) the week before, and she was due to go back the week after - she worked as an out of state agent but went to the home office regularly every several weeks Monday and Tuesdays.
She knew ~120 of the victims personally.

Glad to see the Truth struggling to shine through the shadows - it always does in the end.

Lenomsky

(340 posts)
124. Do you know that as fact?
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:59 PM
Sep 2014

''9/11 families ALL accept the official story'' - Could you point me to that statistic?

There have been omissions maybe even distortions.
If N pages were removed or redacted then there could be some nefarious goings on as they are politicians after-all.
Why were the Saudis flown out on private charters a few days after 9/11.

I'm no troofer but feel some questions remain to be answered.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
149. troofer? really?
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:19 AM
Sep 2014

You couldn't even go with truther? Making fun of the people who question the govt under the Bush admin. does nothing. The "troofers" are most likely the ones who are right, and they most certainly have not yet heard the troof.

Lenomsky

(340 posts)
170. Sorry if that offended.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:50 AM
Sep 2014

Troofer = Those that pretty much deny all evidence and troll endlessly.
Truther = Those that question the evidence, omissions, distortions etc.

I am a truther not to be confused with a troofer!

Some confusion I guess *shrugs*

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
136. Sad that some need to put their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and say
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:06 AM
Sep 2014

over and over, "It wasn't a conspiracy, it wasn't a conspiracy." Their reality does not allow anything but what the great authoritarians tell them. But life is full of conspiracies. Politics is even more full of conspiracies. Karl Rove makes a good living conspiring.

And the attacks of 9/11 weren't an act of God, they weren't an accident, they were carefully planned. So carefully planned that the US intelligence agencies, arguably the greatest intelligence agencies in the world (if you go by how much they are funded) were totally fooled. It must have taken a lot of planning (conspiring) to pull this off.

Those that want to live in their comfortable denial bubbles, more power to you, but don't come out and try to disparage those of us that don't believe the propaganda put out by the oligarchs that rule this country.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
148. NO THEY DO NOT ACCEPT THE OFFICIAL STORY
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:16 AM
Sep 2014

I think you may have forgotten the sarcasm sign. From what I read and hear and from the families I talked to in NYC, they most certainly do NOT accept the official story.

 

father founding

(619 posts)
164. truthers forever
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:04 AM
Sep 2014

This story is just a red herring, everyone and I mean everyone knows who the real perps are.

groovedaddy

(6,229 posts)
3. The more layers that get pulled back from the "official story"
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:34 PM
Sep 2014

the stronger and stronger the stench gets.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
112. The most successful part of the coverup is how they managed
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 07:49 PM
Sep 2014

to legitimize and successfully implant the notion in the mass mind that any questioning of official doctrine on 9/11 is evidence of paranoid delusions.

Well Goddamit, I'm one of those lunatics.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
151. they always use the "conspiracy theorist"
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:25 AM
Sep 2014

thing to try to ridicule those who want truth. Basically when the term conspiracy theorist comes out, you can damn well bet that shit has been distorted and covered up.

niyad

(112,426 posts)
118. you know, if somebody had presented the "official" scenario as a work of fiction, no reputable
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:36 PM
Sep 2014

publishing house would have ever touched it, because it lacked even the remotest sense of reality or plausibility. even works of fiction have to be somewhat believable.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
133. Let's assume that 9/11 was an "inside job"
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:52 AM
Sep 2014

How come the vast, vast majority of experts and authorities in the fields applicable to the events of 9/11 haven't "come out" and said so? Not to mention all of the eyewitnesses, investigators, etc.

That's an awful lot of people who are complicit in hiding the mass murder of 3000 Americans.

The "official story"= a relatively small number of operatives affiliated with a known international terrorist organization managed to exploit security vulnerabilities in the United States. The end result of their operation-which in all likelihood, cost less than $1 million-was the worst terrorist attack ever committed on American soil.

There's no need to construct an elaborate fantasy of the US government being complicit in the mass murder of its own citizens. Unless, of course, you have an agenda of your own...

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
152. I have heard that hundreds have come out
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:28 AM
Sep 2014

but are put into that lunatic "conspiracy theorist" pile and since they own the media, well....only their version of the truth is shown.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
150. lol
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:23 AM
Sep 2014

If I get to be the one to make up the "evidence", you can bet your ass it will support my side. Overwelmingly even.

Baitball Blogger

(46,572 posts)
5. Anyone want to recap Cheney's interference in the command center when it was happening?
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:37 PM
Sep 2014

Something about raising the volume on the t.v., which interfered with communications with the outside?

Anyone?

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
10. yea, the guy bushies refused to listen to and whom was summarily relieved of his duties. But
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:42 PM
Sep 2014

still, you're not allowed to discuss 9/11 unless you're supporting the bush admin's official account of the happenings of 9/11.

calimary

(80,693 posts)
22. Yeah. I remember that. He said lynne cheney was IN THE SITUATION ROOM
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:42 PM
Sep 2014

Yeah, you bet! The VP's WIFE gets into the top-secret meeting. And the poor dear JUST HAD TO watch the coverage on CNN, so she kept turning the TV up.

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MEETING.

WHILE they were trying to have the highest-level of teleconference and key people who couldn't be there in person because of the immediacy of the crisis and the fact that American airspace had just been closed, so they were patched in, electronically, from different parts of the country, on screen. It was a NATIONAL EMERGENCY, okay? Horrendously urgent! And Clarke said they couldn't hear each other DURING THIS INCREDIBLY VITAL AND URGENT MEETING, THAT DAY, because fucking lynne cheney couldn't keep her fucking hands off the volume control on the TV. Just exactly WTF was SHE doing in there in the first place, anyway???????

God, if that had been Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama, the GOP would be building a gallows in the middle of the Washington Mall right about now.

ctsnowman

(1,903 posts)
163. X 1000
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:03 AM
Sep 2014

"God, if that had been Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama, the GOP would be building a gallows in the middle of the Washington Mall right about now."

And if Obama had been president at the time... He would have been sent to jail.

lark

(22,996 posts)
43. How about
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:22 PM
Sep 2014

- One of Bush's first acts in office was to remove any official scrutiny of anyone flying to US from Saudi Arabia. Clinton had made it mandatory that all Saudi residents be screened due to the extremist danger from there.

