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whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:12 PM Sep 2014

Why is it so easy to cow us into war?

Blind faith? Blinding fear? If the first casualty of war is the truth, how many times do we have to view the smoldering truth wreckage in our rearview mirrors before we stop letting politicians and their handmaidens in the media drive us down this road? Invariably, half of what they tell us ends up being bullshit in retrospect, and yet... Is it an ingrained deference for institutions and authority, from all those early years pledging allegiance and reciting whitewashed history from school texts? It's crazy that despite the endless loop of buying and buyers remorse, one way or another the PTB always get enough support to get their war on.

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Why is it so easy to cow us into war? (Original Post) whatchamacallit Sep 2014 OP
Its not. A year ago Obama failed to drum up interest leftstreet Sep 2014 #1
The narrative lacked the required focus and gravity to provide the impetus whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #6
Genetically we evolved as tribes. former9thward Sep 2014 #2
Fear is a powerful thing liberal N proud Sep 2014 #3
Don't diss the cow. randome Sep 2014 #4
Because we worship the money that orders us to war. n/t Orsino Sep 2014 #5
it's normal human behavior. The trick is to be different librechik Sep 2014 #7
War training from a young age via sports. Us vs. Them rewarded over and over valerief Sep 2014 #8
Cow? Not at all gratuitous Sep 2014 #9
Sadly, the record supports your assessment whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #10
Because the vast majority of people doesn't perceive that it affects them. raccoon Sep 2014 #11
K&R. Great photo. woo me with science Sep 2014 #12
+1 Change "Wolves" to "Dogs" and you would have the entire commentary of Pink Floyd's SomethingFishy Sep 2014 #17
Erect Bogeyman, wave flag, start bombing, send troops, and talk about peace. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #13
Ain't that the truth whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #14
kick woo me with science Sep 2014 #15
Or maybe people have rational reasons geek tragedy Sep 2014 #16
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, Zorra Sep 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author onenote Sep 2014 #23
What Reichsmarschall Hermann Wilhelm Göring said. Octafish Sep 2014 #19
+1 liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #20
Tyler Durden's take MinM Sep 2014 #21
That guy was a real authority. Octafish Sep 2014 #22

leftstreet

(36,101 posts)
1. Its not. A year ago Obama failed to drum up interest
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:15 PM
Sep 2014

Airstrikes on Syria, remember?

Brit parliament said Oh HELL no! US Congress flooded with calls/emails over a potential vote. NO!

This time...no talk of a vote, no citizen input...just go for it

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
6. The narrative lacked the required focus and gravity to provide the impetus
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:22 PM
Sep 2014

Maybe it took a year to roll out ISIS.

former9thward

(31,947 posts)
2. Genetically we evolved as tribes.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:16 PM
Sep 2014

Those tribes killed one another because of the scarcity of food among other things. So we are genetically programmed for war.

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
3. Fear is a powerful thing
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:17 PM
Sep 2014

Propaganda sells the fear that fuels the call to war that feeds the machine that is owned by the pigs who own the wolves to make the decisions above all else.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. Don't diss the cow.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:21 PM
Sep 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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librechik

(30,674 posts)
7. it's normal human behavior. The trick is to be different
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:23 PM
Sep 2014

when everyone else is screaming at you "baaaaaaaaaa"

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. Cow? Not at all
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:28 PM
Sep 2014

It's our national religion, here in the land of the High Church of Redemptive Violence. We go to war because war is the sacramental occasion for the populace. We believe in war with a ferocity and a faith that would put Torquemada to shame. No matter how long it takes, how much it costs, how many lives it wastes, and how ineffectual it is, the United States' faith in war to solve the world's problems is absolute and unquestioned. We love war. We revel in war. We start getting the jitters when we're not at war for any appreciable length of time. We'll gin up a war over the most picayune reasons or no reasons at all.

We go to war because we must go to war.

raccoon

(31,105 posts)
11. Because the vast majority of people doesn't perceive that it affects them.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:01 PM
Sep 2014

As long as there isn't a draft nor a war tax, that's how they'll see it.


SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
17. +1 Change "Wolves" to "Dogs" and you would have the entire commentary of Pink Floyd's
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:40 PM
Sep 2014

Animals written on that wall.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
18. "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people,
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:45 PM
Sep 2014

it is true that most stupid people are conservative." ~ John Stuart Mill

Response to Zorra (Reply #18)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
19. What Reichsmarschall Hermann Wilhelm Göring said.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:47 PM
Sep 2014

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

MinM

(2,650 posts)
21. Tyler Durden's take
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:49 AM
Sep 2014
A Simple Primer On "War Propaganda" From An Unexpected Source

Stop us when this becomes familiar:

The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-15/simple-primer-war-propaganda-unexpected-source

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