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http://www.alternet.org/how-bush-administration-covered-saudi-connection-911How the Bush Administration Covered Up the Saudi Connection to 9/11
It's a story of how the White House sought to suppress evidence that would reveal how much it knew of the attack plot.
September 16, 2014 |
In his New Yorker article, posted on the magazines web site last week, Lawrence Wright tells how the Bush administration deleted 28 pages in the 2002 report of the Joint Congressional Inquiry on 911 probably because they describe in detail the Saudi connection to the Al Qaeda attack and Saudi financing of its operatives in the United Statespeople who knew two of the hijackers, and may well have been used as conduits for Saudi cash. Some of the money may have come from the royal family through a charity.
In removing the 28 pages Bush said the publication of the information would damage American intelligence operations. The Saudis deny all this.
In fact no one would be talking about it now were it not for families of victims of the attack and insurers, who are suing the Saudis.
Wright goes on to report:
But there are other questions here, and they involve the story of how the Bush administration sought to suppress evidence that would reveal how much it knew of the attack plot and didnt do anything to stop it.
- snip -
This story and the new piece by Wright strongly suggest the President, Vice President and head of the FBI were engaged in obstruction of justice. If so, that would call for the convening of a federal grand jury. Would the Justice Department, which runs the FBI, do that? Probably not.
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MaeScott
(878 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)If Americans found out what really happened and who knew it they would chase these higher ups down in the streets and string them up. It's no wonder people are hard at work coveting things up and sewing disinformation and fear into the collective psyche.
Boreal
(725 posts)is what this is. IMHO, it's to obfuscate and misdirect from facts like 9/11 was not only an inside job but US allies were all up in it.
Have you seen the five hour documentary, September 11, The New Pearl Harbor, by the Italian guy? Everyone should see it.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)9/11 families all accept the official story. Anything else is truther BS.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)I would be a member of one of those "9/11 families". And I don't buy the official story one bit. Thank God my sister's work shift in WTC1 didn't start until 10am.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)glad for you and your sis and all those who love her.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)My sister visited her company in the South Tower (above the impact zone) the week before, and she was due to go back the week after - she worked as an out of state agent but went to the home office regularly every several weeks Monday and Tuesdays.
She knew ~120 of the victims personally.
Glad to see the Truth struggling to shine through the shadows - it always does in the end.
Lenomsky
(340 posts)''9/11 families ALL accept the official story'' - Could you point me to that statistic?
There have been omissions maybe even distortions.
If N pages were removed or redacted then there could be some nefarious goings on as they are politicians after-all.
Why were the Saudis flown out on private charters a few days after 9/11.
I'm no troofer but feel some questions remain to be answered.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)You couldn't even go with truther? Making fun of the people who question the govt under the Bush admin. does nothing. The "troofers" are most likely the ones who are right, and they most certainly have not yet heard the troof.
Lenomsky
(340 posts)Troofer = Those that pretty much deny all evidence and troll endlessly.
Truther = Those that question the evidence, omissions, distortions etc.
I am a truther not to be confused with a troofer!
Some confusion I guess *shrugs*
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)over and over, "It wasn't a conspiracy, it wasn't a conspiracy." Their reality does not allow anything but what the great authoritarians tell them. But life is full of conspiracies. Politics is even more full of conspiracies. Karl Rove makes a good living conspiring.
And the attacks of 9/11 weren't an act of God, they weren't an accident, they were carefully planned. So carefully planned that the US intelligence agencies, arguably the greatest intelligence agencies in the world (if you go by how much they are funded) were totally fooled. It must have taken a lot of planning (conspiring) to pull this off.
Those that want to live in their comfortable denial bubbles, more power to you, but don't come out and try to disparage those of us that don't believe the propaganda put out by the oligarchs that rule this country.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I think you may have forgotten the sarcasm sign. From what I read and hear and from the families I talked to in NYC, they most certainly do NOT accept the official story.
father founding
(619 posts)This story is just a red herring, everyone and I mean everyone knows who the real perps are.
mahina
(17,502 posts)Care to summarize? Thanks.
groovedaddy
(6,229 posts)the stronger and stronger the stench gets.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)You have that right.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Yeah ... no.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)to legitimize and successfully implant the notion in the mass mind that any questioning of official doctrine on 9/11 is evidence of paranoid delusions.
Well Goddamit, I'm one of those lunatics.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)thing to try to ridicule those who want truth. Basically when the term conspiracy theorist comes out, you can damn well bet that shit has been distorted and covered up.
father founding
(619 posts)Because there are a lot of us lunatics.
niyad
(112,426 posts)publishing house would have ever touched it, because it lacked even the remotest sense of reality or plausibility. even works of fiction have to be somewhat believable.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)How come the vast, vast majority of experts and authorities in the fields applicable to the events of 9/11 haven't "come out" and said so? Not to mention all of the eyewitnesses, investigators, etc.
That's an awful lot of people who are complicit in hiding the mass murder of 3000 Americans.
The "official story"= a relatively small number of operatives affiliated with a known international terrorist organization managed to exploit security vulnerabilities in the United States. The end result of their operation-which in all likelihood, cost less than $1 million-was the worst terrorist attack ever committed on American soil.
There's no need to construct an elaborate fantasy of the US government being complicit in the mass murder of its own citizens. Unless, of course, you have an agenda of your own...
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)but are put into that lunatic "conspiracy theorist" pile and since they own the media, well....only their version of the truth is shown.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)If I get to be the one to make up the "evidence", you can bet your ass it will support my side. Overwelmingly even.
Baitball Blogger
(46,572 posts)Something about raising the volume on the t.v., which interfered with communications with the outside?
