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big_dog

(4,144 posts)
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:59 PM Sep 2014

Rick Joyner of Morningstar Ministries: Second Law Of Thermodynamics Disproves Theory of Evolution

During his "Prophetic Perspective on Current Events" program last week, Rick Joyner set out to discuss the topic of "Bedlam on the Border" but quickly got distracted and ended up explaining instead how the Second Law of Thermodynamics fundamentally disproves the theory of evolution.

As Joyner explained it, the Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "everything will trend toward disorder unless it is acted upon by an outside, intelligent source." That is, of course, not what the law says at all, but in Joyner's understanding, it proves that evolution is false.

Joyner argued that the Second Law of Thermodynamics proves "absolutely to the kazillionth power" that all of the events necessary to create life on earth could not have happened by accident, before asserting that "a lot of people don't understand how that impacts the theory of evolution." But Joyner does.

"It fundamentally disproves the theory of evolution," he said. "The theory of evolution is impossible. It is absolutely impossible. That's why they've never found the missing link. It doesn't exist. If it existed, you'd be finding it everywhere all the time. It would be everywhere you look ... And sooner or later, we've got to realize how stupid the theory of evolution is. You have really got to be out of touch to believe something like that":
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Rick Joyner of Morningstar Ministries: Second Law Of Thermodynamics Disproves Theory of Evolution (Original Post) big_dog Sep 2014 OP
What the HELL does the second law of thermodynamics have to do with Evolution? Ecumenist Sep 2014 #1
Yawn. GoCubsGo Sep 2014 #2
That crackling sound you might be hearing... ck4829 Sep 2014 #3
There is a fundamental lack of science education in America Stryst Sep 2014 #4
I'm crying sarisataka Sep 2014 #5
I love when idiots try to discuss physics... opiate69 Sep 2014 #6
They've been pushing that line for years! LongTomH Sep 2014 #7
Hmmm, seems to me, the way to create entropy in louis-t Sep 2014 #8
Fail. Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #9
Isaac Newton is hifiguy Sep 2014 #10
ha, WTH is this, big_dog? Raffi Ella Sep 2014 #11
It's 2014 and they still want to say science is evil hocus pocus. lpbk2713 Sep 2014 #12
Nothing in there about "intelligent source." MineralMan Sep 2014 #13
The dumber and more easily disprovable a statement is, hifiguy Sep 2014 #14
No, Rick. Maedhros Sep 2014 #15
To the kazillionth power??? Initech Sep 2014 #16

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
1. What the HELL does the second law of thermodynamics have to do with Evolution?
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:06 PM
Sep 2014

DAMN....This is why people are running from Christianity. This moron has NO IDEA what he's talking about. This is ASTOUNDINGLY idiotic...

ck4829

(35,038 posts)
3. That crackling sound you might be hearing...
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:14 PM
Sep 2014

It's the brain damage you are getting from just looking at Joyner's absolutely mangled interpretation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Stryst

(714 posts)
4. There is a fundamental lack of science education in America
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:18 PM
Sep 2014

This is one of the flashing warning signs that maybe we need to fix something.

louis-t

(23,267 posts)
8. Hmmm, seems to me, the way to create entropy in
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:25 PM
Sep 2014

a closed system is to let a bunch of right-wing whackos create that libertarian utopia they've always wished for.

I think I may have invented a new word. I accidentally typed "livertarian". Ah made a funny!

Raffi Ella

(4,465 posts)
11. ha, WTH is this, big_dog?
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:42 PM
Sep 2014

Do you have anything to add here or did you just want to see this posted at Democratic Underground.


lpbk2713

(42,736 posts)
12. It's 2014 and they still want to say science is evil hocus pocus.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:46 PM
Sep 2014



What this proves more than anything else is that there will always be a republicant party.


OMFG


MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
13. Nothing in there about "intelligent source."
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:47 PM
Sep 2014

It's about energy, not intelligence. Intelligence is something with which this Rick Joyner person is unacquainted, apparently.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics is among the most stupid of all the arguments against evolution.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
14. The dumber and more easily disprovable a statement is,
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:52 PM
Sep 2014

the more certain it is that it will be cited as gospel by the knuckle-dragging Jebus-wheezers.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
15. No, Rick.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 04:58 PM
Sep 2014

The Laws of Thermodynamics state that:

1: The energy of the universe is constant. One cannot create or destroy energy, only change it from one form to another.

2: The entropy (disorder) of the universe is always increasing.

3: The entropy of a perfect crystal, at absolute zero, is exactly equal to zero.

Rick is misinterpreting the second law. While small parts of the universe may change from a disordered state to a more-ordered state, e.g. salt crystals (ordered) forming from a brine (disordered), the overall disorder of the universe still increases. The second law says nothing about "outside, intelligent sources."

I believe he is conflating the Second Law of Thermodynamics with Newton's First Law of Motion which states that an object at rest will stay at rest, and an object in motion will stay in motion with the same speed and in the same direction, unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

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