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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:21 AM Sep 2014

This is Stunning: Greenland's Black Snow



By Eric Holthaus
Jason Box knows ice. That’s why what’s happened this year concerns him so much.

Box just returned from a trip to Greenland. Right now, the ice there is … black:






The ice in Greenland this year isn’t just a little dark—it’s record-setting dark. Box says he’s never seen anything like it. I spoke to Box by phone earlier this month, just days after he returned from his summer field research campaign.

“I was just stunned, really,” Box told me.

The photos he took this summer in Greenland are frightening. But their implications are even more so. Just like black cars are hotter to the touch than white ones on sunny summer days, dark ice melts much more quickly.

As a member of the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland, Box travels to Greenland from his home in Copenhagen to track down the source of the soot that’s speeding up the glaciers’ disappearance. He aptly calls his crowdfunded scientific survey Dark Snow.

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This is Stunning: Greenland's Black Snow (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2014 OP
there is a nearby volcano in pre-eruption... librechik Sep 2014 #1
That volcano is small, and downwind n2doc Sep 2014 #5
rt, thx doc! librechik Sep 2014 #6
"Sometimes I think folks are in a big hurry to die off." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #8
Why not be in a hurry to die off? busterbrown Sep 2014 #9
Tell them they're being suicidal then, and it's a sin. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #10
But, But it’s all in Jesusis’s Plan.. busterbrown Sep 2014 #11
Considering how things turned out for him, he's a bad planner. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #20
You just don’t get it.. busterbrown Sep 2014 #24
I guess a yacht race... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #25
kinda like this? RedRocco Sep 2014 #44
Nice to see I'm not alone on this. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #48
Sad k&r. nt raouldukelives Sep 2014 #2
That has to be really really bad. postulater Sep 2014 #3
Rx for a Dying Planet Octafish Sep 2014 #4
The planet isn't dying. Humans, OTOH, may be in the process of going extinct NT Ex Lurker Sep 2014 #14
We're not. Would take a lot more than 3 or 4*C worth of global warming to kill US off. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #22
There's ALWAYS Soylent Green. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #31
Shut up with your denial bullshit XemaSab Sep 2014 #34
and the QUALITY of OUR lives will be soooooooooooo fabulous. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #35
Don't the PTB want the Poles to melt so they'll have more valerief Sep 2014 #7
The thing is, they know where the recoverable oil is and it's harder to get to ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #13
Right, but destroying the planet to get to more oil is insane when there's tons valerief Sep 2014 #23
Yeah they could invest in solar and wind power. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #26
Not enough for them. nt valerief Sep 2014 #30
Meh... come to any urbanized area in NE around March, early April VScott Sep 2014 #12
Time to hit panic button TRoN33 Sep 2014 #15
The end is near. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #29
The end is indeed near. Feel free to panic and pray that the Apocalypse happens soon................ AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #32
Don't worry. We can grow our way out of this! RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #16
Well obviously God wants it black - TBF Sep 2014 #17
Particulate pollution has been a major driver of arctic climate change for some time now. Xithras Sep 2014 #18
What's really interesting....., AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #33
interesting read. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #36
kick, kick, kick..... daleanime Sep 2014 #19
I'd bet that much of it is probably from that volcano in Iceland. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #21
Black ice not good for driving. JaneyVee Sep 2014 #27
Also, clean ice reflects sunlight back to space. Feral Child Sep 2014 #28
I remember that when we wanted to make snow ice cream, we had to do it soon after the snow alfredo Sep 2014 #37
Zoiks shenmue Sep 2014 #38
The Recent Documentary Talked About How Melting Ice ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #39
Hard to believe this could happen. OMG. What have the greedy bastards wrought? n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2014 #40
Religionists say they don't worry about Climate Change, because "God's on OUR side." blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #41
The only black snow I ever seen was the snow... ReRe Sep 2014 #42
That's it we're f*cked..... a kennedy Sep 2014 #43
Cold lands are a sink for industrial pollutants. L0oniX Sep 2014 #45
good article. didn't realize NE Canada had so many wildfires/loss of their oldest birch forests Sunlei Sep 2014 #46
Incredible loss. Octafish Sep 2014 #49
huge fire! guess climate change will bringin a great grasslands to that area or brush/weeds if, Sunlei Sep 2014 #51
When the springtime ice turned black on the 5,000+ acre lake I snappyturtle Sep 2014 #47
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #50

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
5. That volcano is small, and downwind
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:38 AM
Sep 2014

If you read the article, there have been massive fires in Canada this year, which is upwind of Greenland.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
6. rt, thx doc!
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:45 AM
Sep 2014

I have been trying to convince my neighbors to put light colors on their roof (we had destructive hail this year, as usual!0 No dice, though.

Sometimes I think folks are in a big hurry to die off.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
8. "Sometimes I think folks are in a big hurry to die off."
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:22 PM
Sep 2014

No, they have been told the choice is between science and religion. Anyone who talks about global warming is the enemy.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
24. You just don’t get it..
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:52 PM
Sep 2014

Jesus now lives in a Mansion similar to MIchael Jordans’..
What else could you want?

postulater

(5,075 posts)
3. That has to be really really bad.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:35 AM
Sep 2014

Looking down on Greenland and seeing nothing but white stretching on forever was an amazing sight.

