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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:47 PM Sep 2014

The New Way Insurers Are Shifting Costs To The Sick

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/insurers-pay-more-drug-conditions

Health insurance companies are no longer allowed to turn away patients because of their pre-existing conditions or charge them more because of those conditions. But some health policy experts say insurers may be doing so in a more subtle way: by forcing people with a variety of illnesses — including Parkinson's disease, diabetes and epilepsy — to pay more for their drugs.

Insurers have long tried to steer their members away from more expensive brand name drugs, labeling them as "non-preferred" and charging higher co-payments. But according to an editorial published Wednesday in the American Journal of Managed Care, several prominent health plans have taken it a step further, applying that same concept even to generic drugs.

The Affordable Care Act bans insurance companies from discriminating against patients with health problems, but that hasn't stopped them from seeking new and creative ways to shift costs to consumers. In the process, the plans effectively may be rendering a variety of ailments "non-preferred," according to the editorial.

"It is sometimes argued that patients should have 'skin in the game' to motivate them to become more prudent consumers," the editorial says. "One must ask, however, what sort of consumer behavior is encouraged when all generic medicines for particular diseases are 'non-preferred' and subject to higher co-pays."


Derp.
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The New Way Insurers Are Shifting Costs To The Sick (Original Post) KamaAina Sep 2014 OP
+1,000! They also require you to get your prescriptions from their mail order pharmacies, no retail. Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #1
I hear you. I get so frustrated when I am in line at a pharmacy, and they truedelphi Sep 2014 #8
+1 Enthusiast Sep 2014 #16
I fired my local pain management doctor for lying to me (usually it's the other way around). Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #20
I have been on Medicare and Plan D for years now. This is not new. They have always told us when jwirr Sep 2014 #25
I Don't Doubt People Have Problems With Mail Order Scripts... ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #22
And they can change the tiers at any time, but you're locked into them for a year. SharonAnn Sep 2014 #2
Is anyone shocked by this? dilby Sep 2014 #3
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^n/t truedelphi Sep 2014 #9
+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #15
+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #24
So get to work. jeff47 Sep 2014 #26
Right on! Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #29
my plan has 3 tier co-pay pricing for meds: $15/30/40. guess how much i pay for zomig? unblock Sep 2014 #4
Yeah, they are also working overtime to deny claims. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #5
Anthem. Say no more. KamaAina Sep 2014 #6
+1 Enthusiast Sep 2014 #14
Were you there with us early on, when we activists all pointed out how this truedelphi Sep 2014 #11
Well, saved my friends life, pre existing condition wise. AND... NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #30
Who could have possibly known????????????????? BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #7
Looks like the law is going to have to change ... aggiesal Sep 2014 #10
kick rec. Doctor_J Sep 2014 #12
I have an answer for that. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #13
And by doubling the copays Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #17
As long as significant portions of the health care payment system remain Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #18
How STUPID can they get?? moonbeam23 Sep 2014 #19
The fact that patients are thought of as "consumers" instead of "sick people" tells you everything. RedSpartan Sep 2014 #21
Anyone here use Advair? Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #23
Health care should cost money, not make it. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #27
The biggest mistake in forming a national health plan is including Cleita Sep 2014 #28
Snobs will always choose the most expensive... quadrature Sep 2014 #31
Huh? KamaAina Sep 2014 #32
suppose there is a generic drug ... quadrature Sep 2014 #33
But these insurance co's are blacklisting the generic drug, too. KamaAina Sep 2014 #34
you have a good point quadrature Sep 2014 #35

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
1. +1,000! They also require you to get your prescriptions from their mail order pharmacies, no retail.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:55 PM
Sep 2014

The mail order pharmacies don't ship all of the meds ordered, send them regular mail, and when you try to order ahead so you don't run out the insurance companies say, "too soon!"
I travel a lot for work on short notice, I have been totally screwed!

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
8. I hear you. I get so frustrated when I am in line at a pharmacy, and they
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:04 PM
Sep 2014

are telling one person after another that "the computer is letting us know you are ordering this medication too soon."