- Member of CIA report that when the American delegation met wtih Afghani Talibans prior to 9/11, they wanted to hand us Osama but Cheney said he wasn't interested. He said if the Afghani's agreed to the oil pipeline their country would be coverd in gold, and if not it would be covered in blood.

- Person who was head of air defense on 9/11 is same person who excused Bush from the Guard for political activity. The std. is air forces have to be mobilized within a very short timeframe (think I remember it being 15 seconds?) when theres a threat, yet no air forces were deployed until the 3rd plane was located, long after the first 2 planes hit the Twin Towers. Like someone wanted them to do the damage they did?

- Family members of Osama and the Saudi royals flown out with no interviews or interrogation by the FBI while the rest of our airspace was closed down. FBI request to ask them questions was flatly denied.

- When Cheney had his big oh-so-secret "oil" meetings, months before 9/11, maps of the Iraqui oilfields were included and we had no holdings or dealings with them at all.

- When the Atty. General flew to Europe the summer before 9/11, he went in a private airplane due to all the grave threats to commercial airlines.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
51. Oy.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:50 PM
Sep 2014

There really are not words in the English language which describe the depths of Chimp/Darth criminality. They all come up short.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
116. 'Do the orders still stand?' Censoring MINETA Testimony Evidence 9-11 Commission Was Cover-Up Job.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:19 PM
Sep 2014


Dr. Philip Zelikow and the 9-11 Commission edited Secretary of Transportation Mineta's story. From Wikipedia:

During the September 11, 2001 attacks, Mineta issued an order to ground all civilian aircraft traffic for the first time in U.S. history.

Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission about his experience in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with Vice President Cheney as American Airlines flight 77 approached the Pentagon was not included in the 9/11 Commission Report.<3> In one colloquy testified by Mineta, the vice president refers to orders concerning the plane approaching the Pentagon:



There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, 'The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant.

– Norman Mineta, (4)



Commissioner Lee Hamilton queried if the order was to shoot down the plane, to which Mineta replied that he did not know that specifically.(4)

Mineta's testimony to the Commission on Flight 77 differs rather significantly from the account provided in the January 22, 2002 edition of the Washington Post, as reported by Bob Woodward and Dan Balz in their series "10 Days in September"



“ 9:32 a.m.
The Vice President in Washington: Underground, in Touch With Bush

Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta, summoned by the White House to the bunker, was on an open line to the Federal Aviation Administration operations center, monitoring Flight 77 as it hurtled toward Washington, with radar tracks coming every seven seconds. Reports came that the plane was 50 miles out, 30 miles out, 10 miles out-until word reached the bunker that there had been an explosion at the Pentagon.

Mineta shouted into the phone to Monte Belger at the FAA: "Monte, bring all the planes down." It was an unprecedented order-there were 4,546 airplanes in the air at the time. Belger, the FAA's acting deputy administrator, amended Mineta's directive to take into account the authority vested in airline pilots. "We're bringing them down per pilot discretion," Belger told the secretary.

&quot Expletive) pilot discretion," Mineta yelled back. "Get those (expletive) planes down."

Sitting at the other end of the table, Cheney snapped his head up, looked squarely at Mineta and nodded in agreement.

—Dan Balz and Bob Woodward, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42754-20...



This same article also reports that the conversation between Cheney and the aide occurred at 9:55 am, about 30 minutes later than the time Mineta cited (9:26 am) during his testimony to the 9/11 Commission.

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Mineta

Here's Sec. Mineta's actual testimony on YouTube:



It was left out of the report.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
6. and here we go again...
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:37 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/16/1330029/-Saudis-Lobbied-John-McCain-Lindsey-Graham-to-sell-War

at link:

Two of the most successful factions fighting Assad’s forces are Islamist extremist groups: Jabhat al-Nusra al-Qaeda in Syria, and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the latter of which is now amassing territory in Iraq and threatening to further destabilize the entire region. And that success is in part due to the support they, ISIL, have received from two Persian Gulf countries: Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Qatar did not deny they fund both al-Qaeda groups, ISIL and Front, but they told Steve Clemons of the Atlantic that ISIL is a covert project of Saudi Arabia's Prince Bandar.

Qatar’s military and economic largesse has made its way to Jabhat al-Nusra, to the point that a senior Qatari official told me he can identify al-Nusra commanders by the blocks they control in various Syrian cities. But ISIS is another matter. As one senior Qatari official stated, “ISIS has been a Saudi project.”
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
47. Holy Shit.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:44 PM
Sep 2014

That is a comprehensive look at what is going on.

This whole ISIL rise has always seemed fishy, now we know why.

Please make that an OP of it's own.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
75. There is an OP on it here:
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:29 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025545166

They tie a lot of recent history together in a compelling way. How involved the Saudis are in directing ISIL is tough to pin down but a pattern is there.

A more detailed log of events and battles:
http://www.understandingwar.org/syria-blog

which includes stone cold analysis like this:

Although Syrian rebel operations in Arsal do not constitute an offensive by the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), the battle for Arsal demonstrates the potential for localized Syrian rebel groups to pledge support to ISIS in a bid for resources and notoriety, thereby expanding the reach of ISIS into Lebanon.

Ronbeaux

(35 posts)
115. Prince Bandar!
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:16 PM
Sep 2014

"Qatar did not deny they fund both al-Qaeda groups, ISIL and Front, but they told Steve Clemons of the Atlantic that ISIL is a covert project of Saudi Arabia's Prince Bandar."

He has been called "Bandar Bush" for years because of his close friendship with the Bush family.

edit: removed bad video link, see Fahrenheit 9/11

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
11. "New revelations" to some but not to us wacky conspiracy theory types
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:44 PM
Sep 2014

I was screaming about this going back to Feb-Mar 02 when I quit the Intel world as I saw that everything was just a pretense for the beginning of the new endless wars.

Don't worry, I'm still a wacky conspiracy theory type... and more shit will eventually drip out to a large "who cares, that was a long time ago" general response. I'm 40 and I hope it comes out while I'm still around. BTW, the only tin foil at my house is wrapped around some baked chicken in the fridge.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
16. What does one call someone who doesn't believe the truth about, well,
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:18 PM
Sep 2014

let's call them The Big Con Jobs, for lack of a more allowable term? In other words, what is the opposite of truthers?

