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[NYC_SKP]

1. A good father, he'll encourage her to follow her dream and her passion.

After college.

And if that includes becoming a soldier or pilot, he'll support that.

[99Forever]

2. Washington Bubble People's offspring actually go to the wars they declare?

Surely you jest.

[NYC_SKP]

4. Do Vice President Joe Biden's offspring count?

.....

[Nye Bevan]

5. Or John McCain's?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/mccainsons.asp

[JI7]

9. so maybe McCain should be President

[Nye Bevan]

10. Do you think having offspring in the armed services qualifies someone to be president?

Or might there perhaps be a little bit more to it than that?

[JI7]

12. not to me, but for those who think so

[Nye Bevan]

14. Very profound (nt)

[merrily]

11. Don't tempt Nye Bevan.

[NYC_SKP]

22. One of his son's could run with one of Palin's kids!!!

McCain Palin all over again!

[JI7]

24. so McCain Palin SHOULD have been the ticket , they are willing to send their own

[tblue37]

36. I have read that Track Palin chose the military option over prison after

seriously vandaliziing the brakes on a bunch of school buses--i.e., not so much a desire to serve as a desire *not* to serve time.

[merrily]

40. Supposedly, Palin Jr.s options (Track, is it?) were military or jail.

If those were my son's options, I'd carry him to enlistment central ASAP.

On the other hand.......

In addition to sending his own, McCain served himself. Perhaps he was not always sober when he flew (FUI?), but he served, as did his father and grandfather. If I had been tortured like McCain, I probably would have done all I could to stop my kid.

Not all service is the same, though.

[MADem]

38. He wins the "Kids In Uniform" sweepstakes.

And if you add in his VP candidate, she had one in uniform, too.

To hell with those stupid "Founding Fathers," and their attitude that civilian control of the military was the way to go--apparently, the attitude around these parts is that you either have to serve or make ....erhrrrm ... "encourage" your children to serve straight out of high school, no matter what they might want to do, by "talking up" the idea, otherwise you're some kind of asshole. A hypocrite, even!

And the proof is in the decision your ADULT child makes....~! If they don't choose to serve, you're a shitty President! Yeah, that makes sense...!

Indeed, by that standard, you are quite correct -- John McCain should have been President, because he's apparently "best qualified"--at least that is the sense I'm getting from this train wreck thread.

[merrily]

19. Prince Harry served in Iraq. Not the D.C. bubble, though. The royalty bubble.

[merrily]

13. They leave in debt.

Legal fees (because Paula Jones and then perjury about Monica resulted in impeachment).

Still, they somehow manage to buy a couple three mansions at a clip, just like I do when I am deeply in debt. What? That doesn't happen to you?

ETA: A friend of mine was raised by a single mom. Her father was almost a deadbeat dad, though he was very, very rich (slumlord). She once told me, "Even when I was three, I always knew when it was the first of the month, because that's when we'd get put out on the street."

Now, that's broke.

[MADem]

6. Her parents both have post graduate educations.

Why would he "talk up" his daughter taking a job that doesn't even mandate a high school diploma?

What an asinine construct.

If Malia wants to join the military, she'd probably apply to a service academy, go into an ROTC program, or go to an OCS/OTS after finishing college.

But she'd be an adult at that point--she can do what she wants.

Surely you aren't suggesting that children, even when they reach the age of majority, are PROPERTY and their parents can push these adults into following this career or that? When, in your world, has that worked?

And on a separate but tangential note, those of us who served in the AVF understand that the "V" means something. You apparently don't get that.

[MannyGoldstein]

7. So it's not a noble calling?

P.S. please point to where I claim that kids are their parent's "property". Or do the right thing and fix your post.

[MADem]

17. Why don't you do the right thing, and fix YOUR post?

Deleting it would be advisable. This is more flame bait from you. Typical fare.

I spent decades in that 'noble calling,' so I don't need to take any direction from you, any more than Malia needs to take 'direction' from her father.

[MannyGoldstein]

23. Where did I write that she needs to - or even should - take direction

from her dad?

I get it - you don't think that people who declare our wars should be inclined to talk the things up to the people they love. I think if it's right for the country, it ought to be write for my kin as well.

We disagree.

But that doesn't give you the right to put words in my mouth.

[MADem]

29. Why did you even write this train wreck of a post in the first place?

I don't think you DO get it, and I don't think you ever will, either.

As for your last sentence, maybe you just might try taking that to heart, yourself.

[MannyGoldstein]

37. We can agree on this:

One of us doesn't get it.

