Eating high-fat dairy lowers diabetes risk

[Omaha Steve]

http://www.enn.com/top_stories/article/47838

New research presented at this year's annual meeting of the European Association for the Study of Diabetes (EASD) in Vienna, Austria, shows that people with the highest consumption of high-fat dairy products (8 or more portions per day) have a 23% lower risk of developing type 2 diabetes than those with the lowest consumption (1 or less per day). The research is by Dr Ulrika Ericson, Lund University Diabetes Center, Malmö, Sweden, and colleagues.

Dietary fats could affect glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity and may therefore have a crucial role in the development of type 2 diabetes (T2D). Studies have indicated that replacing saturated fat with monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats might be favourable in the prevention of T2D. In line with this, plant sources of fat have been suggested to be a better choice compared with animal sources. Indeed, high intakes of red meat and meat products have been shown to increase the risk of T2D. Nevertheless, several epidemiological studies have indicated that a high intake of dairy products may be protective. Subsequently, the importance of dietary fat content and food sources of fat remains to be clarified. In this new study, the authors aimed to examine intakes of main dietary fat sources, classified according to fat content, and their association with risk of developing T2D.

The study included 26 930 individuals (60% women), aged 45-74 years, from the population-based Malmö Diet and Cancer cohort. Dietary data was collected with a modified diet history method. During 14 years of follow up, 2860 incident T2D cases were identified. Modelling was used to estimate hazard ratios (HR) of diabetes incidence in quintiles of energy adjusted dietary intakes. The model included adjustments for age, sex, season, diet assessment method version, total energy intake, BMI, leisure time physical activity, smoking, alcohol consumption and education.

FULL story at link.

[Hestia]

1. Forgive me but I can't helping thinking, "Brought to You By the Dairy Council"

Sorry...Interesting article though.

[Omaha Steve]

3. I'm no MD

I just provide the info for discussion.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

2. Note to self - More ice cream! woot! nt

[tridim]

6. As long as it's sugar free. nt

[elleng]

32. Nope!

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/artificial-sweeteners-may-disrupt-bodys-blood-sugar-controls/?_php=true&_type=blogs&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

[Jamaal510]

20. +1

[elleng]

31. Yup!

[Nay]

4. My question would be -- how do you eat 8 portions of high-fat dairy per day?

If a portion is 1/2 cup (which is a usual portion of other stuff), that would be 4 cups of milk, 4-8 oz. servings of yogurt, etc. That's quite a bit. 4 cups of whole milk is 600 calories, a third of the caloric intake recommended for women. That sequesters a lot of calories for one food item.

[tridim]

8. I drink about three glasses of whole milk per day

Some of it goes into my daily green/fruit smoothie. I also eat 1/2 cup of Kefir, and usually some cheese. It's easy, and delicious!

Cut your American carb/sugar levels in half (or more) and a healthy diet quickly becomes simple.

[Ilsa]

16. Some of us gain weight if total daily calories

Exceed 1300-1400 kcal per day even with exercise. I'm older with slower metabolism. No way would I drink that much milk, especially since I don't digest it that well.

[upaloopa]

30. How many carbs in that diet.

I have found that it is carbs I need to watch. I can eat calories and fewer carbs and lose weight or stay where I am.

[BrotherIvan]

42. Do you make your own kefir?

In our hot weather, it's really hard to control, but mmmm mmmm is it good. And if you ever have a stomache ache, it is the very best medicine. If I had goats, I would die and go to heaven because the fresh milk doesn't have the gamey taste and it makes incredible kefir and ice cream. I have some whenever I visit friends in Northern California.

Kombucha loves the heat so that I make for pennies and don't have to pay the crazy prices. I make mine in a ceramic cooking vessel and bottle it in beer bottles and it tastes almost like champagne. Lurve it.

More fat for everyone!

[SoCalDem]

33. That could depend on the size/volume of the portions

a small glass of milk ...or on cereal in the am

a cheese stick at mid morning snack

yogurt with sandwich at lunch (cheese on sandwich)

real cream (or half & half) in coffee during the day

cheese sprinkled on salad with dinner..real butter on bread

ice cream for dessert.

that's easily 8 "servings"

[eShirl]

69. Aren't butter and cream considered dairy?

and cheese?

