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(18,115 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)hugo_from_TN
(1,069 posts)mwooldri
(10,303 posts)The real ballot papers have tracking numbers. Ballot stuffing won't work.
unblock
(52,205 posts)does it count if the "x" overwrites the word "yes" or "no" as opposed to in the box next to the word "yes" or "no"?
if i "x" out the word "no", does that mean i meant to vote "no" or i meant to cross out "no", leaving only "yes" as my vote?
does a checkmark count?
what if i write "yes" in the "no" box or vice versa?
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Tyrs WolfDaemon
(2,289 posts)Does it have to be in #2 pencil or can you use a pen. If you use a pen does it have to be black or blue ink? Can you use brown ink? Green ink?
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Simple rule - can a reasonable person determine your vote?
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Yes, check marks (or ticks) are allowed. Shading in the box by the yes or no is allowed.
Overstriking the Yes or No will make the vote unclear.
If a counting officer cannot determine the vote it's rejected.
Spoiling the ballot would be like writing in "become the 51st state of America!" instead and not marking yes or no.
There have been shenanigans about individual ballots in the past. It just comes down to whether the voting intent can be determined.
TlalocW
(15,381 posts)What about a third box that you can check for, "They mean to win Wimbledon!"
TlalocW
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)ahlnord
(91 posts)I hope it gets widely noted that not only do they have paper ballots (yay!!), but they are HAND COUNTED!! No tabulating machinery that can be highjacked and the results manipulated. I am not saying that all tabulated results are untrue, but the only way to confirm the veracity of the results is by hand-counting. Hand counting is the gold standard. Other first-world countries maintain hand-counting in order to ensure the integrity of their results (Germany, Canada, Scotland, etc.) We should insist on it here. And it is our duty as citizens to serve as election judges to preside at the polls and to count the ballots (just as it is our duty to serve on juries). Without citizen involvement, our election results are determined by private, profit-making corporations whose machinery literally tells us the results. We can't SEE the counting; it takes place within the computers whose counting software is a proprietary secret of the corporation that sells it and services it. Not only that, but we no longer rely on exit polling as a way of revealing questionable results! Our elections results have been screwy since 2000 when we went to not only machine tabulating, but also computer screen (no paper ballots) voting.
I have been an election judge when we counted the ballots and signed off on the sealed results. Now I have to sign off on a ticker tape result that the tabulator spits out, and I really have no way of knowing if it is a true, untampered result. It doesn't feel good. I can verify that the sign-in and registration numbers are correct; that the number of ballots equals the number of voters signing in; that there was no campaigning going on near the polling place, no coercion, etc. But I can't really verify that the result on the ticker tape is a correct tally of the paper ballots that were fed into it at the end of the day. We must demand the gold standard -- hand counting again.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)and the White House (Rove) IT guy was linked to the company in TN who got caught. Sadly, he was killed flying a small plane just days before he was to give his deposition. Go figure! Not familiar with this story from back then, go figure that too.
LittleGirl
(8,284 posts)I read about the IP address of the ballot counting server for OHIO and the only way that happens is if someone does it. And it was done at 1am. guilty.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)something to do while thinking about their vote.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)But I don't know.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)reflection
(6,286 posts)Especially the "bubblegum" line.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)They should have electronic voting in the control of Carl Rove.
CrispyQ
(36,460 posts)Oh wait, that's us that does that.