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Scottish Referendum Trendmap (Original Post) geardaddy Sep 2014 OP
Really interesting. Thanks. theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #1
Are the English voting on Scottish independence? hifiguy Sep 2014 #2
Only residents of Scotland can vote. geardaddy Sep 2014 #3
Thanks for the clarification. hifiguy Sep 2014 #5
The trends map is based on tweets about #indyref I guess. geardaddy Sep 2014 #6
Americans are voting for it too snooper2 Sep 2014 #12
Since I'm not informed on this GummyBearz Sep 2014 #4
They loathe austerity and trickle-down economics just as American liberals do. Laelth Sep 2014 #7
Scotland is, as a rule, much more liberal than England hifiguy Sep 2014 #8
Complex... marions ghost Sep 2014 #9
All the other replies you've received are correct. Denzil_DC Sep 2014 #11
My connection isn't good enough to follow that so I'm now following #indyref on Twitter thanks! seaglass Sep 2014 #10
Wow. hifiguy Sep 2014 #13

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
1. Really interesting. Thanks.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:08 PM
Sep 2014

Seems the only place where the "No" vote is strong is in England (no surprise there). Scots elsewhere, including Wales and Ireland, are definitely trending YES.

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
3. Only residents of Scotland can vote.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:12 PM
Sep 2014

So, if you're Scottish, but live in another part of the UK other than Scotland, you can't vote. If you're English and are a resident of Scotland you can vote.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
5. Thanks for the clarification.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:16 PM
Sep 2014

The map was very unclear. I hope the Scots stick their collective thumb in the eye of Cameron and his refried - or should that be re-boiled? - Thatcherism.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
4. Since I'm not informed on this
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:15 PM
Sep 2014

... can someone tell me the major reasons for Scotland wanting to leave? Is it just national pride? England isnt the same invaders they were hundreds of years ago. What will Scotland gain in actual rights, or monetarily? Do they dislike certain English laws? What is it?

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
7. They loathe austerity and trickle-down economics just as American liberals do.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:23 PM
Sep 2014

The want many things that American liberals want, and they don't think they can get those things from the conservative Parliament in the U.K. Now, they want to try governing for themselves.

An independent Scotland will be quite liberal, like its neighbors--Norway, Iceland, Denmark, and Sweden. The U.K. Parliament will become more conservative if Scotland leaves (as Parliament will lose 58 leftish Scottish seats and only 1 Tory seat).

-Laelth

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. Scotland is, as a rule, much more liberal than England
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:29 PM
Sep 2014

and they are sick to death of Thatcherism and Cameron's revival thereof.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
9. Complex...
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:41 PM
Sep 2014

many issues.

Rachel Maddow said hatred of the current Tory government in the UK is huge. Margaret Thatcher government was also rough on Scotland. Scotland is in a good position financially to separate in terms of self-control of their future energy resources (oil and also renewables like wind and tidal power). Also their other financial resources are extensive. They hate the American Trident nuclear arsenal within their territory and want it gone.

Scotland is fairly far left and identifies with Scandanavia socially/politically as to what the people, especially the young, want. They are poised to lead in this direction, rather than be chained by the conservatism of present day England. The winds of change are blowing, much as they did here with Obama's election. But the Scots probably have a better chance of achieving real change than we ever did.

I wouldn't underestimate the historic brutality towards the Scottish clans and all that old bad blood tho......

---These are just some of the factors

Denzil_DC

(7,216 posts)
11. All the other replies you've received are correct.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:00 PM
Sep 2014

In addition, the Labour Party lost a great deal of support in Scotland over the Blair/Brown years, especially over the Iraq invasion, but not insignificantly because it continued too much of the Thatcherite agenda. The Liberal Democrats (don't be fooled by the name) have historically had a lot of support in certain parts of Scotland, but that's crumbled since they went into coalition with the Conservatives. So none of the major Westminster parties have fared well in the last decade or so, which has left something of a vacuum. Meanwhile, in the last Scottish elections the SNP won an unthinkable overall majority in the Scottish Assembly (it was deliberately set up in such a way as supposedly to make it impossible for one party to gain an outright majority, forcing the formation of coalitions), having already been in power as part of a coalition, and its record has been pretty good on most things.

The SNP's manifesto at that last election included the holding of a referendum. This had to be negotiated with David Cameron, who obstructed the whole idea as much as he could until some of the courses of action he proposed were found to be illegal.

Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond wanted the referendum to have three propositions on independence: Yes, No, and "Devo Max" (enhanced devolution with more tax raising powers and greater overall control--polls showed this would have had something like 70% support if offered). Cameron vetoed the inclusion of Devo Max as an option, so it ended up being a straight Yes/No referendum, which forced the whole argument into the shape it's currently in.

Ironically, in the final stages of the campaign, panicked by a surge in support for the Yes campaign, the No campaign have promised that if Scotland votes No, then it will get Devo Max anyway. Whether it's wise to believe that Cameron or the successor government will actually deliver on that (the whole campaign and the way it's been covered in most of the media has provoked resentment among some of the population in the rest of the UK at what some see as too much special treatment for Scotland, so it's questionable whether it's a vote-winner for non-Scottish politicians) is anybody's guess, but it's been a clear, recorded promise.

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
10. My connection isn't good enough to follow that so I'm now following #indyref on Twitter thanks!
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:53 PM
Sep 2014

this Tweet:

Scrapper Duncan ?@scrapperduncan 16s

Show me what democracy looks like! Falkirk #indyref polling station has closed early because it had 100% turnout. Everyone registered voted.

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