Anyone?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,572 posts)Richard A. Clarke, I believe?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)still, you're not allowed to discuss 9/11 unless you're supporting the bush admin's official account of the happenings of 9/11.
calimary
(80,693 posts)Yeah, you bet! The VP's WIFE gets into the top-secret meeting. And the poor dear JUST HAD TO watch the coverage on CNN, so she kept turning the TV up.
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MEETING.
WHILE they were trying to have the highest-level of teleconference and key people who couldn't be there in person because of the immediacy of the crisis and the fact that American airspace had just been closed, so they were patched in, electronically, from different parts of the country, on screen. It was a NATIONAL EMERGENCY, okay? Horrendously urgent! And Clarke said they couldn't hear each other DURING THIS INCREDIBLY VITAL AND URGENT MEETING, THAT DAY, because fucking lynne cheney couldn't keep her fucking hands off the volume control on the TV. Just exactly WTF was SHE doing in there in the first place, anyway???????
God, if that had been Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama, the GOP would be building a gallows in the middle of the Washington Mall right about now.
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)"God, if that had been Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama, the GOP would be building a gallows in the middle of the Washington Mall right about now."
And if Obama had been president at the time... He would have been sent to jail.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Feel free to PM me with it.
BobbyBoring
(1,965 posts)A great read!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Checking that one out before I leave the library today.
lark
(22,996 posts)- One of Bush's first acts in office was to remove any official scrutiny of anyone flying to US from Saudi Arabia. Clinton had made it mandatory that all Saudi residents be screened due to the extremist danger from there.
- Member of CIA report that when the American delegation met wtih Afghani Talibans prior to 9/11, they wanted to hand us Osama but Cheney said he wasn't interested. He said if the Afghani's agreed to the oil pipeline their country would be coverd in gold, and if not it would be covered in blood.
- Person who was head of air defense on 9/11 is same person who excused Bush from the Guard for political activity. The std. is air forces have to be mobilized within a very short timeframe (think I remember it being 15 seconds?) when theres a threat, yet no air forces were deployed until the 3rd plane was located, long after the first 2 planes hit the Twin Towers. Like someone wanted them to do the damage they did?
- Family members of Osama and the Saudi royals flown out with no interviews or interrogation by the FBI while the rest of our airspace was closed down. FBI request to ask them questions was flatly denied.
- When Cheney had his big oh-so-secret "oil" meetings, months before 9/11, maps of the Iraqui oilfields were included and we had no holdings or dealings with them at all.
- When the Atty. General flew to Europe the summer before 9/11, he went in a private airplane due to all the grave threats to commercial airlines.
There really are not words in the English language which describe the depths of Chimp/Darth criminality. They all come up short.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Dr. Philip Zelikow and the 9-11 Commission edited Secretary of Transportation Mineta's story. From Wikipedia:
During the September 11, 2001 attacks, Mineta issued an order to ground all civilian aircraft traffic for the first time in U.S. history.
Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission about his experience in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with Vice President Cheney as American Airlines flight 77 approached the Pentagon was not included in the 9/11 Commission Report.<3> In one colloquy testified by Mineta, the vice president refers to orders concerning the plane approaching the Pentagon:
There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, 'The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant.
Norman Mineta, (4)
Commissioner Lee Hamilton queried if the order was to shoot down the plane, to which Mineta replied that he did not know that specifically.(4)
Mineta's testimony to the Commission on Flight 77 differs rather significantly from the account provided in the January 22, 2002 edition of the Washington Post, as reported by Bob Woodward and Dan Balz in their series "10 Days in September"
9:32 a.m.
The Vice President in Washington: Underground, in Touch With Bush
Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta, summoned by the White House to the bunker, was on an open line to the Federal Aviation Administration operations center, monitoring Flight 77 as it hurtled toward Washington, with radar tracks coming every seven seconds. Reports came that the plane was 50 miles out, 30 miles out, 10 miles out-until word reached the bunker that there had been an explosion at the Pentagon.
Mineta shouted into the phone to Monte Belger at the FAA: "Monte, bring all the planes down." It was an unprecedented order-there were 4,546 airplanes in the air at the time. Belger, the FAA's acting deputy administrator, amended Mineta's directive to take into account the authority vested in airline pilots. "We're bringing them down per pilot discretion," Belger told the secretary.
" Expletive) pilot discretion," Mineta yelled back. "Get those (expletive) planes down."
Sitting at the other end of the table, Cheney snapped his head up, looked squarely at Mineta and nodded in agreement.
Dan Balz and Bob Woodward, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42754-20...
This same article also reports that the conversation between Cheney and the aide occurred at 9:55 am, about 30 minutes later than the time Mineta cited (9:26 am) during his testimony to the 9/11 Commission.
SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Mineta
Here's Sec. Mineta's actual testimony on YouTube:
It was left out of the report.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)at link:
Qatar did not deny they fund both al-Qaeda groups, ISIL and Front, but they told Steve Clemons of the Atlantic that ISIL is a covert project of Saudi Arabia's Prince Bandar.
Qatars military and economic largesse has made its way to Jabhat al-Nusra, to the point that a senior Qatari official told me he can identify al-Nusra commanders by the blocks they control in various Syrian cities. But ISIS is another matter. As one senior Qatari official stated, ISIS has been a Saudi project.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)That is a comprehensive look at what is going on.
This whole ISIL rise has always seemed fishy, now we know why.
Please make that an OP of it's own.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)They tie a lot of recent history together in a compelling way. How involved the Saudis are in directing ISIL is tough to pin down but a pattern is there.