[sendero]

76. I have to agree..

.. since weight is a huge factor in the development of type 2 diabetes, it's hard to understand how you can eat that much dairy fat and not get big as a house

[gollygee]

77. I was wondering that too

I'm a fan of whole foods, and IMO if you're going to have dairy, have the whole fat dairy, but that's an awful lot of it. And dairy products are sometimes accompanied by sugar (as in yogurt and ice cream.)

[hedgehog]

82. The article refers to 30 ml of cream as a portion - that's about 2 tablespoons -

about what you might put into several cups of coffee.

Also - 180 ml milk - about 3/4 cup.

[Nay]

84. OK, that makes more sense. Thanks. nt

[BrotherIvan]

5. This article is upside down and sideways

I don't blame you, Omaha Steve, for it at all. But they take back in the second paragraph what the study actually proves.

A high fat diet protects and improves diabetes: all fat, most especially animal fat. It has been shown time and time again that diabetics can actually control their blood sugars by eliminating sugar and carbohydrate, which means this must be made up with fat. This diet gets most of its calories from fat, up to 70% which is impossible to do without high fat dairy (cream), butter, fish oils, organ meats and meat. The only safe forms of vegetable oil are not industrial, so olive oil, coconut, avocado and nut oils. The only oils that are heat stable for anything above a light saute are coconut, avocado, and macadamia (which is a little too sweet for most things).

So it's not just dairy, and in this case, I am sure the Austrian study was nothing like the dairy we have in the US. You can taste the difference immediately. They usually have A2 cows that are pastured and don't rely nearly as heavily on the high yield techniques here and from what I have read, far less antibiotics and hormones.

[kentauros]

18. That second paragraph is rife with "weasel words."

Almost every sentence asserts with "may" "could" "might" and so forth. The second to last sentence in that paragraph is the most important one of all:

Subsequently, the importance of dietary fat content and food sources of fat remains to be clarified.

[BrotherIvan]

28. If you read the history of how we arrived at our current food recommendations it all becomes clear

Gary Taubes has written a few good books about it, but there are many others. In summary, it's all about the $$ for corporations and has nothing to do with human health. The Jungle was the first book to show the public how our food supply was changing due to what shipped well and they've been at it ever since.

[MoonchildCA]

7. I don't know...

This seems to make so little sense.
High-fat dairy, especially in excess, can cause you to be overweight. Being overweight is the primary contributor to type 2 diabetes.

Even the Mayo Clinic and the American Diabetes Association agree that a low-fat vegetarian diet can help control diabetes.

If I were at risk, I wouldn't be rushing to jump on the high-fat dairy wagon...

[tridim]

10. Healthy saturated fat doesn't get stored in the body as fat, it gets burned.

You're thinking of carbs and sugar, which do cause obesity and diabetes.

I used to be brainwashed by the food pyramid, so I understand the confusion.

[MoonchildCA]

12. Please do not condescend.

And do not assume I am "brainwashed" by the food pyramid as you once were.

In order to burn calories, one must expend energy, and fats are calorie dense.

I refuse to believe the latest fad of low carb diets, I think a portion of non-refined complex carbohydrates are an important part of a healthy diet. And yes, I agree sugar is bad.

[tridim]

13. The research has been done. It doesn't matter what you "believe".

You are free to discount all of it and reduce the dietary ideas that advanced Human evolution to a fad.

And I'm free to

[MoonchildCA]

24. Back atcha...

[muriel_volestrangler]

68. You need to link to that research to back up your claims

Here's research that contradicts you:

Fat and carbohydrate overfeeding in humans: different effects on energy storage.

Abstract

Both the amount and composition of food eaten influence body-weight regulation. The purpose of this study was to determine whether and by what mechanism excess dietary fat leads to greater fat accumulation than does excess dietary carbohydrate. We overfed isoenergetic amounts (50% above energy requirements) of fat and carbohydrate (for 14 d each) to nine lean and seven obese men. A whole-room calorimeter was used to measure energy expenditure and nutrient oxidation on days 0, 1, 7, and 14 of each overfeeding period. From energy and nutrient balances (intake-expenditure) we estimated the amount and composition of energy stored. Carbohydrate overfeeding produced progressive increases in carbohydrate oxidation and total energy expenditure resulting in 75-85% of excess energy being stored. Alternatively, fat overfeeding had minimal effects on fat oxidation and total energy expenditure, leading to storage of 90-95% of excess energy. Excess dietary fat leads to greater fat accumulation than does excess dietary carbohydrate, and the difference was greatest early in the overfeeding period.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7598063

"the dietary ideas that advanced Human evolution"

Your claims might look more persuasive if you didn't misuse 'evolution' like that.

