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By Eric Holthaus
Jason Box knows ice. Thats why whats happened this year concerns him so much.
Box just returned from a trip to Greenland. Right now, the ice there is black:
The ice in Greenland this year isnt just a little darkits record-setting dark. Box says hes never seen anything like it. I spoke to Box by phone earlier this month, just days after he returned from his summer field research campaign.
I was just stunned, really, Box told me.
The photos he took this summer in Greenland are frightening. But their implications are even more so. Just like black cars are hotter to the touch than white ones on sunny summer days, dark ice melts much more quickly.
As a member of the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland, Box travels to Greenland from his home in Copenhagen to track down the source of the soot thats speeding up the glaciers disappearance. He aptly calls his crowdfunded scientific survey Dark Snow.
more
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/09/16/jason_box_s_research_into_greenland_s_dark_snow_raises_more_concerns_about.html?wpsrc=fol_tw
librechik
(30,674 posts)but whatever the soot source, this is terrible news.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)If you read the article, there have been massive fires in Canada this year, which is upwind of Greenland.
librechik
(30,674 posts)I have been trying to convince my neighbors to put light colors on their roof (we had destructive hail this year, as usual!0 No dice, though.
Sometimes I think folks are in a big hurry to die off.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)No, they have been told the choice is between science and religion. Anyone who talks about global warming is the enemy.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Spending eternity in heaven sounds divine...
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Jesus now lives in a Mansion similar to MIchael Jordans..
What else could you want?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Assuming he doesn't cheat and run the course on foot.
RedRocco
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Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)postulater
(5,075 posts)Looking down on Greenland and seeing nothing but white stretching on forever was an amazing sight.
That will be gone sooner rather than later.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Global Action Now
Ex Lurker
(3,813 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Yes, we are that tough. Our ancestors survived Toba 75k years ago, and they were about as primitive as could be, and still survive.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)n/t
(And for anyone who alerts on this, google that dude's username + "doomers." He's a denier.)
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Hot. Flat. Crowded.
valerief
(53,235 posts)access to oil and gas? I know this is an insane theory. Everything the PTB do is insane, however.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)and there's not a lot of the accessible oil left. An Arctic clear of ice gives them new places to explore for oil.
valerief
(53,235 posts)of sun and wind. If only they could find another way to stay rich.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)VScott
(774 posts)when the snow banks are starting to melt away if you want to see black snow.
TRoN33
(769 posts)With tar sands pipelines operational and potential eruption of Yellowstone super volcano along with methane gas eruptions in Serbia... It's game over for Earth.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)What a wonderful new business opportunity!
Ah, the miracle of the market!
TBF
(32,047 posts)Xithras
(16,191 posts)While many people are focused on GHG emissions as a driver of climate change and attribute the rise in arctic temperatures (and sea ice) to greenhouse gasses, there has been a huge amount of research over the past 20 years implicating particulate pollution as an equal, and possibly greater, contributor to sea ice loss.
The massive expansion of coal fired power plants in China over the past few decades has been fingered as a potential major cause, but it's far from the only one. Particulates rise high into the stratosphere in the lower latitudes, where they are carried northward into the arctic. Once there, they drop straight down as they cool, and spread outward again at lower elevations (this is why cold air flows southward from the arctic). As the air drops and cools, it also forms snow, which tends to form AROUND particulates in the air.
Pollution in and on top of the snow changes the albedo of the ice field. Darkening the field increases the amount of heat it retains, causing it to melt off faster. Reduced snow and ice cover increases the temperature of the local air masses, causing even more snow to melt. It also increases the temperature of the air flowing southward to the rest of the hemisphere.
The good news is that particulate pollution is ridiculously easy to eliminate, if we're willing to do it. The bad news is that particulate emissions are also a counterbalancing force to GHG related climate change, reflecting sunlight back into space before it can be trapped in the atmosphere. By eliminating particulate emissions, we may exacerbate other aspects of global climate change. It's a lose-lose scenario.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Is that it seems that the sudden massive decrease in particulates in the 1970s, definitely correlates with the temperature spike that happened between 1980-95. How much was causation is debatable, but no doubt it played some role in that, at least.
Vice versa, the significant (temporary) expansion of dirty power plants in China, India, and certain other countries, probably has indeed also helped keep temperatures down, at least a little bit, since the middle '90s.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Definitely more thoughtful than my own fears and freaking out.......but not necessarily more hopeful.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Although the wildfires in Northern Canada aren't helping, that's for sure. K & R.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Dark ice will absornb the heat, increasing global warming.
alfredo
(60,071 posts)falls. If we waited too long, a coat of soot would cover it. As the snow melts, the soot forms a black lace.
On the one hand, as others have said, that's probably a bad sign for the environment. On the other- it does look cool.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)is affecting Iceland, but they have no real economy and are willing to have drilling for oil there so they can survive. And the oil companies don't even know HOW to stop a deep well oil disaster! This is to be experimental for them so they can see what to do if it should happen. Heard that and my head almost exploded!
What a calamity!
Judi Lynn
(160,516 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)They think they'll just be raptured right from Waterworld, and straight to "heaven."
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... at the side of the road that had been pushed there by the street graders, after which it rained a little on, snowed and frozen again... about five times. That is one frightening picture. Is there any wildlife up there? Or has the soot killed it all off?
a kennedy
(29,647 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Lots of soot blankets our World.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)250,000 acres at the time image was taken.
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/nw-fires-weather-climate-change-boreal-forests-17778
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)there are no wildlife grazing herds, to create a grasslands.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)lived on in northern MN, I knew the lake would soon be open. I was always happy to see it occurring. THIS black ice...whoa, I'd say a massive and fast meltdown is near.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Thanks for the thread, n2doc.