A more detailed log of events and battles:
http://www.understandingwar.org/syria-blog
which includes stone cold analysis like this:
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)is the new bogeyman
By the way, why did they change it to Isil?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-vs-isil-vs-islamic-state--what-is-in-a-name-9731894.html
Ronbeaux
(35 posts)"Qatar did not deny they fund both al-Qaeda groups, ISIL and Front, but they told Steve Clemons of the Atlantic that ISIL is a covert project of Saudi Arabia's Prince Bandar."
He has been called "Bandar Bush" for years because of his close friendship with the Bush family.
edit: removed bad video link, see Fahrenheit 9/11
malaise
(267,796 posts)for truth
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I was screaming about this going back to Feb-Mar 02 when I quit the Intel world as I saw that everything was just a pretense for the beginning of the new endless wars.
Don't worry, I'm still a wacky conspiracy theory type... and more shit will eventually drip out to a large "who cares, that was a long time ago" general response. I'm 40 and I hope it comes out while I'm still around. BTW, the only tin foil at my house is wrapped around some baked chicken in the fridge.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)let's call them The Big Con Jobs, for lack of a more allowable term? In other words, what is the opposite of truthers?
Liars?
Officialers?
Agents?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Depending on where your head is at.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)That the word "Truther" is a slime is all one needs to know about post 1984 America.
Seeking truth is now to be mocked and ridiculed. A nation ruled by liars is not a free nation.
valerief
(53,235 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts).....or SUCKERS.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)government lie exposionist?
smart?
old dogs? -seen this shit before and know better?
father founding
(619 posts)F ing liars.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)anyone. They take it from whence it comes. I'd much rather be called a skeptic than gullible.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)conveniently wouldn't report on it.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)ybbor
(1,552 posts)Oh right, me.
I have never believed a word of the "official story".
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)I tried tracing through the various news accounts and court filings a few years ago and got the impression that though the families themselves are sincere, the case has attracted a lot of vultures who are hoping for a multi-billion dollar settlement from which they can peel of a few millions for themselves.
There are also vultures on the other side. Some DUers may remember ten or twelve years ago when there were stories about James Baker representing the Saudi royals -- that was to get them dropped from the list of defendants. Jack Abramoff's involvement with the General Council for Islamic Banks was also related to helping cover their asses.
In the end, I decided it was too large and complex a story for me to follow out on my own. But if anybody here is interested, I can post a summary of what I did find and links to more.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Please do so, starroute.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Thanks to starroute, Aerows and all good DUers, DU helps connect people to truth.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that KurtNYC posted that is a summation of Saudi involvement with the creation of ISIL?
That is an astonishingly comprehensive explanation of what is really going on. I found the whole rise of ISIL to be strange to begin with because there weren't enough dots to connect. Now we know why all of this is happening.
Any "friend" that tries to goad you into fighting someone you don't need to fight so that they can benefit at your expense is no "friend".
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Big line of corruption.
Brothers in Arms: Bandar Bush Took a Billion in Bribes to Push UK Weapons Deal
Written by Chris Floyd
Empire Burlesque
Thursday, 07 June 2007
So says the Guardian, which has had a sneak peek at the evidence compiled by Britain's Serious Fraud Office (SFO) in its lengthy investigation of vast corruption in a decades-long arms deal between Saudi Arabia and the Anglo-American arms merchant, BAE, Tony Blair's favorite war profiteer. The SFO's probe was preemptorily quashed by Blair's ever quiescent attorney general, Lord Goldsmith, last December. Now the Guardian has learned that BAE paid a quarterly bribe to Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud-- long-time ambassador to the United States, and so intimate with America's ruling family that the president nicknamed him "Bandar Bush." BAE was plying Prince Bush with $30 million every quarter -- for ten years. Nice work if you can get it.
The background to this sordid business can be found in a piece I did last year: Last Bad Deal Gone Down: War Profits Trump the Rule of Law. A brief excerpt below sets the scene:
Slush funds, oil sheikhs, prostitutes, Swiss banks, kickbacks, blackmail, bagmen, arms deals, war plans, climbdowns, big lies and Dick Cheney it's a scandal that has it all: corruption and cowardice at the highest levels, a festering canker at the very heart of world politics, where the War on Terror meets the slaughter in Iraq. Yet chances are you've never heard about it even though it happened just a few days ago. The fog of war profiteering, it seems, is just as thick as the fog of war.
But here's how the deal went down. On Dec. 14, the UK Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith (Pete Goldsmith as was, before his longtime crony Tony Blair raised him to the peerage), peremptorily shut down a two-year investigation by the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) into a massive corruption case involving Britain's biggest military contractor and members of the Saudi royal family. SFO bulldogs had just forced their way into the holy of holies of the great global backroom Swiss bank accounts when Pete pulled the plug. Continuing with the investigation, said His Lordship, "would not be in the national interest."
It certainly wasn't in the interest of BAE Systems, the British arms merchant which has become one of the top 10 U.S. military firms as well, through its voracious acquisitions during the profitable War on Terror including some juicy hook-ups with the Carlyle Group, the former corporate crib of George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush and still current home of the family fixer, James Baker. BAE director Phillip Carroll is also quite at home in the White House inner circle: a former chairman of Shell Oil, he was tapped by George II to be the first "Senior Adviser to the Iraqi Ministry of Oil" in those heady "Mission Accomplished" days of 2003. BAE has allegedly managed to "disappear" approximately $2 billion in shavings from one of the largest and longest-running arms deals in history the UK-Saudi warplane program known as "al-Yamanah" (Arabic for "the dove" . Al-Yamanah has been flying for 18 years now, with periodic augmentations, pumping almost $80 billion into BAE's coffers, with negotiations for $12 billion in additional planes now nearing completion. SFO investigators had followed the missing money from the deal into a network of Swiss bank accounts and the usual Enronian web of offshore front companies.