I live in a rural area, and for elderly or sick people to have to travel a great distance the next day or the day after that, all to keep some computer in the sky happy, is really deplorable.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
20. I fired my local pain management doctor for lying to me (usually it's the other way around).
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:02 PM
Sep 2014

Because I did no one locally will treat me so for the last 4 years I drive a 4 hour round trip once a month to pick up my prescription (one has to be in person), drive to the other side of Houston to fill it because local pharmacies won't fill a Houston prescription due to pill mills, and come home. Our system is screwed up!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
25. I have been on Medicare and Plan D for years now. This is not new. They have always told us when
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:48 PM
Sep 2014

we try to order too soon. In fact my daughter has been on Medicaid for 55 years and it has been happening since then.

Edited to say that my daughter was on straight Medicaid.

I think many states actually have laws that the pharmacy cannot refill orders until most of them are used up.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
22. I Don't Doubt People Have Problems With Mail Order Scripts...
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:23 PM
Sep 2014

However my mail order experience is A+. Of course there's probably a good reason for this because my husband worked for a Union Company and our insurance has a drug policy included. I feel so very, very lucky at this point in time. When I decided to use the mail order I was unsure of how the experience would be, so I registered with their website to make sure there would be no mix ups.

To my surprise they have been very efficient and call us with reminders when we need refills in case we overlooked it. All I have to do is give them my birth date, zip code and my insurance ID # and they take it from there. If my script needs the doctor to approve a refill they call his office and set it up. On rare occasions I'm asked to call my doctor to solve a problem. And my medications are always shipped free.

I do think that Obama had to make some concessions with Big Pharma to get the ACA passed and we must be seeing that they're still getting their BIGGER share of the pie! This is unacceptable and I don't doubt they've found a way to keep padding their pockets!

I don't even think calling your Senator or Representative will be much help because of the massive obstruction movement to get rid of the program, small as it is.

My experience with belonging to a Union and being able to have a choice each year to stay with our current provider or change, has made me realize how fortunate we are. That's not to say I agree with how the health care system is run today because I know from statements I get how the money is spread around, and obviously it's skewed to benefit the rich even now.

It's so very important that Democrats vote, I fear the fight will get nastier if the Senate goes down. I have my issues with Obama and feel the ACA is only a very small step, but it's a start. So, so much more needs to be done and I worry all the time that Obama is being forced to sell out more and more. Plus, Obama's hands have been greased and concessions made that many of us find offensive.

THE GAME IS RIGGED... GREED ABOUNDS... "We The People Suffer!" I've been watching the PBS Series on The Roosevelt's and even though Franklin is at his core a politician with warts, at least he did see how the country suffered. I don't know how many are watching this, but it's an eye opener and certain facts about FDR show a different side of him. Still, he DID care.

We can only try to push back, but personally I think we're at a point in history where nothing is going to wake up enough people until the wheels come off. IMO that day is coming because even voting may only help a little. The districts are drawn to re-elect the same people and the glut of money going to the Oligarchs is being used for LEVERAGE in their favor!

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
2. And they can change the tiers at any time, but you're locked into them for a year.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:56 PM
Sep 2014

They should be required to keep the same doctors and the same tiers for the one year contract period. Otherwise, we're locked in and they aren't. Perfect setup for a scam. surprise, surprise!

dilby

(2,273 posts)
3. Is anyone shocked by this?
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:57 PM
Sep 2014

Make it mandatory to have insurance and insurance companies will suck you dry. We need single payer and we need it now.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
26. So get to work.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:49 PM
Sep 2014

The ACA moves the battle for single-payer to the states. So start working on your state representatives.

unblock

(52,163 posts)
4. my plan has 3 tier co-pay pricing for meds: $15/30/40. guess how much i pay for zomig?
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:58 PM
Sep 2014

$80.

that's right, double the "maximum" co-pay.

how? because they decided that 6 doses was enough (hah!) per month and if I need more, i can get a second box of 6 doses -- for a second co-pay.

other meds your doctor just specifies the count and strength and if the doctor says it's a 30-day supply, then that's that. in this case, zomig (along with other migraine-fighting triptans) are expensive, so my insurer finds it profitable to screw me over.


frankly, i think they're missing an opportunity here. why not just make the co-pay $40 for each individual dose? and why do it only for expensive meds?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. Yeah, they are also working overtime to deny claims.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:59 PM
Sep 2014

I'm fighting with Athem over a $27,500 charge to fly me to Stanford for treatment of an aneurism.

They hired a third party MD who tried to justify denial of benefits.

In my case, the letter I got Monday reads, "You fell and hit your head" and goes on to suggest I should have driven myself over or taken a land ambulance.