Liars?

Officialers?

Agents?

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
78. Falsers
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:39 PM
Sep 2014

That the word "Truther" is a slime is all one needs to know about post 1984 America.

Seeking truth is now to be mocked and ridiculed. A nation ruled by liars is not a free nation.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
154. reality based thinkers?
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:36 AM
Sep 2014

government lie exposionist?
smart?
old dogs? -seen this shit before and know better?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
137. I hope you are saying that in jest. If not, I hate to tell you, I doubt that it offends
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:09 AM
Sep 2014

anyone. They take it from whence it comes. I'd much rather be called a skeptic than gullible.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
13. There are also questionable aspects to the 9/11 families lawsuit
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:12 PM
Sep 2014

I tried tracing through the various news accounts and court filings a few years ago and got the impression that though the families themselves are sincere, the case has attracted a lot of vultures who are hoping for a multi-billion dollar settlement from which they can peel of a few millions for themselves.

There are also vultures on the other side. Some DUers may remember ten or twelve years ago when there were stories about James Baker representing the Saudi royals -- that was to get them dropped from the list of defendants. Jack Abramoff's involvement with the General Council for Islamic Banks was also related to helping cover their asses.

In the end, I decided it was too large and complex a story for me to follow out on my own. But if anybody here is interested, I can post a summary of what I did find and links to more.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
60. What Aerows said.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:11 PM
Sep 2014

Thanks to starroute, Aerows and all good DUers, DU helps connect people to truth.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
67. Did you see that link
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:21 PM
Sep 2014

that KurtNYC posted that is a summation of Saudi involvement with the creation of ISIL?

That is an astonishingly comprehensive explanation of what is really going on. I found the whole rise of ISIL to be strange to begin with because there weren't enough dots to connect. Now we know why all of this is happening.

Any "friend" that tries to goad you into fighting someone you don't need to fight so that they can benefit at your expense is no "friend".

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
83. Bandar Bush, BFEE
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:45 PM
Sep 2014


Big line of corruption.



Brothers in Arms: Bandar Bush Took a Billion in Bribes to Push UK Weapons Deal

Written by Chris Floyd
Empire Burlesque
Thursday, 07 June 2007

So says the Guardian, which has had a sneak peek at the evidence compiled by Britain's Serious Fraud Office (SFO) in its lengthy investigation of vast corruption in a decades-long arms deal between Saudi Arabia and the Anglo-American arms merchant, BAE, Tony Blair's favorite war profiteer. The SFO's probe was preemptorily quashed by Blair's ever quiescent attorney general, Lord Goldsmith, last December. Now the Guardian has learned that BAE paid a quarterly bribe to Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud-- long-time ambassador to the United States, and so intimate with America's ruling family that the president nicknamed him "Bandar Bush." BAE was plying Prince Bush with $30 million every quarter -- for ten years. Nice work if you can get it.

The background to this sordid business can be found in a piece I did last year: Last Bad Deal Gone Down: War Profits Trump the Rule of Law. A brief excerpt below sets the scene:

Slush funds, oil sheikhs, prostitutes, Swiss banks, kickbacks, blackmail, bagmen, arms deals, war plans, climbdowns, big lies and Dick Cheney – it's a scandal that has it all: corruption and cowardice at the highest levels, a festering canker at the very heart of world politics, where the War on Terror meets the slaughter in Iraq. Yet chances are you've never heard about it – even though it happened just a few days ago. The fog of war profiteering, it seems, is just as thick as the fog of war.

But here's how the deal went down. On Dec. 14, the UK Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith (Pete Goldsmith as was, before his longtime crony Tony Blair raised him to the peerage), peremptorily shut down a two-year investigation by the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) into a massive corruption case involving Britain's biggest military contractor and members of the Saudi royal family. SFO bulldogs had just forced their way into the holy of holies of the great global backroom – Swiss bank accounts – when Pete pulled the plug. Continuing with the investigation, said His Lordship, "would not be in the national interest."

It certainly wasn't in the interest of BAE Systems, the British arms merchant which has become one of the top 10 U.S. military firms as well, through its voracious acquisitions during the profitable War on Terror – including some juicy hook-ups with the Carlyle Group, the former corporate crib of George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush and still current home of the family fixer, James Baker. BAE director Phillip Carroll is also quite at home in the White House inner circle: a former chairman of Shell Oil, he was tapped by George II to be the first "Senior Adviser to the Iraqi Ministry of Oil" in those heady "Mission Accomplished" days of 2003. BAE has allegedly managed to "disappear" approximately $2 billion in shavings from one of the largest and longest-running arms deals in history – the UK-Saudi warplane program known as "al-Yamanah" (Arabic for "the dove&quot . Al-Yamanah has been flying for 18 years now, with periodic augmentations, pumping almost $80 billion into BAE's coffers, with negotiations for $12 billion in additional planes now nearing completion. SFO investigators had followed the missing money from the deal into a network of Swiss bank accounts and the usual Enronian web of offshore front companies.


Bandar Bush was instrumental in setting up the deal in the first place, the Guardian notes, wheeling and dealing with Maggie Thatcher from his Washington redoubt. The prince -- one of the leading figures in perhaps the most repressive and extremist Islamic state on earth -- has continued to be influential with the White House even after stepping down as ambassador in 2005. (He's now head of the repressive state's security organs.) He's also played a key role in L'il Bush's political career -- making a deal to cut oil prices before the 2004 vote and publicly endorsing his "brother" in the election. One cannot but speculate on how much of the dirty BAE money was used to grease the overt and covert ops of the Bush political machine. According to the Guardian, Bandar's BAE bribes were drawn from BAE's slush fund and deposited in Bandar's account in Washington's Riggs Bank -- the notorious money-laundering outfit used for decades by American and foreign elites to wash their filthy lucre. L'il Bush's uncle, Jonathan Bush, was a top executive at Riggs Bank when it was hit with a record $25 million fine in 2004 for skirting money-laundering laws, as David Sirota -- and then the Washington Post -- report.

CONTINUED w/links...