Bandar Bush was instrumental in setting up the deal in the first place, the Guardian notes, wheeling and dealing with Maggie Thatcher from his Washington redoubt. The prince -- one of the leading figures in perhaps the most repressive and extremist Islamic state on earth -- has continued to be influential with the White House even after stepping down as ambassador in 2005. (He's now head of the repressive state's security organs.) He's also played a key role in L'il Bush's political career -- making a deal to cut oil prices before the 2004 vote and publicly endorsing his "brother" in the election. One cannot but speculate on how much of the dirty BAE money was used to grease the overt and covert ops of the Bush political machine. According to the Guardian, Bandar's BAE bribes were drawn from BAE's slush fund and deposited in Bandar's account in Washington's Riggs Bank -- the notorious money-laundering outfit used for decades by American and foreign elites to wash their filthy lucre. L'il Bush's uncle, Jonathan Bush, was a top executive at Riggs Bank when it was hit with a record $25 million fine in 2004 for skirting money-laundering laws, as David Sirota -- and then the Washington Post -- report.
CONTINUED w/links...
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/060707Floyd.shtml
Guy knows how to turn a buck.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)are suddenly a lot clearer for me now!
Thanks, Octafish.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)this thread is reminding me of the DU of old.
father founding
(619 posts)Maybe Bandar is a real Bush, mind boggling isn't it ?
DhhD
(4,695 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)The case was brought by the Motley Rice law firm, and for anyone who's interested, their website has a long list of related documents at http://www.motleyrice.com/anti-terrorism-and-human-rights/9-11-litigation-relevant-documents.
In many ways it seems like a legitimate search for justice in the face of government obstruction -- but there are also huge sums of money involved, and that seems to have attracted some dubious players.
Here's a pdf of a Motley Rice press release from August 2002 announcing the suit:
http://www.motleyrice.com/files/9-11-to-bankrupt-documents/press-release-8-15-02.pdf
Seeking to expose the flow of money fueling terrorists and shut it off for good, more than 500 family members and survivors of the September 11 th attacks today filed the first major legal action against seven international banks; eight Islamic foundations, charities and their subsidiaries; individual terrorist financiers; the Saudi bin Laden Group; three Saudi princes; and the government of Sudan for bankrolling al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. . . .
The action, Burnett et al v. Al Baraka Investment and Development Corporation et al, charges the defendants with 15 counts under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, Torture Victim Protection Act and Alien Tort Claims Act; violations of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act; and tort claims, including Wrongful Death and Conspiracy. The plaintiffs, 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism, seek damages sufficient to punish the defendants and deter them from ever again funding terrorist activities. . . .
Two members of the Saudi royal family named in the complaint are Prince Turki al Faisal al Saud and Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz al Saud. The complaint alleges that in 1998, Prince Turki agreed not to extradite Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda members from Afghanistan and to provide generous assistance to the Taliban in exchange for bin Ladens agreement not to use the Afghani infrastructure to undermine the Saudi government. It also alleges that Prince Sultan has donated at least $6 million since 1994 to four charities that finance al Qaeda. . . .
The banking defendants in this case are Al Baraka Investment and Development Corporation, National Commercial Bank, Faisal Islamic Bank, Al Rajhi Banking and Investment, Al Barakaat Exchange LLC, Dar Al Maal Al Islami, and Al Shamal Islamic Bank. The charitable and foundation defendants are the International Islamic Relief Organization, Sanabel Al Kheer, Inc., Muslim World League, Saar Foundation, Rabita Trust, Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, Inc., Benevolence International Foundation, the World Assembly Of Muslim Youth, and a host of associated individuals, organizations and subsidairies.
In March 2003, a DC district court judge heard the first of several motions to dismiss. The case was later consolidated with others and moved to the Southern District of New York.
In 2004, they tried to depose Sibel Edmonds and were refused. By then, the firm was looking for a trillion dollars and had taken on an additional multi-billion lawsuit against the Arab Bank:
http://www.mafhoum.com/press7/221E16.htm
In a bid to both bankrupt those who finance terror and bring some sense of justice to its victims, the legal team that is suing the Saudis for $1 trillion has launched yet another massive lawsuit against prime supporters of radical Islamic jihad.
Filing in the Eastern District of New York last week on behalf of 700 survivors and family members of those killed by terrorism in Israel, legendary trial lawyer Ron Motley is seeking unspecified billions to continue his quest to change the face of counterterrorism.
In 2006, they were complaining that the Transportation Security Administration was denying them access to pre-9/11 documents that had formerly been in the public domain. By that time, the suit had grown to 6,161 plaintiffs.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/rep-sabo-911-families-urge-senate-to-stop-tsas-excessive-secrecy-56229492.html
The 9/11 families charge that TSA is hiding documents that are of no use to terrorists but would reveal how and why 19 hijackers were allowed to board four airplanes on September 11, 2001. Now, they are urging the Senate Homeland Security Appropriations Subcommittee to take similar action.
"Americans expect open and transparent government, and these 9/11 families are depending on it," said Rep. Sabo. "Though it has made some changes, TSA still has very poor procedures for designating Sensitive Security Information. Section 525 in the House Homeland Security Appropriations bill would force TSA to balance legitimate security needs with our nation's commitment to due process and freedom of information."
In 2009, the Supreme Court upheld a lower court decision that exempted the Saudi princes from being sued.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/29/supreme-court-will-not-he_n_222256.html
The Supreme Court has refused to allow victims of the Sept. 11 attacks to pursue lawsuits against Saudi Arabia and four of its princes over charitable donations that were allegedly funneled to al-Qaida.
