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(3,962 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)redruddyred
(1,615 posts)I'd start riding the old bicycle again.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)but what exactly is "all the stuff fracking puts in the air"? Please link to actual science on the subject such as EPA data. Thank you...
niyad
(113,581 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)If not, why post it? There was certainly no comment by the poster disagreeing with it.
niyad
(113,581 posts)the save.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Ok....
niyad
(113,581 posts)does, or does not, believe, and this has now gone beyond tedious.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)I support oil and gas extraction. I support the jobs it creates and its necessary for our economy. No responible leader of any party opposes it. There are no problems with most of the wells. I oppose shouting and yelling junk science -- mainly by journalists, not scientists -- which claims there are all sorts of problems without giving any scientific evidence whatsoever. The OP is a prime example where it is trying to claim a man got emphysema from fracking.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)These tiny dust particles, usually only a few microns in diameter, when inhaled in the lungs can lead to Silicosis - cancer of the lungs that poses a danger to miners and nearby communities.
Frac sand linked to lung disease in workers
The chronic silicosis caused by silica exposure poses unique dangers for employees working at frac sand mining sites. Because long-term exposure can be fatal, the Labor Departments Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) issued draft regulations designed to reduce the health risk and previously issued a hazard alert.
Sand is basically silica and breathing in silica is one of the oldest known workplace dangers. Inside the lungs, exposure to the tiny particles has been shown to sometimes lead to serious lung diseases like silicosis and lung cancer.
- See more at: http://www.earthworksaction.org/issues/detail/frac_sand_health_and_environmental_impacts#.VBo36i5dVys
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)I got nothin'.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)by the Southwest Pennsylvania Environmental Health Project
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2014/06/26/air-pollution-spikes-in-homes-near-fracking-wells/
former9thward
(32,082 posts)The Speck readings do not reveal the nature of the particles or the presence of other pollutants, such as volatile organic compounds.
madamesilverspurs
(15,809 posts)the comment has been made to me, most recently by my pulmonologist. He's grown increasingly concerned as his patient load has increased well beyond normal expectations. We have 21k wells in the county, more than a hundred already within city limits with several hundred more scheduled. The city and county governments are in a swoon over all the money, and sneeringly dismiss any concerns from citizens, even when those citizens are MDs with damned good reason to be worried about their patients.
This is my home, I was born here 66 years ago, and I well remember the air before it was filled with all this crap. I'm now on 4L of oxygen, my regulator only goes to 5L. My lung doctor routinely meets with MDs of other specialties as their numbers increase in concern. The company that provides my breathing equipment is seeing significant increase in customers, mostly among younger people. The hospital's pulmonary rehab clinic is packed.
Rather than casually dismissing their concerns (and mine), try looking beyond whatever drives your skepticism to find out what medical professionals in your own community think on the issue. I could offer a rather impressive stack of sources, but experience has taught that information coming from me is regarded as 'suspect' given what I'm dealing with; there's plenty of research available, please avail yourself of it without limiting your search to studies that confirm your denial.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)So far no one has provided any. I am sorry you are on oxygen but your experience is not science. It is anecdotal and as people get older medical issues arise no matter where you may live.
madamesilverspurs
(15,809 posts)He was presented with 700 pages of peer reviewed studies detailing very scientific evidence. He moved the stack of papers aside with the comment "It's irrelevant", probably because it didn't occur to him to use the word "anecdotal". I guess my next move is to inform my doctors that your 'science' outweighs their training; no doubt, they will will be greatly relieved.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)It's pretty obvious that fracking pollutes the air and makes it harder to breath for all of us, but especially for those with respiratory conditions and for those who are using air tanks.
There's a guy that goes to the same grocery store that I shop at, and he pulls a small, portable air tank behind him to get around.
Seeing him always reminds me how important our air quality should be to ALL of us.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)we know from scientists that fracking definitely has been the cause of earthquakes.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)I don't know if you have appointed yourself to speak on behalf of all scientists or everyone on DU.
Seismologist: Fracking doesn't cause earthquakes
MORGANTOWN, W.Va. (AP) Human activity associated with oil and gas production can sometimes cause earthquakes, but the problem is not hydraulic fracturing, a seismologist from the University of Texas told researchers gathered for a two-day conference on Marcellus shale-gas drilling.
When the rare quakes do occur, they're typically linked to the disposal of drilling fluids in underground injection wells, Cliff Frohlich said Monday at West Virginia University. And the vast majority of injection wells don't cause quakes, either, he said.
http://newsok.com/seismologist-fracking-doesnt-cause-earthquakes/article/feed/588526
madamesilverspurs
(15,809 posts)I don't know if you have appointed yourself to speak on behalf of those who are financially invested in the industry.
But, based on your comments here, it's safe to say "Pssst, your portfolio is showing!"
former9thward
(32,082 posts)You seem to have the need to do that.
madamesilverspurs
(15,809 posts)fooling no one.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)"We" all see that.
madamesilverspurs
(15,809 posts)And "We" see the science, you are the only one here refusing to look.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Are they now part of the conspiracy?
wcast
(595 posts)Over the last year or so I noticed the every few months had changed to a few times a week. I made an appointment with my doctor a few weeks ago. Right before my appointment I heard an NPR report on the radio discussing Pennsylvania's Department of Health and their unwillingness to release data related to fracking. Nurses and doctors are reporting a marked increase in certain ailments, one of them asthma. I live right on the heart of the Marcellus shale with gas wells within a quarter mile of me. They are everywhere. Including across the road from many homes. People sold out for a pile of money but we now have to live with this and it's not getting any better.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Fracking and Earthquakes:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/345/6192/13.summary
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/14/fracking-earthquake_n_5585892.html
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/09/16/3568090/direct-link-between-earthquakes-and-fracking-process/
http://time.com/84225/fracking-and-earthquake-link/
Fracking and Air Pollution:
http://time.com/84225/fracking-and-earthquake-link/
http://www.catskillmountainkeeper.org/our-programs/fracking/whats-wrong-with-fracking-2/air-pollution/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20110308/us-wyoming-smog/
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/raising-health-air-quality-concerns-texas-fracking-frontier/
And that's just with google. But, I guess it is all anecdotal and irrelevant.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)Since that what the OP was about. I doubt the man in the OP got emphysema from an earthquake. One of the air pollution links was about earthquakes. None of the other three was in a science journal. And none of the other was written by scientists. The NPR link interviewed a journalist. It is your position the man in the OP got emphysema from fracking?
madamesilverspurs
(15,809 posts)Why don't you come here and go with me to my next appointment with my pulmonologist? I'm sure he'd welcome your corrections to his years of research and the resulting treatment modalities.
Or you could go with my previous suggestion and consult with medical professionals in your own community. Libraries are also excellent resources.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Earth is still our only home.