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/060707Floyd.shtml



Guy knows how to turn a buck.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
89. Here are the main pieces
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:55 PM
Sep 2014

The case was brought by the Motley Rice law firm, and for anyone who's interested, their website has a long list of related documents at http://www.motleyrice.com/anti-terrorism-and-human-rights/9-11-litigation-relevant-documents.

In many ways it seems like a legitimate search for justice in the face of government obstruction -- but there are also huge sums of money involved, and that seems to have attracted some dubious players.

Here's a pdf of a Motley Rice press release from August 2002 announcing the suit:

http://www.motleyrice.com/files/9-11-to-bankrupt-documents/press-release-8-15-02.pdf

Seeking to expose the flow of money fueling terrorists and shut it off for good, more than 500 family members and survivors of the September 11 th attacks today filed the first major legal action against seven international banks; eight Islamic foundations, “charities” and their subsidiaries; individual terrorist financiers; the Saudi bin Laden Group; three Saudi princes; and the government of Sudan for bankrolling al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. . . .

The action, Burnett et al v. Al Baraka Investment and Development Corporation et al, charges the defendants with 15 counts under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, Torture Victim Protection Act and Alien Tort Claims Act; violations of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act; and tort claims, including Wrongful Death and Conspiracy. The plaintiffs, 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism, seek damages sufficient to punish the defendants and deter them from ever again funding terrorist activities. . . .

Two members of the Saudi royal family named in the complaint are Prince Turki al Faisal al Saud and Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz al Saud. The complaint alleges that in 1998, Prince Turki agreed not to extradite Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda members from Afghanistan and to provide generous assistance to the Taliban in exchange for bin Laden’s agreement not to use the Afghani infrastructure to undermine the Saudi government. It also alleges that Prince Sultan has donated at least $6 million since 1994 to four “charities” that finance al Qaeda. . . .

The banking defendants in this case are Al Baraka Investment and Development Corporation, National Commercial Bank, Faisal Islamic Bank, Al Rajhi Banking and Investment, Al Barakaat Exchange LLC, Dar Al Maal Al Islami, and Al Shamal Islamic Bank. The “charitable” and foundation defendants are the International Islamic Relief Organization, Sanabel Al Kheer, Inc., Muslim World League, Saar Foundation, Rabita Trust, Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, Inc., Benevolence International Foundation, the World Assembly Of Muslim Youth, and a host of associated individuals, organizations and subsidairies.


In March 2003, a DC district court judge heard the first of several motions to dismiss. The case was later consolidated with others and moved to the Southern District of New York.

In 2004, they tried to depose Sibel Edmonds and were refused. By then, the firm was looking for a trillion dollars and had taken on an additional multi-billion lawsuit against the Arab Bank:

http://www.mafhoum.com/press7/221E16.htm

In a bid to both bankrupt those who finance terror and bring some sense of justice to its victims, the legal team that is suing the Saudis for $1 trillion has launched yet another massive lawsuit against prime supporters of radical Islamic jihad.

Filing in the Eastern District of New York last week on behalf of 700 survivors and family members of those killed by terrorism in Israel, legendary trial lawyer Ron Motley is seeking unspecified billions to continue his quest to change the face of counterterrorism.


In 2006, they were complaining that the Transportation Security Administration was denying them access to pre-9/11 documents that had formerly been in the public domain. By that time, the suit had grown to 6,161 plaintiffs.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/rep-sabo-911-families-urge-senate-to-stop-tsas-excessive-secrecy-56229492.html

The 9/11 families charge that TSA is hiding documents that are of no use to terrorists but would reveal how and why 19 hijackers were allowed to board four airplanes on September 11, 2001. Now, they are urging the Senate Homeland Security Appropriations Subcommittee to take similar action.

"Americans expect open and transparent government, and these 9/11 families are depending on it," said Rep. Sabo. "Though it has made some changes, TSA still has very poor procedures for designating Sensitive Security Information. Section 525 in the House Homeland Security Appropriations bill would force TSA to balance legitimate security needs with our nation's commitment to due process and freedom of information."


In 2009, the Supreme Court upheld a lower court decision that exempted the Saudi princes from being sued.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/29/supreme-court-will-not-he_n_222256.html

The Supreme Court has refused to allow victims of the Sept. 11 attacks to pursue lawsuits against Saudi Arabia and four of its princes over charitable donations that were allegedly funneled to al-Qaida.

The court, in an order Monday, is leaving in place the ruling of a federal appeals court that the country and the princes are protected by sovereign immunity, which generally means that foreign countries can't be sued in American courts. . . .

In their appeal to the high court, both sides cited the report of the Sept. 11 Commission. The victims noted that the report said Saudi Arabia had long been considered the primary source of al-Qaida funding. The Saudis' court filing, however, pointed out that the commission "found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization."

The victims' lawsuits claim that the defendants gave money to charities in order to funnel it to terrorist organizations that were behind the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.


That's the most straightforward account of the suit that I can piece together from my notes of a few years ago. The complexities come in by way of the connections among Motley Rice, the Washington Group PR and lobbying firm which has the 9/11 Families as a client, and a "terrorism research institute" called the Nine Eleven Finding Answers Foundation, which is also represented by the Washington Group and which may be the successor to a dubious private intelligence firm called the Rosetta Group.

But that's the point at which it all gets very murky, and I never did figure out all the personal and financial connections among these various entities.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
18. Remember the one flight the Bush admin let through on 9/11?
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:39 PM
Sep 2014

It was a flight of Saudi VIPs going back to Saudi Arabia.

Suddenly that seems very significant.

calimary

(80,693 posts)
24. Uh-HUH! I remember that. They rounded up all the Saudis and skeedaddled 'em straight out of the
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:44 PM
Sep 2014

country. Got them OUTTA there. THAT DAY. AFTER the FAA closed down the airspace. Somehow, they still managed to get a flight out. Hmmm... maybe they knew somebody?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
84. You can call it mythical
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:47 PM
Sep 2014

all day long, but it is still true. People thought the world was flat for a long time, were taught that the world is flat, people were executed for disputing that the world is flat, but ... that doesn't make the world flat.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
94. I don't buy it
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:19 PM
Sep 2014

why would Richard Clarke take responsibility for authorizing a flight that didn't happen?