The court, in an order Monday, is leaving in place the ruling of a federal appeals court that the country and the princes are protected by sovereign immunity, which generally means that foreign countries can't be sued in American courts. . . .
In their appeal to the high court, both sides cited the report of the Sept. 11 Commission. The victims noted that the report said Saudi Arabia had long been considered the primary source of al-Qaida funding. The Saudis' court filing, however, pointed out that the commission "found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization."
The victims' lawsuits claim that the defendants gave money to charities in order to funnel it to terrorist organizations that were behind the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
That's the most straightforward account of the suit that I can piece together from my notes of a few years ago. The complexities come in by way of the connections among Motley Rice, the Washington Group PR and lobbying firm which has the 9/11 Families as a client, and a "terrorism research institute" called the Nine Eleven Finding Answers Foundation, which is also represented by the Washington Group and which may be the successor to a dubious private intelligence firm called the Rosetta Group.
But that's the point at which it all gets very murky, and I never did figure out all the personal and financial connections among these various entities.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Triana
(22,666 posts)Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)It was a flight of Saudi VIPs going back to Saudi Arabia.
Suddenly that seems very significant.
calimary
(80,693 posts)country. Got them OUTTA there. THAT DAY. AFTER the FAA closed down the airspace. Somehow, they still managed to get a flight out. Hmmm... maybe they knew somebody?
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)all day long, but it is still true. People thought the world was flat for a long time, were taught that the world is flat, people were executed for disputing that the world is flat, but ... that doesn't make the world flat.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)why would Richard Clarke take responsibility for authorizing a flight that didn't happen?
That site seems highly agenda-driven, and "the truth" is clearly not the agenda that is driving it.
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)They're the ones whose family members in the US were flown back to the UAE the day after 9/11 when all other planes were grounded!
I thought I recognized that name!
calimary
(80,693 posts)I remember that. I remember how angry so many of us were. And we all talked about it. Some of us tried to get attention for it. NOTHING. Nobody wanted to listen to us. NOBODY. Not the media. Not our Dems. NOBODY.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)BENGHAZI! Will Fox News cover this new development, or has it been co-opted by the dark, shadowy forces determined to obscure the truth of Benghazi???
Cartoonist
(7,297 posts)in the official story. I do, I do, I do.
Here's something else that is just speculation. Remember when Bush broke the law (not speculation) by insider trading and the selling of stock in his failing oil company? He refused to name the mark he sold it to. (how do you get away with that?) Could it be that said mark was a Bin Laden or a Saudi royal? Great way to buy a favor from a powerful political family.
mountain grammy
(26,568 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)at this point in time I'm not sure anyone will really take notice. If people will still vote for McConnell who says they actually like ACA but won't vote for a Democrat because they vote for (R) and don't plan to change now says a lot to me. Then others will vote for Mark Sanford after EVERYTHING we've heard about him, I doubt "truth and reality" really matter much!
lordsummerisle
(4,649 posts)would rather have a rattlesnake represent them than Stephen Colbert's sister...
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Something that has bothered me - and a lot of people - since 9/11/2001: There is a standing order for the Air Force; if an airliner goes off its flight plan and doesn't respond to Air Traffic Control, fighters are to be scrambled to intercept. The fighter pilots are to make contact with the plane by radio, or by hand signals in case the radio is out and indicate that the pilot of the airliner is to follow the fighters to an emergency field.
If the crew of the airliner still does not respond: The fighters ARE AUTHORIZED TO SHOOT THE AIRLINER DOWN!
A few weeks ago, a general aviation plane went off course and didn't respond to Air Traffic Control. Fighters were scrambled to intercept. They made visual contact and determined that the windows were frosted over, indicating that the plane had lost pressurization. The fighters continued to track it out over the ocean.
Again, why weren't fighters dispatched for the 9/11 planes?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Dick Cheney was in a command facility directing military exercises over New England when the whole thing went down.
Why? The Vice President is not Vice Commander-in-Chief and has no military role. At the time of the hijackings, our Air Force was on high alert and planes were already in the air. Did Cheney countermand the intercept order?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Botany
(70,283 posts)ON 9/11/01 Dick Cheney had the pentagon playing a simulated war game that
was about hijacked planes and he had our fighter cover in the North East and clear
out to Greenland. Washington DC has the most protected air space in the world
but somehow a slow moving passenger jet got through to hit the pentagon long after
the 2nd World Trade Tower was hit. Meanwhile HW Bush and his Carlyie Group
buddies were meeting w/Saudis in Washington DC including some member(s) of the
bin Laden family.
In both Florida and in KY's horse country Saudi's were fleeing the country prior to
9/11/01.
BTW the wife of the Ambassador of Saudi Arabia had a member of a Saudi Government
agency meet some of the hijackers when the came into the USA, rent them an airport,
and give them spending money.
Only one thing to do ...... BENGHAZI!
Rex
(65,616 posts)And yet there was an entire fight wing sitting RIGHT THERE in D.C. Yet the came out of Langley! Why?
kairos12
(12,817 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Thanks for that!
Julie
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)AlterNet clearly states this by citing their source right in the first sentence.
druidity33
(6,435 posts)Raffi Ella
(4,465 posts)This story and the new piece by Wright strongly suggest the President, Vice President and head of the FBI were engaged in obstruction of justice. If so, that would call for the convening of a federal grand jury....
yup.
K&R
Rex
(65,616 posts)before he died in the WTC attacks.
