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They never answer (Original Post) madamesilverspurs Sep 2014 OP
So far Earth is our only planet--when that's all polluted, it'll be curtains for us. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #1
When I ask the Conservatives here if they support fracking, "they never answer." nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #2
I wish there were public transportation around here. redruddyred Sep 2014 #3
Not to go all science on you... former9thward Sep 2014 #4
you DO know that statement was not made by the poster, yes? niyad Sep 2014 #5
I assume the poster agrees with it. former9thward Sep 2014 #6
many of us post things with which we do not agree for a variety of reasons. but nice try at niyad Sep 2014 #7
So you are saying the poster does not agree with it. former9thward Sep 2014 #12
I would not have the arrogance to presume to say what the poster niyad Sep 2014 #33
If you support fracking, why don't you put forth your arguments?? nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #28
There are thousands of fracking wells in the U.S. former9thward Sep 2014 #31
I dunno about fracking itself, but there is also frack sand mining. Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #9
Yeah, but other than that what have you got? rhett o rick Sep 2014 #29
Nothin'. Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #34
Here is an article discussing air pollution spikes that are monitored Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #10
Yes, and the article did not identify anything. former9thward Sep 2014 #11
For the record madamesilverspurs Sep 2014 #13
I asked for the science on the issue. former9thward Sep 2014 #15
You sound like our mayor. madamesilverspurs Sep 2014 #17
I'm sorry to hear about this. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #30
We know what it is doing to the earth and the water. We know, not to go all science on YOU, sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #14
I don't know who the "We" is. former9thward Sep 2014 #16
I don't know who "former9thward" is. madamesilverspurs Sep 2014 #20
I never use the word "We" when giving out an opinion. former9thward Sep 2014 #21
Interesting deflection... madamesilverspurs Sep 2014 #22
And you have brought no science to the table. former9thward Sep 2014 #24
Another deflection. madamesilverspurs Sep 2014 #25
How come the EPA is not using this mythical science to stop the air pollution? former9thward Sep 2014 #26
I've always had a touch of asthma needing my inhaler occasionally every few months. wcast Sep 2014 #8
Ask and ye shall receive Stonepounder Sep 2014 #18
K & R Petrushka Sep 2014 #19
I looked at your air pollution links. former9thward Sep 2014 #27
Tell ya what... madamesilverspurs Sep 2014 #32
There is no plan(et) B. RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #23

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
4. Not to go all science on you...
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 08:57 PM
Sep 2014

but what exactly is "all the stuff fracking puts in the air"? Please link to actual science on the subject such as EPA data. Thank you...

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
6. I assume the poster agrees with it.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:04 PM
Sep 2014

If not, why post it? There was certainly no comment by the poster disagreeing with it.

niyad

(113,581 posts)
7. many of us post things with which we do not agree for a variety of reasons. but nice try at
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:10 PM
Sep 2014

the save.

niyad

(113,581 posts)
33. I would not have the arrogance to presume to say what the poster
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:22 PM
Sep 2014

does, or does not, believe, and this has now gone beyond tedious.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
31. There are thousands of fracking wells in the U.S.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:02 PM
Sep 2014

I support oil and gas extraction. I support the jobs it creates and its necessary for our economy. No responible leader of any party opposes it. There are no problems with most of the wells. I oppose shouting and yelling junk science -- mainly by journalists, not scientists -- which claims there are all sorts of problems without giving any scientific evidence whatsoever. The OP is a prime example where it is trying to claim a man got emphysema from fracking.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
9. I dunno about fracking itself, but there is also frack sand mining.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:42 PM
Sep 2014
Frac sand mining creates significant air pollution from the handling, mining, and processing of the sand. The important sources of air emissions come from the tiny dust particles - known as particulate matter - scattered during mining and processing.

These tiny dust particles, usually only a few microns in diameter, when inhaled in the lungs can lead to Silicosis - cancer of the lungs that poses a danger to miners and nearby communities.

Frac sand linked to lung disease in workers

The chronic silicosis caused by silica exposure poses unique dangers for employees working at frac sand mining sites. Because long-term exposure can be fatal, the Labor Department’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) issued draft regulations designed to reduce the health risk and previously issued a hazard alert.

Sand is basically silica — and breathing in silica is one of the oldest known workplace dangers. Inside the lungs, exposure to the tiny particles has been shown to sometimes lead to serious lung diseases like silicosis and lung cancer.


- See more at: http://www.earthworksaction.org/issues/detail/frac_sand_health_and_environmental_impacts#.VBo36i5dVys

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
11. Yes, and the article did not identify anything.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:44 AM
Sep 2014
A 2010 air pollution study by the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection found compounds attributed to gas drilling activities, including methane, ethane, propane, and benzene, but “did not identify concentrations of any compound that would likely trigger air-related health issues” (pdf).

