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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsScotland independence: "a better organised and vastly more powerful version of the Occupy movement"
I believe DU liberals will enjoy this article...DU conservatives...no, not so much.
From The Guardian:
In Scottish city centres right now, youre rarely out of sight of a yes badge. The vibe was summed up by an Edinburgh cabbie: Were being invited to run our country. Its very exciting. Maybe we can show how things can be done differently. Its not just him. Polls have shown the yes vote surging.
Its worth noting how remarkable this is. The only UK party supporting independence is the Greens. Of all of the local Scottish and British papers, only the Sunday Herald backs yes. The official story has long been that its only a few angry men in kilts who care about this.
But in the internet age, officials dont get to write the stories any more. There were always people who had little time for flags, tartanry and shortbread, but who wanted to escape a political system that has made Britain one of Europes most unequal counties. And it is these people a better organised and vastly more powerful version of the Occupy movement that the Westminster parties and their media partners failed to consider.
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These people created their own media and founded their own organisations. They are young, energetic, enthusiastic, funny. They looked the British state straight in the eye and saw through its illusions. The hierarchies of a steeply unequal country reward loyalty and elite connections while punishing independence of mind. No wonder kids from the regions are running rings around the gurus of a floundering establishment.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/18/scotland-yes-campaign-voting-british-state
YES!
May this become a worldwide phenomenon and movement.
Slainte!
JI7
(89,249 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Quite the amount of supporting evidence you've supplied to prop up your premise...
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)The Scots for Independence had identified a tangible, quantifiable GOAL from day one that they were ALL united on...Go ask OWS what they were trying to ultimately accomplish, and you'll get a hundred different answers...
I can add a couple dozen more differences if I have the time later, or you can do your own work and compare/contrast the movements yourself...
The two movements are nothing alike...
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Editorials and evidence are two wholly separate things.
pscot
(21,024 posts)Occupy was not.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)They both have activists unhappy with the status quo something they share with Obama supporters, Tea Party members, 360.org, Ron Paul fans, etc.
Some Occupy people are doing good things, but the effort to take credit after the fact for things not connected with them including the Obamas reelection, the election of de Blasio, any anti-government protests makes them sound more like those four guys who show up to any gathering of Leftists explaining how glad they are that the rest of us have finally decided to join the Communist revolution.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,315 posts)and they, for instance, was to lower the rate of corporation tax to attract foreign companies to set up EU HQs there rather than EU countries where they do more business: http://www.brs-snp.org/Let_Scotland_flourish.htm
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Mom (one-half Scots descent) makes it every Christmas. I used to help her by whipping the butter until it was "light and flufy" (pronounced "floofy"; there was a typo on the recipe ).
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Contrary to the beliefs of those on the extreme left, there is no such thing as a conservative DUer.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"there are NO DU conservatives..."
Except for posters who often write, "in most things, I'm pretty conservative about..."
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)No doubt it's difficult to see that which one pretends doesn't exist. But I have faith you'll eventually give up the pretense, open the eyes, and eventually not merely see, but also observe...
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Didn't think so.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)of the extreme left, you are definitely a conservative.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Except the extreme left, of course.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And even sillier pretending there's not...
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)No DUer is really conservative.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)You forgot this
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)This thread wins DU for the sheer
WTF? OMG Wait WTF?
Jeff Rosenzweig
(121 posts)fucking things for years just so "DUzy!" could be turned into knee-jerk snark and another way for posters here to sneer at fellow Democrats?
Thanks, I guess. This is very educational. Helps to explain why so many people have left.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Who do you think you're kidding?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I've never watched a person pull the wool over their own eyes... until today. Maybe that's who he thinks he's kidding.
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)Yeah, you're a real revolutionary who is in no way totally comfortable with the intolerable status quo that defines the American political establishment. No one would ever confuse you for a right wing reactionary who is consistently pro-war, pro-business, and opposed to any meaningful change to the current state of affairs.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Only somebody on the extreme left would consider her other than liberal.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)fixed that for ya
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Saying otherwise is silly.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)I'm not even a communist. In fact, the most prominent communist states would have considered me a member of petite bourgeoisie and therefore a right winger. The fact that your mind is too small to consider the viewpoints of anyone who doesn't buy into your globalist agenda is why you are a conservative, and the same goes for Hillary.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Take it back.
I await your apology.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)leftstreet
(36,108 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)In fact, being left and anti-capitalist is extreme.
I like my capitalism well regulated, just like Elizabeth Warren. Of course, the extreme left recently threw her and Bernie Sanders under the bus due to their support of doing the right thing about ISIL.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Will be reading the Guardian piece later.
Long live the Scots!!
snooper2
(30,151 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)The question I have is which kilt shall I wear tomorrow?
I've been wearing my kilts on Fridays these days to the point of where I get asked what happened if I don't.
Added bonus is it's Talk Like A Pirate Day tomorrow.
randome
(34,845 posts)Scotland has been part of the U.K. for more than 300 years with both positive and negative consequences. I wish them luck whichever way they vote.
People taking an interest in their government and their country's future does not equate to Occupy. It equates to good citizenry but I guess we have Occupy to thank for that, too.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
Zorra
(27,670 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)And I guess I never will but I'm an optimistic sort.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]
Zorra
(27,670 posts)abstraction and conceptualization.
The majority of DUers get Occupy instantly, it is natural for them.
Others...not so much.
Those that get Occupy intrinsically understand that you can't kill an idea. (No matter how hard you try!)
Try this: Think of Occupy as a seed of a tree that cannot be killed. The seed has sprouted, and the tree is now growing, spreading roots and branches. Recent events in Scotland are a small branch of the young, healthy Occupy tree. Someday the roots of the Occupy seed will take all the nutrients from the noxious weeds among which it has sprouted, and the bad weeds will die. The shade of the mature Occupy tree will prevent the seeds of the noxious weeds from ever growing again.
Remain optimistic.