Raffi Ella
(4,465 posts)or any of the names but in any case, I'm stunned by this information. This isn't conspiracy, this is what, when, where, why and who; it needs to be investigated. Period.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)(Sept. 11th, of course.)
Rex
(65,616 posts)Wouldn't play ball for PNAC.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)When we're supposed to believe planes can penetrate steel and concrete at sea level speeds and leave not one piece of debris in either hit outside the buildings, it's silly. All this shiny stuff is for the masses who don't want to think beyond what they've been told.
postulater
(5,075 posts)Do you have a link or other info on that?
I'd like to ask my daughter about that. She is a structural engineer and I'd like to hear her analysis.
She was 12 when that happened so remembers it a bit. She is now in grad school and just told me her professor discussed the towers on the first day of class this semester.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,593 posts)Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)Oh those darn furthers are just nuts!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)because PNAC saw it as the ultimate opportunity to implement their agenda.
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)As a conspiracy theorist. And label you a nut bag
.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)Or maybe I don't know what LIHOP is. We know the Clinton administration left a bunch of stuff about how terrorists were planning terrorism...And Bush didn't lift a finger to do anything about the terrorism because he was an idiot. So he...let it happen? Is that pretty much the gist of LIHOP, or does LIHOP require intent?
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)If not intent,collusion.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)From the New Yorker:
Posted January, 2013 by Professional Pilot Phillip Marshall, friend of some of the pilots that were killed that day, and who spent years researching the Saudi Connection.
Saudi Connection to the 9/11 Hijackers
So began my search for Middle Eastern operators of Boeing airliners. Because the hijackers were mostly Saudi Arabian, the firm of Dallah Avco, a Saudi operator of multiple private Boeing airliners, soon stood out as a focal point. To my amazement, I immediately discovered that Congressional investigators had already linked Dallah Avco with the actual hijackers. Omar Bayoumi, a Dallah employee and operative within the Saudi Ministry of Aviation, had provided housing and basic support for three hijackers: Nawaf al-Hazmi, Khalid al-Mihdhar and the pilot/hijacker of American 77, Hani Hanjour.
FBI evidence of the cell would confirm that the hijacking team of American 77 had formed and operated separately with direct financial support from top-level members of the Saudi government, bitter enemies of al Qaeda. The picture was beginning to clear.
...One Saudi official in particular, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Ambassador to the United States from 1983 to 2005, was quickly traced to direct funding of the hijackers, through cashiers checks, not from him he would say, but from his wife.
http://thebigbamboozle.tumblr.com/post/41340532273/saudi-connection-to-the-9-11-hijackers
The writer might be asked about further details he had uncovered during his years-long research but a month after excerpts from his book above were posted he was a victim of "suicide".
Google Earth Fun! - 32°30?35?N 111°19?31?W
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Interesting in that there are a whole lot of commercial jet aircraft there. as well as a sizable helicopter station....in a relatively small, out of the way location. Doesn't appear to be a military base or an aircraft graveyard Can you comment on this?
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)Here's Phillip Marshall:
...At the same time, from several old Iran-Contra sources I began hearing about a hush-hush airport used by the government contractor and mercenary outfit Blackwater, to train covert, special operations flight crews. I soon learned that major flight training had been conducted in the middle of the night with military and civilian airplanes in top-secret fashion. Blackwater is one of several operators that use the very airport I had run across Pinal Airpark, a secluded desert facility near the town of Marana, Arizona, and near the former home of Saudi Arabian pilot Hani Hanjour, the hijacker pilot of American 77. I discovered that over 80 perfectly airworthy commercial airliners are scattered around the airport and heavily guarded by a mercenary army with covert Saudi ties. The opportunities are perfect to borrow a Boeing for unlimited and undocumented air training in the dedicated practice range over the desert. The means and the opportunity to slip hijackers in for training were all in place.
Investigative author Jeremy Scahill had also discovered Pinal and written extensively about it in his 2007 book Blackwater: The Rise of the Worlds Most Powerful Mercenary Army. He traced Pinals four-decade history of clandestine paramilitary activity, from Vietnam and the famous opium cargo outfit dubbed Air America to todays government contracts in the War on Terror, such as the so-called Torture Taxi flights to U.S.-run detention facilities in Afghanistan. Scahill reports that these untraceable contracts govern operation of Blackwaters fleet of Casa 212 cargo planes that frequent Pinal. He reports that Blackwaters president Gary Jackson has been bold in bragging that Blackwaters black contracts are so secret, he could not tell one federal agency about Blackwaters work with another.
Air Blackwater, previously known as Aviation Worldwide Services, formed in early 2001, just when the 911 hijackers were in the final stages of training. Public statements said they were to provide military training operations and aviation transport for the U.S. government. AWS was then acquired by Blackwater in 2003, as the Iraqi occupation was getting under way. Gary Jackson announced that the new aviation department complements our strategic goal of providing a one stop solution for all of our customers security and tactical training needs. Tactical training, of course, raises a red flag. Evergreen International, an aviation company whose board includes the former head of the CIAs air operations, has taken over management of Pinal while the government doles out no-bid, untraceable black contracts to Blackwater, Aero Contractors, International Air Response, Evergreen, SA Incorporated and a host of others...
http://thebigbamboozle.tumblr.com/post/40856537710/want-answers-who-trained-the-9-11-hijackers-to-fly
Pinal Airpark
Marana (Pinal) became the headquarters of all Central Intelligence Agency air operations during the Vietnam War years, when it was the primary facility of Intermountain Airlines, a wholly owned CIA "front" company which was used to supply covert operations in Southeast Asia & elsewhere. Intermountain was infamous for its thinly veiled CIA special ops which included development & use of the Fulton Skyhook, but its cover was its non-scheduled freight & maintenance operations. Marana was the principal continental United States maintenance base for Southeast Asia CIA operations including Air America and Continental Air Services...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinal_Airpark
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Didn't know about Hanjour's proximity to this airfield, either. Just another coincidence in an ocean of coincidences, I suppose.
