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Scotland's ballot (so simple!): (Original Post) morningfog Sep 2014 OP
Polls are closed, ballots are being counted. morningfog Sep 2014 #1
Short and to the point with a definite paper trail. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #2
You'd have to be drunk to hang a chad on that! Hissyspit Sep 2014 #3
Paper ballots are the way to go. bigwillq Sep 2014 #4
+1 Liberalynn Sep 2014 #9
Without any kind of tracking ID, seems it would be easy to stuff ballot boxes with lots of fakes. hugo_from_TN Sep 2014 #13
I don't think they're the actual ballot papers. mwooldri Sep 2014 #18
oh the legal challenges that would happen in the u.s.! unblock Sep 2014 #5
What if you blacken the entire box instead of marking an x? Tyrs WolfDaemon Sep 2014 #6
Aye to all of the above. mwooldri Sep 2014 #20
Simple rule: what is the voting intent? mwooldri Sep 2014 #19
Not Aye or Nay? TlalocW Sep 2014 #7
Aye or Die! pokerfan Sep 2014 #16
hands on voting ahlnord Sep 2014 #8
Google Spoonamore and computer voting fraud. The Republicans flipped Ohio against Kerry Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #11
yep LittleGirl Sep 2014 #14
I could not agree more. We're being had on voting. We have to demand hand counting again. YOHABLO Sep 2014 #12
What's the little pattern with the squares at the top right? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #10
It looks like sudoku. Maybe they are giving the voters Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #15
I assumed it was some kind of bar code to authenticate. morningfog Sep 2014 #21
Rowdy Roddy Piper for PM. I just saw they Live and I like the cut of his gib. craigmatic Sep 2014 #17
love that movie. reflection Sep 2014 #23
This ballot is unacceptably simple. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #22
And then we take the paper ballot & feed it through a digital tabulator. CrispyQ Sep 2014 #24
There's always one in the crowd. Dr. Strange Sep 2014 #25
Sadly, not simple enough for the 55% who voted "no" tularetom Sep 2014 #26

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
18. I don't think they're the actual ballot papers.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:47 PM
Sep 2014

The real ballot papers have tracking numbers. Ballot stuffing won't work.

unblock

(52,205 posts)
5. oh the legal challenges that would happen in the u.s.!
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:35 PM
Sep 2014

does it count if the "x" overwrites the word "yes" or "no" as opposed to in the box next to the word "yes" or "no"?

if i "x" out the word "no", does that mean i meant to vote "no" or i meant to cross out "no", leaving only "yes" as my vote?

does a checkmark count?

what if i write "yes" in the "no" box or vice versa?

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Tyrs WolfDaemon

(2,289 posts)
6. What if you blacken the entire box instead of marking an x?
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:16 PM
Sep 2014

Does it have to be in #2 pencil or can you use a pen. If you use a pen does it have to be black or blue ink? Can you use brown ink? Green ink?

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
19. Simple rule: what is the voting intent?
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:10 PM
Sep 2014

Yes, check marks (or ticks) are allowed. Shading in the box by the yes or no is allowed.

Overstriking the Yes or No will make the vote unclear.

If a counting officer cannot determine the vote it's rejected.

Spoiling the ballot would be like writing in "become the 51st state of America!" instead and not marking yes or no.

There have been shenanigans about individual ballots in the past. It just comes down to whether the voting intent can be determined.

ahlnord

(91 posts)
8. hands on voting
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:48 PM
Sep 2014

I hope it gets widely noted that not only do they have paper ballots (yay!!), but they are HAND COUNTED!! No tabulating machinery that can be highjacked and the results manipulated. I am not saying that all tabulated results are untrue, but the only way to confirm the veracity of the results is by hand-counting. Hand counting is the gold standard. Other first-world countries maintain hand-counting in order to ensure the integrity of their results (Germany, Canada, Scotland, etc.) We should insist on it here. And it is our duty as citizens to serve as election judges to preside at the polls and to count the ballots (just as it is our duty to serve on juries). Without citizen involvement, our election results are determined by private, profit-making corporations whose machinery literally tells us the results. We can't SEE the counting; it takes place within the computers whose counting software is a proprietary secret of the corporation that sells it and services it. Not only that, but we no longer rely on exit polling as a way of revealing questionable results! Our elections results have been screwy since 2000 when we went to not only machine tabulating, but also computer screen (no paper ballots) voting.

I have been an election judge when we counted the ballots and signed off on the sealed results. Now I have to sign off on a ticker tape result that the tabulator spits out, and I really have no way of knowing if it is a true, untampered result. It doesn't feel good. I can verify that the sign-in and registration numbers are correct; that the number of ballots equals the number of voters signing in; that there was no campaigning going on near the polling place, no coercion, etc. But I can't really verify that the result on the ticker tape is a correct tally of the paper ballots that were fed into it at the end of the day. We must demand the gold standard -- hand counting again.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
11. Google Spoonamore and computer voting fraud. The Republicans flipped Ohio against Kerry
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:07 PM
Sep 2014

and the White House (Rove) IT guy was linked to the company in TN who got caught. Sadly, he was killed flying a small plane just days before he was to give his deposition. Go figure! Not familiar with this story from back then, go figure that too.

LittleGirl

(8,284 posts)
14. yep
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:16 PM
Sep 2014

I read about the IP address of the ballot counting server for OHIO and the only way that happens is if someone does it. And it was done at 1am. guilty.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
15. It looks like sudoku. Maybe they are giving the voters
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:20 PM
Sep 2014

something to do while thinking about their vote.

CrispyQ

(36,460 posts)
24. And then we take the paper ballot & feed it through a digital tabulator.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 09:37 AM
Sep 2014

Oh wait, that's us that does that.

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