[Holly_Hobby]

14. I lost 130 lbs.

by eating a high saturated fat, low carb diet. I was diagnosed as diabetic in 2011. My a1C was 9.3, my fasting blood sugar was 200.

3 years later, 130 lbs. lighter, a1c of 5.5, fasting 85. Normal blood lipids, normal everything. I don't have time to list the maladies that disappeared in those 3 years. My calorie count over those 3 years was around 2,300. I'm in my late 50's and suffer from degenerative disk disease, so I wasn't running marathons. Quite the opposite. I took a 30 min. walk every day with my dogs and that was it, besides laundry and some housework. More like stroll, actually.

So the saying that a calorie is a calorie wasn't true for me.

My doctor says the brain converts from burning carbs to fat easily.

On edit, I want to add that I'm not hungry like I used to be. I eat eggs, meat, cheese, cream, and veggies on a daily basis. I don't get hungry.

[mnhtnbb]

17. 2300 calories per day?!? Is that a typo? Did you mean to say 1300 calories/day?

[Holly_Hobby]

22. 2300 calories per day

There are a lot of calories in fat. I drink 1-1/2 gallons of cream in my tea on a monthly basis. Olive oil, cheese, eggs, etc.

[BrotherIvan]

36. I have read some women who increased their calories to over 3000 and still lost weight

Check out Sugar Free Sheila as she talks about it in depth. It's an old body builder's trick to get ripped: cut out the carbs completely. That's because the body stores a ton of water along with fat when one eats carbohydrates. They are not necessary to the body at all and screw up the metabolism in many ways. The surge of blood sugar after ingesting carbs is the reason why diabetes is rampant in adults and now children and pets. Humans evolved large brains for their size because they ate fat from organs and brains, leading to the saying, "the fat of the land" to mean the best.

[Holly_Hobby]

54. What we've been told about calories is all wrong

Honestly, though, by the end of the day, I can't eat another bite. I'm full and satiated, unlike what pizza and cake made me feel like. I sleep like a baby now with a full tummy.

[BrotherIvan]

56. YES!

We call it "Meat Belleh" which gets goofy smiles. Every time I eat something wheat especially, my body whacks me upside the head. I have had excellent luck with einkorn flour which is the original diploid flour when I really need it in a recipe which is not often, no bloating or digestive problems. Our favorite meal out is Korean BBQ because they know how to eat meat. I also am a seafood fanatic, but my friend is far less enthusiastic so that is a rarer treat than I would like.

To your continued health!

[tridim]

19. You're so lucky to have a doctor that gets it.

Congrats on your good health!

[Holly_Hobby]

23. She can't argue with my results

I don't understand why diabetics are advised to eat a diet of 60% carbs...carbs are our problem...we can't digest them. I don't miss them, they will kill me if I continue to eat them. Besides, I like my eyes, kidneys and feet too much.

[Nay]

38. I also ditched the higher carb diet that the ADA recommends. I don't even eat

especially high fat; I just cut out all rice, potatoes, pasta, cookies, etc., and have only a certain type of whole wheat bread and only a couple of slices a day. I can DIGEST carbs, but they are murder on my blood sugar.

I fear I'd gain weight too easily if I ate 8 servings of high-fat dairy every day! Maybe if I ate that dairy as my protein, and then only ate vegs and berries to complement the dairy. But that's much more restrictive a diet than the one I follow, which gives me an A1C of 5.8 and excellent blood work. My doc loves me -- he doesn't have to worry about me too much. I probably shouldn't mess with success, eh?

[Holly_Hobby]

55. We might need a tweak here and there as we age,

but I'm a happy camper at the moment. I eat a lot of dairy - cottage cheese, cheese, oh and Kroger Carbmaster yogurt rocks.

[Aerows]

62. I LOVE cottage cheese

My favorite is large curd. Yum, yum, yum.

Sometimes I sprinkle it with garlic for a little added kick. Just plain though it's delicious.

[Holly_Hobby]

74. I eat it plain, but for a change I add

a little mayo and tomato.

[DebJ]

66. My husband was diagnosed with diabetes over 20 years ago, long before I met him.

I constructed a diet for him two years ago, and he was able to get off of all of his diabetes medications. He gets about 57 percent carbs, 11 percent protein, and 32 percent fat (with as much of that as possible from olive and canola oil, fruits and veggies, etc.)