The Speck readings do not reveal the nature of the particles or the presence of other pollutants, such as volatile organic compounds.

madamesilverspurs

(15,809 posts)
13. For the record
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:06 AM
Sep 2014

the comment has been made to me, most recently by my pulmonologist. He's grown increasingly concerned as his patient load has increased well beyond normal expectations. We have 21k wells in the county, more than a hundred already within city limits with several hundred more scheduled. The city and county governments are in a swoon over all the money, and sneeringly dismiss any concerns from citizens, even when those citizens are MDs with damned good reason to be worried about their patients.

This is my home, I was born here 66 years ago, and I well remember the air before it was filled with all this crap. I'm now on 4L of oxygen, my regulator only goes to 5L. My lung doctor routinely meets with MDs of other specialties as their numbers increase in concern. The company that provides my breathing equipment is seeing significant increase in customers, mostly among younger people. The hospital's pulmonary rehab clinic is packed.

Rather than casually dismissing their concerns (and mine), try looking beyond whatever drives your skepticism to find out what medical professionals in your own community think on the issue. I could offer a rather impressive stack of sources, but experience has taught that information coming from me is regarded as 'suspect' given what I'm dealing with; there's plenty of research available, please avail yourself of it without limiting your search to studies that confirm your denial.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
15. I asked for the science on the issue.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:23 AM
Sep 2014

So far no one has provided any. I am sorry you are on oxygen but your experience is not science. It is anecdotal and as people get older medical issues arise no matter where you may live.

madamesilverspurs

(15,809 posts)
17. You sound like our mayor.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:41 AM
Sep 2014

He was presented with 700 pages of peer reviewed studies detailing very scientific evidence. He moved the stack of papers aside with the comment "It's irrelevant", probably because it didn't occur to him to use the word "anecdotal". I guess my next move is to inform my doctors that your 'science' outweighs their training; no doubt, they will will be greatly relieved.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
30. I'm sorry to hear about this.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:00 PM
Sep 2014

It's pretty obvious that fracking pollutes the air and makes it harder to breath for all of us, but especially for those with respiratory conditions and for those who are using air tanks.
There's a guy that goes to the same grocery store that I shop at, and he pulls a small, portable air tank behind him to get around.

Seeing him always reminds me how important our air quality should be to ALL of us.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
14. We know what it is doing to the earth and the water. We know, not to go all science on YOU,
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:31 AM
Sep 2014

we know from scientists that fracking definitely has been the cause of earthquakes.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
16. I don't know who the "We" is.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:32 AM
Sep 2014

I don't know if you have appointed yourself to speak on behalf of all scientists or everyone on DU.

Seismologist: Fracking doesn't cause earthquakes

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. (AP) — Human activity associated with oil and gas production can sometimes cause earthquakes, but the problem is not hydraulic fracturing, a seismologist from the University of Texas told researchers gathered for a two-day conference on Marcellus shale-gas drilling.

When the rare quakes do occur, they're typically linked to the disposal of drilling fluids in underground injection wells, Cliff Frohlich said Monday at West Virginia University. And the vast majority of injection wells don't cause quakes, either, he said.


http://newsok.com/seismologist-fracking-doesnt-cause-earthquakes/article/feed/588526

madamesilverspurs

(15,809 posts)
20. I don't know who "former9thward" is.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:31 PM
Sep 2014

I don't know if you have appointed yourself to speak on behalf of those who are financially invested in the industry.

But, based on your comments here, it's safe to say "Pssst, your portfolio is showing!"

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
26. How come the EPA is not using this mythical science to stop the air pollution?
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:08 PM
Sep 2014

Are they now part of the conspiracy?

wcast

(595 posts)
8. I've always had a touch of asthma needing my inhaler occasionally every few months.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:36 PM
Sep 2014

Over the last year or so I noticed the every few months had changed to a few times a week. I made an appointment with my doctor a few weeks ago. Right before my appointment I heard an NPR report on the radio discussing Pennsylvania's Department of Health and their unwillingness to release data related to fracking. Nurses and doctors are reporting a marked increase in certain ailments, one of them asthma. I live right on the heart of the Marcellus shale with gas wells within a quarter mile of me. They are everywhere. Including across the road from many homes. People sold out for a pile of money but we now have to live with this and it's not getting any better.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
27. I looked at your air pollution links.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:22 PM
Sep 2014

Since that what the OP was about. I doubt the man in the OP got emphysema from an earthquake. One of the air pollution links was about earthquakes. None of the other three was in a science journal. And none of the other was written by scientists. The NPR link interviewed a journalist. It is your position the man in the OP got emphysema from fracking?

madamesilverspurs

(15,809 posts)
32. Tell ya what...
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:25 PM
Sep 2014

Why don't you come here and go with me to my next appointment with my pulmonologist? I'm sure he'd welcome your corrections to his years of research and the resulting treatment modalities.

Or you could go with my previous suggestion and consult with medical professionals in your own community. Libraries are also excellent resources.

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