NealK
(1,788 posts)I wonder what Obama will do?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It's not a conspiracy theory if it better fits the evidence and sounds more plausible than the official story.
The nation has been on a steep downward spiral ever since 9/11. Up is down, war is peace and a healthy economy for the 1% is considered a recovery.
Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.
lordsummerisle
(4,649 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)have people tortured. The neocons got their war. The owner of the World Trade Center got his insurance money. The MIC got a trillion dollars. And China now owns a significant portion of the USofA. So, "Is everyone happy."
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)nt
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santamargarita
(3,170 posts)Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)why Bush & Cheney are not in prison?
Kingofalldems
(38,360 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)zappaman
(20,605 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)This "news" was brought up shortly after the incident, but was not covered. What makes people think that they will cover it this time.
And how much does anyone want to bet that the Saudis are behind this ISIS, ISIL, Iced Tea, or whatever crap it is?
djean111
(14,255 posts)cover up for Bush and Cheney. Bizarre.
SamKnause
(13,037 posts)We need a new investigation !!!!!!!!!!
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)nt
jollyreaper2112
(1,941 posts)There's a big difference between making an allegation that's plausible but not verified and something that's implausible or outright impossible.
The truther bits about the towers really being blown up with bombs or the planes not being involved in the attack or whatever is just nonsense and fails on a basic analysis.
The thought of a president or his top aides actively involved in the instigation and engagement of an act of mass terrorism on our own soil is more implausible, simply because the risk seems unaccountably high. This is the sort of thing that has consequence.
Covering up the involvement of others and yourself when people you had dirty ties with do something awful, THAT to me is plausible as all hell. They're all chummy with the Saudis and making bank in the kind of way that's winked at for as far as official corruption goes, no problem. Suddenly the black sheep does a terror attack on America and it turns out he's not as ostracized from the family as you've been told, now that seems very plausible.
From the outside looking in, a coverup looks like a coverup, whether it was "Muhahaha, we were in on it and are covering or tracks" or "Oh, shit, we were caught with our pants down and will be in big trouble so let's make sure any evidence we were derelict in our duty goes bye-bye."
pauldp
(1,890 posts)That's what covering up for those who funded 911 would make the Bush admin, and consequently part for a...wait for it.........conspiracy.
The 911 commission report was a pack of lies and half truths and was in no way
even a criminal investigation. It was even managed by a White House insider, Condie's close friend, Phillip Zelikow.
We absolutely need to know the truth. I guess that makes me a truther?
jollyreaper2112
(1,941 posts)But there's a difference in plausibility between being guilty of a crime and being an accessory. For example, I would find it very unlikely that a prominent lawyer or politician would be involved in murder versus being an accessory, i.e. cleaning up after the mess their son made.
It would seem like the blowback risk would be too big in actively making a 9-11 happen. What I could see happening is thinking a lesser attack was going to happen, maybe one that could be conveniently foiled and getting all surprised when it completely went out of hand. Kind of like the Fargo scenario: you plan the abduction and ransoming of your wife to get money from her dad who hates you, then she's released and all is fine. You never planned on her being murdered by your incompetent accomplices. You're still guilty, though.
Powerful people have done stupid things but i put more stock in covering up a crime you discovered an ally committed rather than being in on the planning itself.
That being said, it's not impossible for Bush and Cheney to have had a hand in planning the attacks, just improbable.
I don't think it makes you a truther. By my definition, a truther is not arguing for something plausible or improbable but something flat out impossible or just stupid. The buildings were knocked down with controlled demo but planes were flown into them to cover that up? It doesn't even make any kind of sense. It's stupid raised to the power of 10. It's like arguing Bush flew the plant that went into Tower 1.
Not trusting the official report just makes sense, especially given how much weird shit went on around it. I just don't know what the truth is.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Adnan Khashoggi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Khashoggi
Wallace J. Hilliard
do your own search DUers
tanyev
(42,356 posts)Bandar: George, you sound down. What's wrong? Your legal team is about to put you in the White House.
GWB: I know, but I'm still bummed. Dick and I really want to invade Iraq after I get inaugurated, but because of this whole democracy/constitution BS, we can't just declare war out of the blue. We need some kind of reason.
Bandar: I'm on it. Say no more. Seriously--say no more.
**not intended to be a factual conversation
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)debacle stinks of RW collusion and deception to be able to declare a illegal war for oil and to get rid of an uncooperative leader who had too much knowledge of american dirty dealings in that area of the world. All the people killed in this 'war on terror' because of the RW of this country. Stinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
johnnyreb
(915 posts)September 11, 2014
Sarasota, Florida -- On the eve of the 13th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, we are now learning of allegations of a major FBI cover-up that connects Sarasota and the 9/11 hijackers to the Saudi Arabian government. As '10 Investigates' discovered, there is a growing chorus calling for the reopening of the 9/11 investigation and it is being led by one of Florida's most influential leaders: former Senator Bob Graham.
(....)
"There was a network supporting the hijackers," says former U.S. Senator and Florida governor Bob Graham.
According to Graham, the FBI has been covering up that fact for years, and continues to try and hide it even now. Graham says he is convinced there was a direct line between some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11th attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia.
(....)
"After having said there were 'no' documents about the investigation in Sarasota, 'no' has now become 80,000 pages." Graham adds,"I think that should be stunning to the American people, that an agency of our government would deceive its own people so dramatically."