We met 12 years ago and married 10 years ago. He was more than 100 lbs overweight (he is six foot seven inches though).

For twenty years or more, his diet of choice was primarily breaded, fried meats, cheese, ketchup, bread, 4 liters of Diet Coke a day, and every afternoon,
a very high fat snack like miniature apple pies...and he ALWAYS chose the ones with the highest fat content. He was a teacher and every day he went hunting for the inevitable stores of cookies or cupcakes lurking in the building.

When I met him, I didn't know anything much about diabetes. Here's what he knew after 10 years: he should avoid potatoes.
He didn't though. In fact, while eating at a local diner, more than once I saw him order mashed potatoes and french fries with
a huge burger with cheese and then he'd add salt and about 4 tablespoons of ketchup. Diner servings are ENORMOUS. A normal portion
of heavy carbs like potatoes is supposed to be fist-sized. He ended up with about 6 servings. Gross.

The only success I had with changing his diet over those years was to substantially lower his fat intake on home cooked meals. I absolutely refuse
to serve breaded fried crap.

When I met him, he had already had a heart attack, losing part of his heart in the process, and several stents, and inoperable blockages, too. And
many other issues resulting from his diabetes, which he only 'monitored' by demanding an extra high dose of his diabetes meds from his doctor.
He always had this peculiar concept that there is a pill to cure anything.

Two years ago, he was told he had only 30 percent kidney function and was going to die unless he changed immediately. With my help, he did.
He eats six times a day, with a maximum carb of 65 at any meal or snack (remember, he's a big guy). He eats about a pound of fruit a day, which
is almost exclusively canned fruit because he has to keep his potassium at half what a normal person must have. His sodium is well under 1500 mg a day.
Because his protein is also restricted, I had to bump up his fat intake to 32 percent, but he has very little dairy (high potassium).

He is healthier than I am now. (I chain smoke and by the time I finish weighing, counting, and measuring every bite that he eats, and I do mean, every single bite, food is just work to me and my own appetite is often surpressed or erratic).

He is off of both of the diabetes meds he used to take. He is currently using cholesterol meds only as a precaution, and only one half a tablet twice a week. He's off his blood pressure meds also; he used to have several. He has energy to do things he never could before. His A1C runs around 5.8.

So, you can do that many carbs and control diabetes... his doctor almost dared to use the word 'cured'.

On edit: He went from 320 lbs to 204 lbs over 10 months. I had to reconstruct his 15 daily diet plans every four to six weeks to keep him steadily losing weight, then I had to reconstruct it about five times to move him back up to maintenance calorie levels. Took about 40 hours a month to just create the diet plans because he is restricted on sodium, potassium, carbs, protein and fats.... in everything. I'd tweak one thing to add calories, that would jack up the day's sodium or potassium so I'd have to change five other things to finally get it all to balance out. Nightmare. It's also a nightmare of dishes .... I go through eight sets of measuring spoons and a few sets of measuring cups every day. BUT: the nephrologist says he just doesn't understand why my husband isn't on dialysis yet with only 28 percent of his kidneys working. I'll tell you why OTHER people go on dialysis more quickly: the dietician's advice is ridiculous, coming down to just this: the basic food pyramid, and then 'avoid' leafy greens, dairy, and eat only 3 oz of meat a day. Let me tell you, that does NOT keep your sodium and potassium especially down. And the fool told me he should never eat more than 40 carbs at a time.... the DIETICIAN professional said 'NO ONE needs more than 40 carbs
.... the man is six foot seven, and she's telling me he only needs the diet of a five foot three woman. Useless advice, useless.

[MoonchildCA]

25. I believe that.

These diets wouldn't be so popular for so long, if they didn't have results.

This article isn't directly promoting a high protein, low carb diet specifically though, it's only promoting adding high fat dairy to a diet.

I think short-term weight loss is fine. I question the long term affects of eating this type of diet permanently.

Contrary to my new condescending friend, above, there is quite a bit of research saying that there are health risks to these types of diets. There may be situations, such as yours, where the benefits out weigh the risks. You are also being closely monitored by your physician. But for an average healthy person, it would be to their benefit to research both sides thoroughly before embarking on one.

[BrotherIvan]

40. It is actually high fat, not high protein that is the key

And the health benefits are documented all over. Countries in Europe are not amending their dietary recommendations now to fit reducing carbohydrates because the results have stood up to rigorous studies and the results are undeniable. Our medical community has quite a ways to go to get there because of pressure from corporations.