That site seems highly agenda-driven, and "the truth" is clearly not the agenda that is driving it.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
20. Saudis? Saudis? mmmmm...OH, YEAH!!!
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:41 PM
Sep 2014


They're the ones whose family members in the US were flown back to the UAE the day after 9/11 when all other planes were grounded!

I thought I recognized that name!

calimary

(80,693 posts)
27. The very same.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:48 PM
Sep 2014

I remember that. I remember how angry so many of us were. And we all talked about it. Some of us tried to get attention for it. NOTHING. Nobody wanted to listen to us. NOBODY. Not the media. Not our Dems. NOBODY.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
26. At last! The real smoking gun that explains . . .
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:47 PM
Sep 2014

BENGHAZI! Will Fox News cover this new development, or has it been co-opted by the dark, shadowy forces determined to obscure the truth of Benghazi???

Cartoonist

(7,297 posts)
28. I do believe
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:50 PM
Sep 2014

in the official story. I do, I do, I do.

Here's something else that is just speculation. Remember when Bush broke the law (not speculation) by insider trading and the selling of stock in his failing oil company? He refused to name the mark he sold it to. (how do you get away with that?) Could it be that said mark was a Bin Laden or a Saudi royal? Great way to buy a favor from a powerful political family.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
30. I Think Millions Of People Are Aware Of Similar Facts, BUT
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:55 PM
Sep 2014

at this point in time I'm not sure anyone will really take notice. If people will still vote for McConnell who says they actually like ACA but won't vote for a Democrat because they vote for (R) and don't plan to change now says a lot to me. Then others will vote for Mark Sanford after EVERYTHING we've heard about him, I doubt "truth and reality" really matter much!

lordsummerisle

(4,649 posts)
119. Apparently South Carolinians
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:43 PM
Sep 2014

would rather have a rattlesnake represent them than Stephen Colbert's sister...

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
31. Something that's bothered me.....
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:56 PM
Sep 2014

Something that has bothered me - and a lot of people - since 9/11/2001: There is a standing order for the Air Force; if an airliner goes off its flight plan and doesn't respond to Air Traffic Control, fighters are to be scrambled to intercept. The fighter pilots are to make contact with the plane by radio, or by hand signals in case the radio is out and indicate that the pilot of the airliner is to follow the fighters to an emergency field.

If the crew of the airliner still does not respond: The fighters ARE AUTHORIZED TO SHOOT THE AIRLINER DOWN!

A few weeks ago, a general aviation plane went off course and didn't respond to Air Traffic Control. Fighters were scrambled to intercept. They made visual contact and determined that the windows were frosted over, indicating that the plane had lost pressurization. The fighters continued to track it out over the ocean.

Again, why weren't fighters dispatched for the 9/11 planes?

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
36. Another, related, question:
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:07 PM
Sep 2014

Dick Cheney was in a command facility directing military exercises over New England when the whole thing went down.

Why? The Vice President is not Vice Commander-in-Chief and has no military role. At the time of the hijackings, our Air Force was on high alert and planes were already in the air. Did Cheney countermand the intercept order?

Botany

(70,283 posts)
57. EGG zac LEE
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:05 PM
Sep 2014

ON 9/11/01 Dick Cheney had the pentagon playing a simulated war game that
was about hijacked planes and he had our fighter cover in the North East and clear
out to Greenland. Washington DC has the most protected air space in the world
but somehow a slow moving passenger jet got through to hit the pentagon long after
the 2nd World Trade Tower was hit. Meanwhile HW Bush and his Carlyie Group
buddies were meeting w/Saudis in Washington DC including some member(s) of the
bin Laden family.

In both Florida and in KY's horse country Saudi's were fleeing the country prior to
9/11/01.

BTW the wife of the Ambassador of Saudi Arabia had a member of a Saudi Government
agency meet some of the hijackers when the came into the USA, rent them an airport,
and give them spending money.

Only one thing to do ...... BENGHAZI!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
52. Fighters were dispatched...200 miles away!
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:51 PM
Sep 2014

And yet there was an entire fight wing sitting RIGHT THERE in D.C. Yet the came out of Langley! Why?

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
45. What do you mean "stolen"? It is common practice to report on other media outlet's stories and
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:29 PM
Sep 2014

AlterNet clearly states this by citing their source right in the first sentence.

Raffi Ella

(4,465 posts)
38. wow. incredible.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:14 PM
Sep 2014

Hissyspit

This story and the new piece by Wright strongly suggest the President, Vice President and head of the FBI were engaged in obstruction of justice. If so, that would call for the convening of a federal grand jury....



yup.

K&R

Raffi Ella

(4,465 posts)
88. God, it's been so long I don't remember the details-
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:53 PM
Sep 2014

or any of the names but in any case, I'm stunned by this information. This isn't conspiracy, this is what, when, where, why and who; it needs to be investigated. Period.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
128. He was ostracized from the FBI, Cheney had his hands all over it.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 11:16 PM
Sep 2014

Wouldn't play ball for PNAC.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
41. I give up on 9/11
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:18 PM
Sep 2014

When we're supposed to believe planes can penetrate steel and concrete at sea level speeds and leave not one piece of debris in either hit outside the buildings, it's silly. All this shiny stuff is for the masses who don't want to think beyond what they've been told.

postulater

(5,075 posts)
70. I remember that. It is so long ago that I assumed it had been debunked.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:23 PM
Sep 2014

Do you have a link or other info on that?

I'd like to ask my daughter about that. She is a structural engineer and I'd like to hear her analysis.

She was 12 when that happened so remembers it a bit. She is now in grad school and just told me her professor discussed the towers on the first day of class this semester.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
68. It has always been LIHOP
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:21 PM
Sep 2014

because PNAC saw it as the ultimate opportunity to implement their agenda.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
108. I thought LIHOP was kind of widely accepted.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 06:17 PM
Sep 2014

Or maybe I don't know what LIHOP is. We know the Clinton administration left a bunch of stuff about how terrorists were planning terrorism...And Bush didn't lift a finger to do anything about the terrorism because he was an idiot. So he...let it happen? Is that pretty much the gist of LIHOP, or does LIHOP require intent?