(more)
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/investigations/2014/09/10/911-cover-up-fbi-former-senator-bob-graham/15401795/
(and a Part 2)
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/investigations/2014/09/11/bob-graham-fbi-911-coverup/15456013/
Octafish
(55,745 posts)johnnyreb
(915 posts)Glory days may yet be nigh my friend, thanks to a functional and possibly-heroic Democratic Senator who never let up, and the People who gave him strength. Time for a song! Blow smoke in your eyes.mp3
Octafish
(55,745 posts)James Hatfield wrote that Bush was afraid of bin Laden aerial attack at G-7 summit in Geneva in April 2001. Bush was too chicken to sleep in the anti-aircraft missile protected luxury hotel on land, so the little coward stayed offshore aboard a U.S. destroyer. Hatfield wrote all about it:
Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?
By James Hatfield
Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:
July 3, 2001There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.
A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.
German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American targethis first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.
According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.
Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?
CONTINUED...
http://web.archive.org/web/20060906150015/http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html
That was the last thing Hatfield, author of "Fortunate Son," wrote that got published in July, 2001, a few weeks before his suicide cough murder.
I'd download the copy off of the Wayback Machine. For some reason, I can no longer find it at Online Journal.
The amazing Amy Goodman still hosts an interview with the feller.
PS: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!! GNORP! Smirko McWarmonkey: "Smoke gets blown in your eyes."
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)lpbk2713
(42,696 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 17, 2014, 06:54 PM - Edit history (1)
Link: http://www.businessinsider.com/cheney-obama-is-the-worst-president-of-my-lifetime-2014-7
The Dick said these words just two months ago.
If there was ever any doubt how full of shit Cheney is,
his own words ought to put those doubts to rest.
ymetca
(1,182 posts)One might start with Heinrich Mohn
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Bush and Cheney refused to testify under oath and insisted they appear together.
Cowards or Guilty.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Ashcroft Flying High
CBS News
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001
Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.
In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.
"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.
A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.
"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.
Asked if he knew anything about the threat or who might have made it, the attorney general replied, "Frankly, I don't. That's the answer."
CONTINUED...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ashcroft-flying-high/
Johnny Ashcan knew. And DU remembers.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)johnnyreb
(915 posts)spanone
(135,632 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)90-percent
(6,828 posts)This is the Jesse Ventura link I found the HST link at:
http://www.ora.tv/offthegrid/article/uncover-911-hunter-s-thompson
Here's the HST link;
http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1250751
"The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now -- with somebody -- and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives."
"It will be a Religious War, a sort of Christian Jihad, fueled by religious hatred and led by merciless fanatics on both sides. It will be guerilla warfare on a global scale, with no front lines and no identifiable enemy."
Yes indeed, the self perpetuating Military Industrial Congressional Surveillance Complex Ike warned us about in 1960/61 is playing this ISIL fiddle and the entire world is dancing to it! ISIL is doing a great rope a dope job getting our best and brightest military volunteers to go over and get killed and maimed fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here. We will start another war to sacrifice our patriotic young volunteers to ISIL as per their wants.
Doesn't take much to play the American public like marionettes, does it?
Our state of perpetual war will not end in the lifetimes of anybody reading this.
We are truly "dumb all over, and maybe a little ugly on the side"
Hunter was remarkably insightful and perceptive, wasn't he? I need to re-read "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail 1972" again soon. It's been decades and I devoured HST as a young person.
-90% Jimmy
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)We've suffered so much blather, BS and obfuscation in these dozen or so years but he had it pegged the very next day.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)And knew enough of the truth about the past to plainly see our future.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,780 posts)liberalla
(9,165 posts)K&R
panader0
(25,816 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)gordianot
(15,226 posts)Eventually something will be released. It could and should ruin the reputation of all who saw the evidence and suppressed the truth. It starts with the Bush Administration who was warned and did nothing and follows whoever saw the evidence and does nothing.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)"Impeachment is off the table".
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)and quite possibly, even some members of the House of Saud (which has 15,000 members, FWIW-of which only 2,000 or so exercise most of the power over official Saudi state policy), actively have supported-and continue to support-or sponsored Sunni extremist groups around the world. All of this is not only possible, but very probable.
The thing is: the House of Saud, as we are all aware, is a heavy-handed autocracy that has zero accountability to the Saudi people. But moreover, they are loyal to each other, based on long-lasted family and tribal ties, as well as on their common religious/political ideology of Wahhabi Islam. Consequently, the House of Saud's members have a lot of latitude in "private activities"-which for at least some of them, almost certainly includes exporting their ideology abroad via fanatical, violent extremist groups that have included Al-Qaeda and its affiliates.
Furthermore, it is also quite plausible that within the Saudi government (particularly its intelligence agencies), Al-Qaeda has agents or sympathetic individuals, at least, represented.
All of this is speculation/conjecture on my part, though. We won't know for sure until those 28 pages are declassified. The fact that they haven't fuels the conspiracy theories and suspicions of complicity and coverup. So for that reason-and more importantly, because the 9/11 victims' families deserve to know the full truth-the pages ought to be released.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)28 Ways You Can Build the 28 Pages Movement
1. Write to your representative or call them at 202-225-3121. Send a letter in minutes with our ready-to-print letters.
2. Write to the president or call the White House at 202-456-1111 and ask the president to keep his pledge to 9/11 families.
3 and 4. Write to your two senators or call them at 202-224-3121 to ask them to introduce legislation similar to H.Res.428. Heres what to say.
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napkinz
(17,199 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,433 posts)We let it happen to start middle east imperialism. Now americas bloodlust has mostly dried up.
We can only make things worse now.