[Holly_Hobby]

57. What works for me may or may not work for you

I have a 45 y.o. obese niece that tried it. She only lost 10 lbs. in 4 months. It just doesn't work for her.

Lots of people are having great success on Paleo, too.

The normal American diet was killing me, I had to do something else.

[MoonchildCA]

65. Agreed. :) n/t

[bigwillq]

50. Good for you!

[Aerows]

39. I weigh 115lbs. on a good day.

I don't eat a bunch of sugar (or substitute sugar, either) and I love cheese in all of its glory.

I'd likely starve to death without the wonders of dairy products.

Everyone has a different body and you should find what is right for you. You will pry the milk from my dead, calcium laden, strong bony hands .

[Holly_Hobby]

58. That's hilarious...

I had a bone DEXA scan last year. For a woman my age, normal is 1. I'm at 4!

Love dairy, couldn't live without it.

[MoonchildCA]

67. I didn't say anything was wrong with dairy.

I was simply surprised at the recommendation of eating large amounts of high fat dairy, when obesity is the number one cause of type 2 diabetes. I did not completely refute the study, it just seems counter-intuitive. But hey, it's one study, I'm sure more research will be done on the subject.

I do eat dairy, though I don't eat a lot, and I never eat low fat. I too am 115, on a good day, and I'm 5'8". Cutting out fat is not a priority to me, though I prefer to not over-indulge in animal fat.

I'm of the belief that eating whole foods and lots of veggies, unrefined and unprocessed, and organic when possible, is a pretty safe bet on having a healthy diet.

[spinbaby]

70. Diabetes causes fat

Not the other way around. Insulin resistance causes weight gain. I've lost over 100 pounds and it's done nothing for my insulin resistance--if I eat carbs in more than tiny quantities, I gain weight, and I still take meds for diabetes.

[eridani]

71. ^^this^^

Diabetes is genetic, period. There is no cure. However you can be diabetic and succeed in controlling your blood sugar levels.

[pansypoo53219]

9. well, this makes 1/2 + 1/2 look better than milk in my coffee + i must up the whipping cream

more butter delivery veggies. too late for my brother.

[tridim]

11. Have you ever tried butter in your coffee?

Try it, and thank me later. It's soooooooo good.

[politicat]

37. Salted or unsalted, and what about the slick?

I can do cream, but butter doesn't work for me. The mouth feel is all wrong.

[BrotherIvan]

41. You can also use coconut oil or unsalted butter

Mix in a high speed blender with a hot drink such as coffee or tea (the original chai recipe has butter) and it becomes a creamy elixir that keeps you full for hours. Getting your fat in early in the day really helps with blood sugar. I go for full fat raw cream and it is a real treat.

[politicat]

45. I'll just stick with cream.

Most breakfasts are egg cooked in butter, local not CAFO pork sausage or ham, and vegetables.

I do admit that the switch from vegetarian near vegan to whatever it is we're doing now was difficult, but worth it. Waiting for spouse's bloodwork, but mine last month had fasting blood sugar at 79.

When spouse was first dx'ed with insulin resistance, the first nutritionist recommended going veg. Worst mistake ever.

[BrotherIvan]

47. Good for you

I was vegetarian for 7 years. All my hair fell out and my joints were inflamed. I was young and thought I was headed for a life of disability. No energy and depressed. We changed to a Primal/Paleo diet (adding butter and dairy) focusing on traditional foods and it is like night and day. I've said here before, when I eat clean for a few weeks, I feel super human. My workouts double, my sleep is amazing, and focus and concentration are at peak. I do spend more time shopping for food and cooking than ever before, but we haven't had a cavity or sickness in this house above a 24-hour minor cold for almost a decade. It's like a miracle and we love what we eat. We buy meat directly from the farmer, saving tons of money and vegetables from the farmers market that are gorgeous and have so much flavor. The only thing I wish we could change is growing our own, but living in an apartment in the middle of the city has put a damper on that.

Our best friend helped to put their son with Crohn's in permanent remission without steroids or surgery and now his doctors at Stanford are recommending this diet as well. Another friend no longer has debilitating migraines. Another one no longer has panic attacks or takes anxiety medications. And of course, weight loss even when that was not the goal. It is the easiest, cheapest, healthiest thing you can do for yourself. It's too bad that doctors have been steered in the wrong direction for so long. Too many people have had to suffer because of it and it's just sad. I want to run up and tell everyone about it, but I know that they will change their lifestyle when they are ready and hope they get good information.