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
58. corroboration
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:06 PM
Sep 2014

From the New Yorker:

Another Saudi who was in San Diego at the time, Osama Basnan, also befriended Hazmi and Mihdhar. As it happened, Basnan’s wife was receiving charitable gifts from Prince Bandar’s wife, Princess Haifa. The payments—as much as seventy-three thousand dollars over a period of three years—were supposed to fund the treatment of a medical condition that Basnan’s wife suffered from. According to pleadings in the lawsuit against the Saudis, some of that money went to support the hijackers in San Diego.


Posted January, 2013 by Professional Pilot Phillip Marshall, friend of some of the pilots that were killed that day, and who spent years researching the Saudi Connection.

Saudi Connection to the 9/11 Hijackers

So began my search for Middle Eastern operators of Boeing airliners. Because the hijackers were mostly Saudi Arabian, the firm of Dallah Avco, a Saudi operator of multiple private Boeing airliners, soon stood out as a focal point. To my amazement, I immediately discovered that Congressional investigators had already linked Dallah Avco with the actual hijackers. Omar Bayoumi, a Dallah employee and operative within the Saudi Ministry of Aviation, had provided housing and basic support for three hijackers: Nawaf al-Hazmi, Khalid al-Mihdhar and the pilot/hijacker of American 77, Hani Hanjour.

FBI evidence of the cell would confirm that the hijacking team of American 77 had formed and operated separately with direct financial support from top-level members of the Saudi government, bitter enemies of al Qaeda. The picture was beginning to clear.

...One Saudi official in particular, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Ambassador to the United States from 1983 to 2005, was quickly traced to direct funding of the hijackers, through cashier’s checks, not from him he would say, but from his wife.

http://thebigbamboozle.tumblr.com/post/41340532273/saudi-connection-to-the-9-11-hijackers


The writer might be asked about further details he had uncovered during his years-long research but a month after excerpts from his book above were posted he was a victim of "suicide".

Google Earth Fun! - 32°30?35?N 111°19?31?W

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
74. Curious as to why you reference the long/lat location in your post.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:29 PM
Sep 2014

Interesting in that there are a whole lot of commercial jet aircraft there. as well as a sizable helicopter station....in a relatively small, out of the way location. Doesn't appear to be a military base or an aircraft graveyard Can you comment on this?

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
82. Pinal Airpark aka Marana Army Air Field
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:45 PM
Sep 2014

Here's Phillip Marshall:

...At the same time, from several old Iran-Contra sources I began hearing about a hush-hush airport used by the government contractor and mercenary outfit Blackwater, to train covert, special operations flight crews. I soon learned that major flight training had been conducted in the middle of the night with military and civilian airplanes in top-secret fashion. Blackwater is one of several operators that use the very airport I had run across — Pinal Airpark, a secluded desert facility near the town of Marana, Arizona, and near the former home of Saudi Arabian pilot Hani Hanjour, the hijacker pilot of American 77. I discovered that over 80 perfectly airworthy commercial airliners are scattered around the airport and heavily guarded by a mercenary army with covert Saudi ties. The opportunities are perfect to “borrow” a Boeing for unlimited and undocumented air training in the dedicated practice range over the desert. The means and the opportunity to slip hijackers in for training were all in place.

Investigative author Jeremy Scahill had also discovered Pinal and written extensively about it in his 2007 book Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army. He traced Pinal’s four-decade history of clandestine paramilitary activity, from Vietnam and the famous opium cargo outfit dubbed Air America to today’s government contracts in the “War on Terror,” such as the so-called Torture Taxi flights to U.S.-run detention facilities in Afghanistan. Scahill reports that these untraceable contracts govern operation of Blackwater’s fleet of Casa 212 cargo planes that frequent Pinal. He reports that Blackwater’s president Gary Jackson has been bold in bragging that Blackwater’s “black” contracts are so secret, he could not tell one federal agency about Blackwater’s work with another.

“Air Blackwater,” previously known as Aviation Worldwide Services, formed in early 2001, just when the 911 hijackers were in the final stages of training. Public statements said they were to provide “military training operations and aviation transport” for the U.S. government. AWS was then acquired by Blackwater in 2003, as the Iraqi occupation was getting under way. Gary Jackson announced that the new aviation department “complements our strategic goal of providing a ‘one stop’ solution for all of our customer’s security and tactical training needs.” “Tactical training,” of course, raises a red flag. Evergreen International, an aviation company whose board includes the former head of the CIA’s air operations, has taken over management of Pinal while the government doles out no-bid, untraceable “black” contracts to Blackwater, Aero Contractors, International Air Response, Evergreen, SA Incorporated and a host of others...
http://thebigbamboozle.tumblr.com/post/40856537710/want-answers-who-trained-the-9-11-hijackers-to-fly


Pinal Airpark

Marana (Pinal) became the headquarters of all Central Intelligence Agency air operations during the Vietnam War years, when it was the primary facility of Intermountain Airlines, a wholly owned CIA "front" company which was used to supply covert operations in Southeast Asia & elsewhere. Intermountain was infamous for its thinly veiled CIA special ops which included development & use of the Fulton Skyhook, but its cover was its non-scheduled freight & maintenance operations. Marana was the principal continental United States maintenance base for Southeast Asia CIA operations including Air America and Continental Air Services...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinal_Airpark

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
161. Very interesting...didn't realize the significance of this airport.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:23 AM
Sep 2014

Didn't know about Hanjour's proximity to this airfield, either. Just another coincidence in an ocean of coincidences, I suppose.

NealK

(1,788 posts)
59. "...a resolution requesting that the Obama Administration declassify the pages."
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:10 PM
Sep 2014

I wonder what Obama will do?

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
61. With 9/11 the PNAC got the new American Pearl Harbor they were clamoring for.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:13 PM
Sep 2014

It's not a conspiracy theory if it better fits the evidence and sounds more plausible than the official story.

The nation has been on a steep downward spiral ever since 9/11. Up is down, war is peace and a healthy economy for the 1% is considered a recovery.

Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
139. Lots of people got what they wanted. The Bush family, Cheney made millions and got to
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:14 AM
Sep 2014

have people tortured. The neocons got their war. The owner of the World Trade Center got his insurance money. The MIC got a trillion dollars. And China now owns a significant portion of the USofA. So, "Is everyone happy."