So, of course, I have to fight them and I think I'll prevail, but they are banking on the majority who don't know what to do, how to respond, or even realize that they can file a grievance and get letters of support.

Fuckers.

OBTW, my favorite reply from some (not all) anthem reps: "Yeah, but look at all the costs we DID cover!" OK, fine, you did your job, now do the rest of it.

My costs were over $600,000, and that's why I have insurance.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
11. Were you there with us early on, when we activists all pointed out how this
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:12 PM
Sep 2014

Idea of forcing people to have insurance, and yet somehow avoiding making it Universal Single Payer HC, was a total sellout?

People are still having to waste days and weeks of their lives arguing with insurers, and pharmacists. People will still end up being denied treatment, being given lousy and even deadly treatment, and going through medical bankruptcies.

And in states that have the "Exchange" often the whole conncept is fraudulent. My spouse just heard from a friend in Marin, who chose his insurer after doing his homework diligently. He visited the Big Insurers websites, and then chose the insurer that had the names and photos of the doctors whom he needed.

Only after he was injured did he find out that the Big Insurers can simply put up whatever they want to on their websites. In his case, not a single one of the doctors he relied on really was with the Big Insurer he had chosen. But their names, photos and bios were up on the website!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
30. Well, saved my friends life, pre existing condition wise. AND...
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:19 PM
Sep 2014

My monthly savings bought me a dream retirement home with, ocean view,

Thanks Obama!

Maybe you experience was different....

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
7. Who could have possibly known?????????????????
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:22 PM
Sep 2014

My insurance has tried to cancel me every month since switching to an ACA policy. EVERY month I'm on the phone for a minimum of two hours because they can't figure out the automatic deduction. They also have a second policy tacked on where I pay "juvenile dental", some kind of fee that puts into a pot for others. Fine. But then they keep claiming that has not been paid and try to cancel my whole policy for that.

I haven't used it and frankly and loathe to because I know they will screw me royally and deny everything. It's junk insurance and completely useless.

These companies are some of the worst blood suckers (literally) in existence.

aggiesal

(8,908 posts)
10. Looks like the law is going to have to change ...
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:10 PM
Sep 2014

where at least one of the drugs for a particular illness has to be in the
preferred list.

Bastards.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
12. kick rec.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:16 PM
Sep 2014

Not even going to comment. The law's a debacle, and as soon as it's in the rear view mirror, the better off we'll be

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
18. As long as significant portions of the health care payment system remain
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:38 PM
Sep 2014

under private control, the focus is on making profits rather than meeting human needs, and such abuses are unavoidable. It's just the way captialism, partiularly late-stage capitalism works.

moonbeam23

(308 posts)
19. How STUPID can they get??
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:39 PM
Sep 2014

(we know the answer)
WTF "skin in the game"??? Do they think people will inject extra insulin or pop more hypertension pills or start overdosing on pain pills just because it's cheaper....

Get rid of these bastards once and for all...single payer now!

RedSpartan

(1,693 posts)
21. The fact that patients are thought of as "consumers" instead of "sick people" tells you everything.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:21 PM
Sep 2014

Gawd bless capitalism.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
23. Anyone here use Advair?
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:28 PM
Sep 2014

It seems that nobody covers it and full price is an absolute fortune. I don't understand how anyone can afford to use it anymore.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
28. The biggest mistake in forming a national health plan is including
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:50 PM
Sep 2014

the insurance companies, whose function is a parasitical one on the health care sector of the economy. They aren't needed. But we all knew that as we watched Max Baucus and Co give away the store.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
32. Huh?
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:43 PM
Sep 2014

Explain, please. And how is this relevant to the OP, which is about even the least expensive drugs being blacklisted by the insurance co's?

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
33. suppose there is a generic drug ...
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 02:18 AM
Sep 2014

that costs a dollar a day,
but requires it be taken twice daily.

and there is a btandname drug that
costs ten times as much, but is
time released, and need be taken only once a day.

some people will choose the latter,
as long as someone else is paying.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
35. you have a good point
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 05:09 PM
Sep 2014

to answer properly,
I would need to know all the
alternatives, which is beyond
the scope of the article.

lets just say that when a Drug Company
complains that an Insurance Company
is not paying for the super-priced pills,
I am skeptical

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