[hedgehog]

83. We've been told to avoid fat like the plague, but a bit of fat on your vegetables helps your body to

absorb some of the vitamins.

[justiceischeap]

15. It just goes to show that sometimes researchers don't know what the hell they're doing

You've got research in Europe that states eating high-fat dairy is kinda good for you and in America, we're told to avoid it.

In Europe, they tell pregnant women it's okay to have a glass of wine a day, in America, you look at a drink and someone is calling the police on you.

I'm just gonna keep eating and see what kills me in the end.

[hifiguy]

21. Nothing that tastes as good as high-fat French cheeses

can be a bad thing. Mmm.... Epoisses!

[Omaha Steve]

26. Seems I threw a bomb in the room to see what would happen

This has been spirited and interesting to say the least.

[OriginalGeek]

34. Hey when I eat that much dairy

I throw some bombs too.



Well, more like chemical warfare really.

[BrotherIvan]

44. Raw milk or goat milk doesn't have the same problem

But I believe the article is really about fat, not dairy in particular. Try adding in butter or ghee (no lactose), coconut oil, lard (yes, lard from pastured pigs which contains EFAs as well as large amounts of Vitamin D), tallow, olive oil, macadamia oil, and avocado oil. Avoid all seed oils with the exception of the before mentioned and perhaps flax (though there's still some controversy) that is cold pressed and never heated. Cut the carbs and sugar completely for at least a month and up your fat as much as possible. Yup, as much as you can because your appetite for fat is self-limiting. You can't eat gobs of steak or bacon (well maybe at first, because bacon!) but you can scarf down pasta, cookies and cake and want more. Just try it for a month and if you don't feel incredibly well, then stop. For some people, their digestion and metabolism is so messed up it takes longer, but there is still the glimmer that things are on the mend.

I personally know so many people who have benefitted and many who did not know their health issues could be solved by the correct diet (diet as in what you eat, not restrictive diet). It is hard to stay vigilant as carbs are everywhere, so you do end up cooking a lot more. If you are craving a treat such as pizza or cake, you can eat it, but after a while you realize it makes you feel so awful, you end up avoiding it naturally. Plus, there are tons of recipes for modified versions of those same things and they taste great.

[OriginalGeek]

49. yes bacon!

lol great post - BrotherIvan - wish I had a rec button for it. I was cutting down on sugar - stopped all soft drinks and only drink plain tea and black coffee (and beer)(and scotch) (but those are not even every week things)...but I have been backsliding some...maybe a Coke or two a month and I keep thinking "Oh I haven;t had a cookie in a while" and a package of Oreos later I think "OH I haven't had cake in a while...."

[BrotherIvan]

59. Yeah, sometimes it is tough

My weaknesses are Mexican Food, fried breaded foods like shrimp, and banh mi sandwiches. So I do have them on rare occasions and my stomach makes me pay for it. There are a lot of substitutes for carby foods that taste quite good, but sometimes I don't have the time to make them, so we stick with mostly vegetables, salads, eggs and meat. We also only eat twice or sometimes once a day because your hunger goes way down when you are getting the nutrients your body needs but never ever deprived.

So don't worry about being perfect, just keep going and pretty soon all those things taste too sweet. And you'll feel so good you won't want to mess it up.

[Aerows]

27. It also provides such

tasty things as 4% cottage cheese, macaroni and cheese, goat cheese, parmesan cheese, blue cheese, cheddar cheese and about fifty million other things that involve cheese that my life would seem hollow without.

Not to mention, I'll go have a glass of milk now .

[aikoaiko]

29. Pass the ice-cream.

[AtomicKitten]

35. mmmm

cheese

[Aerows]

64. Standing between me and cheese

is a good path to injury. (Just kidding).

Seriously though, how can people prefer sugar over cheese? I drink LOADS of Iced Tea every day ... but it is unsweetened and decaf. I have never been able to tolerate sweet drinks or anything in my coffee or tea.

A life without cheese is anathema to me!

[still_one]

43. If it was high fat and low carbs it would be expected, but how about cardiovascular disease?

[grasswire]

46. we now know that cholesterol doesn't cause heart disease

Inflammation causes heart disease. It is inflammation that allows plaque to clog arteries.

But I wonder about the effect of more dairy on inflammation in the body.