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
64. Kicked and recommended! But first, let's look forward!
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:18 PM
Sep 2014

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RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
81. If my memory serves me correctly:
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:43 PM
Sep 2014

This "news" was brought up shortly after the incident, but was not covered. What makes people think that they will cover it this time.
And how much does anyone want to bet that the Saudis are behind this ISIS, ISIL, Iced Tea, or whatever crap it is?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
87. The really weird part of calling information like this tin foil hat stuff, etc. - people are helping
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:49 PM
Sep 2014

cover up for Bush and Cheney. Bizarre.

jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
92. hey
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:01 PM
Sep 2014

There's a big difference between making an allegation that's plausible but not verified and something that's implausible or outright impossible.

The truther bits about the towers really being blown up with bombs or the planes not being involved in the attack or whatever is just nonsense and fails on a basic analysis.

The thought of a president or his top aides actively involved in the instigation and engagement of an act of mass terrorism on our own soil is more implausible, simply because the risk seems unaccountably high. This is the sort of thing that has consequence.

Covering up the involvement of others and yourself when people you had dirty ties with do something awful, THAT to me is plausible as all hell. They're all chummy with the Saudis and making bank in the kind of way that's winked at for as far as official corruption goes, no problem. Suddenly the black sheep does a terror attack on America and it turns out he's not as ostracized from the family as you've been told, now that seems very plausible.

From the outside looking in, a coverup looks like a coverup, whether it was "Muhahaha, we were in on it and are covering or tracks" or "Oh, shit, we were caught with our pants down and will be in big trouble so let's make sure any evidence we were derelict in our duty goes bye-bye."

pauldp

(1,890 posts)
96. Accessories to mass murder
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:49 PM
Sep 2014

That's what covering up for those who funded 911 would make the Bush admin, and consequently part for a...wait for it.........conspiracy.

The 911 commission report was a pack of lies and half truths and was in no way
even a criminal investigation. It was even managed by a White House insider, Condie's close friend, Phillip Zelikow.
We absolutely need to know the truth. I guess that makes me a truther?

jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
97. yes
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:55 PM
Sep 2014

But there's a difference in plausibility between being guilty of a crime and being an accessory. For example, I would find it very unlikely that a prominent lawyer or politician would be involved in murder versus being an accessory, i.e. cleaning up after the mess their son made.

It would seem like the blowback risk would be too big in actively making a 9-11 happen. What I could see happening is thinking a lesser attack was going to happen, maybe one that could be conveniently foiled and getting all surprised when it completely went out of hand. Kind of like the Fargo scenario: you plan the abduction and ransoming of your wife to get money from her dad who hates you, then she's released and all is fine. You never planned on her being murdered by your incompetent accomplices. You're still guilty, though.

Powerful people have done stupid things but i put more stock in covering up a crime you discovered an ally committed rather than being in on the planning itself.

That being said, it's not impossible for Bush and Cheney to have had a hand in planning the attacks, just improbable.

I don't think it makes you a truther. By my definition, a truther is not arguing for something plausible or improbable but something flat out impossible or just stupid. The buildings were knocked down with controlled demo but planes were flown into them to cover that up? It doesn't even make any kind of sense. It's stupid raised to the power of 10. It's like arguing Bush flew the plant that went into Tower 1.

Not trusting the official report just makes sense, especially given how much weird shit went on around it. I just don't know what the truth is.

tanyev

(42,356 posts)
99. A glum GWB calls his good buddy 'Bandar Bush' in late 2000:
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 05:13 PM
Sep 2014

Bandar: George, you sound down. What's wrong? Your legal team is about to put you in the White House.

GWB: I know, but I'm still bummed. Dick and I really want to invade Iraq after I get inaugurated, but because of this whole democracy/constitution BS, we can't just declare war out of the blue. We need some kind of reason.

Bandar: I'm on it. Say no more. Seriously--say no more.


**not intended to be a factual conversation

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
103. the whole 9/11
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 05:24 PM
Sep 2014

debacle stinks of RW collusion and deception to be able to declare a illegal war for oil and to get rid of an uncooperative leader who had too much knowledge of american dirty dealings in that area of the world. All the people killed in this 'war on terror' because of the RW of this country. Stinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

johnnyreb

(915 posts)
105. The latest from former Senator and Joint Inquiry Co-chairman Bob Graham:
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 05:42 PM
Sep 2014
Ex-Senator: FBI covered up 9/11 investigation
September 11, 2014

Sarasota, Florida -- On the eve of the 13th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, we are now learning of allegations of a major FBI cover-up that connects Sarasota and the 9/11 hijackers to the Saudi Arabian government. As '10 Investigates' discovered, there is a growing chorus calling for the reopening of the 9/11 investigation and it is being led by one of Florida's most influential leaders: former Senator Bob Graham.

(....)

"There was a network supporting the hijackers," says former U.S. Senator and Florida governor Bob Graham.

According to Graham, the FBI has been covering up that fact for years, and continues to try and hide it even now. Graham says he is convinced there was a direct line between some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11th attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia.

(....)

"After having said there were 'no' documents about the investigation in Sarasota, 'no' has now become 80,000 pages." Graham adds,"I think that should be stunning to the American people, that an agency of our government would deceive its own people so dramatically."

(more)
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/investigations/2014/09/10/911-cover-up-fbi-former-senator-bob-graham/15401795/

(and a Part 2)
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/investigations/2014/09/11/bob-graham-fbi-911-coverup/15456013/

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
117. Thank you, johnnyreb!
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:21 PM
Sep 2014
"After having said there were 'no' documents about the investigation in Sarasota, 'no' has now become 80,000 pages." Graham adds,"I think that should be stunning to the American people, that an agency of our government would deceive its own people so dramatically."

johnnyreb

(915 posts)
121. You are most welcome, Sir Octafish!
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:52 PM
Sep 2014

Glory days may yet be nigh my friend, thanks to a functional and possibly-heroic Democratic Senator who never let up, and the People who gave him strength. Time for a song! Blow smoke in your eyes.mp3

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
125. Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 10:01 PM
Sep 2014

James Hatfield wrote that Bush was afraid of bin Laden aerial attack at G-7 summit in Geneva in April 2001. Bush was too chicken to sleep in the anti-aircraft missile protected luxury hotel on land, so the little coward stayed offshore aboard a U.S. destroyer. Hatfield wrote all about it:



Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield

Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?