That will be gone sooner rather than later.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
22. We're not. Would take a lot more than 3 or 4*C worth of global warming to kill US off.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:46 PM
Sep 2014

Yes, we are that tough. Our ancestors survived Toba 75k years ago, and they were about as primitive as could be, and still survive.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
34. Shut up with your denial bullshit
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:46 PM
Sep 2014

n/t

(And for anyone who alerts on this, google that dude's username + "doomers." He's a denier.)

valerief

(53,235 posts)
7. Don't the PTB want the Poles to melt so they'll have more
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:55 AM
Sep 2014

access to oil and gas? I know this is an insane theory. Everything the PTB do is insane, however.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
13. The thing is, they know where the recoverable oil is and it's harder to get to
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:48 PM
Sep 2014

and there's not a lot of the accessible oil left. An Arctic clear of ice gives them new places to explore for oil.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
23. Right, but destroying the planet to get to more oil is insane when there's tons
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:47 PM
Sep 2014

of sun and wind. If only they could find another way to stay rich.

 

VScott

(774 posts)
12. Meh... come to any urbanized area in NE around March, early April
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:39 PM
Sep 2014

when the snow banks are starting to melt away if you want to see black snow.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
15. Time to hit panic button
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:56 PM
Sep 2014

With tar sands pipelines operational and potential eruption of Yellowstone super volcano along with methane gas eruptions in Serbia... It's game over for Earth.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
16. Don't worry. We can grow our way out of this!
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:04 PM
Sep 2014

What a wonderful new business opportunity!

Ah, the miracle of the market!

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
18. Particulate pollution has been a major driver of arctic climate change for some time now.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:09 PM
Sep 2014

While many people are focused on GHG emissions as a driver of climate change and attribute the rise in arctic temperatures (and sea ice) to greenhouse gasses, there has been a huge amount of research over the past 20 years implicating particulate pollution as an equal, and possibly greater, contributor to sea ice loss.

The massive expansion of coal fired power plants in China over the past few decades has been fingered as a potential major cause, but it's far from the only one. Particulates rise high into the stratosphere in the lower latitudes, where they are carried northward into the arctic. Once there, they drop straight down as they cool, and spread outward again at lower elevations (this is why cold air flows southward from the arctic). As the air drops and cools, it also forms snow, which tends to form AROUND particulates in the air.

Pollution in and on top of the snow changes the albedo of the ice field. Darkening the field increases the amount of heat it retains, causing it to melt off faster. Reduced snow and ice cover increases the temperature of the local air masses, causing even more snow to melt. It also increases the temperature of the air flowing southward to the rest of the hemisphere.

The good news is that particulate pollution is ridiculously easy to eliminate, if we're willing to do it. The bad news is that particulate emissions are also a counterbalancing force to GHG related climate change, reflecting sunlight back into space before it can be trapped in the atmosphere. By eliminating particulate emissions, we may exacerbate other aspects of global climate change. It's a lose-lose scenario.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
33. What's really interesting.....,
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:25 PM
Sep 2014

Is that it seems that the sudden massive decrease in particulates in the 1970s, definitely correlates with the temperature spike that happened between 1980-95. How much was causation is debatable, but no doubt it played some role in that, at least.

Vice versa, the significant (temporary) expansion of dirty power plants in China, India, and certain other countries, probably has indeed also helped keep temperatures down, at least a little bit, since the middle '90s.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
36. interesting read.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:34 PM
Sep 2014

Definitely more thoughtful than my own fears and freaking out.......but not necessarily more hopeful.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
21. I'd bet that much of it is probably from that volcano in Iceland.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:43 PM
Sep 2014

Although the wildfires in Northern Canada aren't helping, that's for sure. K & R.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
28. Also, clean ice reflects sunlight back to space.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:24 PM
Sep 2014

Dark ice will absornb the heat, increasing global warming.

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
37. I remember that when we wanted to make snow ice cream, we had to do it soon after the snow
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:01 AM
Sep 2014

falls. If we waited too long, a coat of soot would cover it. As the snow melts, the soot forms a black lace.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
38. Zoiks
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:08 AM
Sep 2014

On the one hand, as others have said, that's probably a bad sign for the environment. On the other- it does look cool.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
39. The Recent Documentary Talked About How Melting Ice
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:12 AM
Sep 2014

is affecting Iceland, but they have no real economy and are willing to have drilling for oil there so they can survive. And the oil companies don't even know HOW to stop a deep well oil disaster! This is to be experimental for them so they can see what to do if it should happen. Heard that and my head almost exploded!

What a calamity!

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
41. Religionists say they don't worry about Climate Change, because "God's on OUR side."
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 04:08 AM
Sep 2014

They think they'll just be raptured right from Waterworld, and straight to "heaven."

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
42. The only black snow I ever seen was the snow...
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 04:18 AM
Sep 2014

... at the side of the road that had been pushed there by the street graders, after which it rained a little on, snowed and frozen again... about five times. That is one frightening picture. Is there any wildlife up there? Or has the soot killed it all off?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
46. good article. didn't realize NE Canada had so many wildfires/loss of their oldest birch forests
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 09:42 AM
Sep 2014

Lots of soot blankets our World.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
51. huge fire! guess climate change will bringin a great grasslands to that area or brush/weeds if,
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:43 PM
Sep 2014

there are no wildlife grazing herds, to create a grasslands.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
47. When the springtime ice turned black on the 5,000+ acre lake I
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:24 AM
Sep 2014

lived on in northern MN, I knew the lake would soon be open. I was always happy to see it occurring. THIS black ice...whoa, I'd say a massive and fast meltdown is near.

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