[BrotherIvan]

48. Grains lead to massive inflammation

Milk, as in milk you get in the store that is ultra-pasteurized and skimmed is pretty much worse for you than good. Even the big name organics are not great.

You are correct that inflammation as well as high insulin is thought to lead to heart disease now. They are also linking inflammation to some cancers. Get your EFAs people!

[drray23]

51. well since i have been a kid

I always have had a big glass of cold milk ( organic and not reduced fat ) before bed. So perhaps i am on the right track..

[JustAnotherGen]

52. I'm home alone for three weeks

I feel a lot better about dinner being "finishing off" the last of the Haahen Das chocolate ice cream right out of the carton with hot fudge.

Does hot fudge prevent anything?

[quaker bill]

53. Did this two years ago

When I first read about it. I have dropped 80 pounds with only dog walks for exercise and have gotten entirely off the metformin. I make my own icecream to assure that it is full fat, no modified starches. Plenty of bacon, the occasional steak.... vegies and just a few carbs.

My blood sugar is controlled and it has done a world of good for my lipid profile as well.

[LeftyMom]

60. Says a study using one of the few populations on Earth who can digest the stuff.

[XemaSab]

63. And with one of the lowest incidences of Type 2 diabetes in the world

[eridani]

72. It's the sugars in milk, not the fat, that is indigestible for most n/t

[LeftyMom]

80. Still indigestible to most humans.

Except a few populalations of mutants.

[eridani]

81. That's how come yogurt was invented

Fermentation gets rid of the indigestible sugars, leaving the protein and fat behind.

[taught_me_patience]

61. Lowers diabetes but increases cardiovascular risk!

insane to follow this BS.

[mnhtnbb]

73. This is a fascinating discussion. One of the reasons I love DU.

I ended up on Amazon (Smile) last night and ordered Gary Taubes' Good Calories, Bad Calories;
Catherine Shanahan's Deep Nutrition; and Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint 30 Minute Meals.


And my favorite animal rescue charity, Hope for Paws, will benefit from my book order.

Thanks, Omaha Steve, for the OP!

[sendero]

75. Just a quibble..

... but I wish your title included "type 2". Type 2 diabetes bears little relationship to type 1, the results are similar but the causes couldn't be more different.

[merrily]

78. Remind me: why did America switch to low fat and no fat

in the first place? It sure wasn't because they taste better, have a better texture or make your cuppa look more appealing.

Studies about cholesterol and obesity, wasn't?

So, now, yet again, years down the road, they're telling us to go back to exactly what we were doing for endless generations-until they got us to change? Didn't Woody Allen make a movie like that?

I am starting to think that that no study at has ever actually been conducted and all these reports of studies have been prepared by aliens for the sole purpose of driving us nuts. How's that for a conspiracy theory? j/k

I had read or heard a good while back that all the stuff they were adding to no fat dairy and low fat dairy to make them more appealing to us made those things less healthy and maybe even more calorie laden than "unskimmed" dairy. So, I switched back to whole milk and whole yogurt then.

Tip: Organic milk with zero additives, even vitamins, of any kind tastes almost like half and half in your cuppa, with fewer calories, and rarely goes sour in the fridge. I haven't had to throw any away yet, which may, over time, make up for the difference in cost over non-organic milk. I have not attempted the math because I don't drink enough milk to make extra cost of organic an issue.

But, I agree with Erich. mmmmm more ice cream. (preferably also without additives-check Hagen Daz for flavors that, while not organic, are at least additive free).

[djean111]

79. Low carb works for me. All I need to know. Net carbs important, calories not important.

And always, always, check that number of servings number. Multiply and see what would happen if you ate the whole thing at once.

I told doctor I was a low carber, last year, when she remarked that, in my v. high sixties, my bloodwork was really good, and I need no prescriptions of any kind.
Last time I saw her, she had lost weight - because she went low carb.

Low-carb - or any diet - when people say oh, I lost weight on low carb but gained it back when I went back on my "regular" diet - FFS, "diet" just means what you eat. If what you were regularly eating before eating low-carb (or whatever) made you fat, then why would it not make you fat when you resume eating it? WTF? There is no "free lunch". Duh.

Started low carb back when it was The Drinking Man's Diet. On and off it over the years, because I do love bread and pasta, but lose weight and feel better when I limit carbs to under 15-20 (at most) a day. When I accumulate enough tips/recipes - I will start a blog, I think.