CONTINUED...

http://web.archive.org/web/20060906150015/http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html



That was the last thing Hatfield, author of "Fortunate Son," wrote that got published in July, 2001, a few weeks before his suicide cough murder.

I'd download the copy off of the Wayback Machine. For some reason, I can no longer find it at Online Journal.

The amazing Amy Goodman still hosts an interview with the feller.

PS: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!! GNORP! Smirko McWarmonkey: "Smoke gets blown in your eyes."

lpbk2713

(42,696 posts)
107. Cheney ---- "Obama Is The Worst President Of My Lifetime"
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 05:55 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Wed Sep 17, 2014, 06:54 PM - Edit history (1)




Link: http://www.businessinsider.com/cheney-obama-is-the-worst-president-of-my-lifetime-2014-7


The Dick said these words just two months ago.

If there was ever any doubt how full of shit Cheney is,
his own words ought to put those doubts to rest.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
113. Likely it was to cover up their own connections.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 08:24 PM
Sep 2014

Bush and Cheney refused to testify under oath and insisted they appear together.

Cowards or Guilty.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
157. Remember how AG John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001?
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:22 AM
Sep 2014


Ashcroft Flying High

CBS News
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.

Asked if he knew anything about the threat or who might have made it, the attorney general replied, "Frankly, I don't. That's the answer."

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ashcroft-flying-high/

Johnny Ashcan knew. And DU remembers.

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
145. Hunter S. Thompson article from Sept 12, 2001
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:23 AM
Sep 2014

This is the Jesse Ventura link I found the HST link at:
http://www.ora.tv/offthegrid/article/uncover-911-hunter-s-thompson

Here's the HST link;
http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1250751

"The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now -- with somebody -- and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives."

"It will be a Religious War, a sort of Christian Jihad, fueled by religious hatred and led by merciless fanatics on both sides. It will be guerilla warfare on a global scale, with no front lines and no identifiable enemy."



Yes indeed, the self perpetuating Military Industrial Congressional Surveillance Complex Ike warned us about in 1960/61 is playing this ISIL fiddle and the entire world is dancing to it! ISIL is doing a great rope a dope job getting our best and brightest military volunteers to go over and get killed and maimed fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here. We will start another war to sacrifice our patriotic young volunteers to ISIL as per their wants.

Doesn't take much to play the American public like marionettes, does it?

Our state of perpetual war will not end in the lifetimes of anybody reading this.

We are truly "dumb all over, and maybe a little ugly on the side"



Hunter was remarkably insightful and perceptive, wasn't he? I need to re-read "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail 1972" again soon. It's been decades and I devoured HST as a young person.

-90% Jimmy

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
146. He got it in one.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:42 AM
Sep 2014

We've suffered so much blather, BS and obfuscation in these dozen or so years but he had it pegged the very next day.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
160. A voice in the wilderness I still sorely miss. He could cut through BS like butter.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:18 AM
Sep 2014

And knew enough of the truth about the past to plainly see our future.

gordianot

(15,226 posts)
169. A treason so grave it infects whoever sees the real evidence like the ebola virus.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:27 AM
Sep 2014

Eventually something will be released. It could and should ruin the reputation of all who saw the evidence and suppressed the truth. It starts with the Bush Administration who was warned and did nothing and follows whoever saw the evidence and does nothing.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
174. For the record, I do believe that many rich, powerful Saudis-including individuals within the govt.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:34 PM
Sep 2014

and quite possibly, even some members of the House of Saud (which has 15,000 members, FWIW-of which only 2,000 or so exercise most of the power over official Saudi state policy), actively have supported-and continue to support-or sponsored Sunni extremist groups around the world. All of this is not only possible, but very probable.

The thing is: the House of Saud, as we are all aware, is a heavy-handed autocracy that has zero accountability to the Saudi people. But moreover, they are loyal to each other, based on long-lasted family and tribal ties, as well as on their common religious/political ideology of Wahhabi Islam. Consequently, the House of Saud's members have a lot of latitude in "private activities"-which for at least some of them, almost certainly includes exporting their ideology abroad via fanatical, violent extremist groups that have included Al-Qaeda and its affiliates.

Furthermore, it is also quite plausible that within the Saudi government (particularly its intelligence agencies), Al-Qaeda has agents or sympathetic individuals, at least, represented.

All of this is speculation/conjecture on my part, though. We won't know for sure until those 28 pages are declassified. The fact that they haven't fuels the conspiracy theories and suspicions of complicity and coverup. So for that reason-and more importantly, because the 9/11 victims' families deserve to know the full truth-the pages ought to be released.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
175. Here's how you and anyone else can help
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:39 PM
Sep 2014

28 Ways You Can Build the 28 Pages Movement

1. Write to your representative or call them at 202-225-3121. Send a letter in minutes with our ready-to-print letters.

2. Write to the president or call the White House at 202-456-1111 and ask the president to keep his pledge to 9/11 families.

3 and 4. Write to your two senators or call them at 202-224-3121 to ask them to introduce legislation similar to H.Res.428. Here’s what to say.

5. Follow @28Pages on Twitter.

6. Use #declassify when discussing the subject in social media.

7. Contact your favorite reporter, columnist, TV host, blogger or podcaster and ask them to explore the issue.

8. Make and then share a YouTube video like this or this…or, if you want to get your groove on, maybe even this.

9. Write a letter to the editor of your newspaper.

10. Call in to a radio or TV talk show.

11-28 here:
http://28pages.org/2014/08/28/28-ways-you-can-build-the-28-pages-movement/

28Pages.org was launched in July 2014 to help build awareness of this classified material and to bolster the growing, bipartisan movement to pressure Congress and the President to finally disclose it. Use 28Pages.org to study the issue, follow efforts to declassify the 28 pages and learn how you can help pressure the government to do the right thing.

lindysalsagal

(20,433 posts)
177. The official story never added up.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:09 PM
Sep 2014

We let it happen to start middle east imperialism. Now americas bloodlust has mostly dried up.

We can only make things worse now.

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