[MADem]

41. Yep.

I'd say it's the one who thinks that persuading one's kids to join the military makes one a "good" President.

McCain-Palin...four kids in uniform between them!

Whatta ticket, Manny...whatta ticket!

[MannyGoldstein]

44. Again, you're putting words in my mouth

Think about why you're doing that, and have a good night.

[MADem]

45. You should take your OWN advice, there. nt

[MattBaggins]

8. Wait is your first sentence stating they are to good for military service?

Military service is for public school schmucks?

[MADem]

15. Why don't you reread what I said, and then formulate the proper response?

Apparently you were "too" busy to read the full post.

[MADem]

18. Well, that's nice. Not sure what your point was in context, but it's nice. nt

[MADem]

27. I know you think you are snarkily insulting me, but your comments reflect upon yourself.

And I don't know you, so I can't say I am surprised, or not.

How dare someone not share your views~! Why, the NERVE!

[MannyGoldstein]

32. Well done.

Although I'm not quite sure of what you did...

[LawDeeDah]

25. low class

[MannyGoldstein]

28. Why?

If it's good for us lumpenproletariat, shouldn't the President also think it's good for his own kin?

[LawDeeDah]

33. I don't think parents should decide for their kids what their career should be.

I gather you don't care for Obama, that's fine, but I don't understand what your post really means. What's Malia got to do with anything?

[MannyGoldstein]

35. Where did I write anything to the contrary?

I think you're inferring things that I didn't write. Or I suck at expressing myself, which is certainly possible.

[MADem]

46. Good question.

I guess in some corners, it's perfectly cool to involve the minor children of public figures in lame policy strawmen in an attempt to "prove" something.

I just never thought those corners were Democratic/Progressive ones. Boy, was I wrong!!

[JI7]

48. usually it's done when one really dislikes/hates someone , remember Limbaugh and Chelsea

[MADem]

53. And Limbaugh and Amy Carter...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/the-last-six-times-rush-limbaugh-apologized#2fr0xat

And he's continuing his "tradition" with this President, as well:


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/06/16/echoing-beck-rush-limbaugh-mocks-malia-obama/166285

And it's not just him, either:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/22/1076740/--Time-to-Go-After-Obama-s-Children-Ann-Coulter-on-Hannity

http://thegrio.com/2010/05/28/glenn-becks-hits-new-low-with-malia-obama-attack/


I didn't think that was "our thing" here...

[MannyGoldstein]

56. Just to be clear, you're claiming that I attacked or ridiculed Malia?

Can you point out the specific quote that does this?

Thanks.

[MADem]

57. Where did I claim such a thing? Putting words in my mouth, are you?

This is what you said:




The subject of your post is the minor child of the President of the United States.

And you, apparently, are quite proud of your little post.

Not your finest hour.

Again.

Just to be clear, of course.

[MannyGoldstein]

58. No, the poll was about her father

Quite clear.

The examples you gave as comparable attacked or ridiculed the children of presidents.

Quite clear.

Your discomfort arond the President's likely behavior is interesting.

[MADem]

60. Yes, that's why your subject line named the MINOR CHILD of the President of the United States.

Quite clear, indeed.

[MannyGoldstein]

61. If the poll asked whether Malia would choose to enlist

you'd have a good point.

But it doesn't.

So you don't.

[MADem]

62. Your subject line, and your post, USES the MINOR CHILD of the POTUS.

An unelected, private citizen, and a MINOR CHILD.

I do have a good point, and I've made it.

Interesting that you double down in an attempt to justify your trotting out the MINOR CHILD of the POTUS.

Not your finest hour.

[MannyGoldstein]

64. So if my subject line and post were:

Sasha and Malia have

wonderful parents

I'd be doing the same thing as Rush Limbaugh, no?

[MADem]

65. That wasn't your subject line, though, was it?

You're working very hard to justify a post that uses the MINOR CHILD, a private citizen, of a PUBLIC FIGURE, the POTUS, to make your little point (never mind those Founding Fathers and their silly idea of civilian control of the military, never mind which branch of government actually declares war...let's talk about the MINOR CHILD of the POTUS, shall we?).

Your sad little post is a political dig at a public figure, and you are using the man's minor child to make what you think is your point.

Your point, though, is pointing right back at you.

Not your finest hour, Manny.

Not your finest hour.

[merrily]

26. I took a wild guess, which is all anyone replying to this thread can do.

Some of us fully realize we're guessing. Some of us not so fully.

[jberryhill]

30. she can do what she wants with her life

I have no idea what are her opinions about anything and neither do you.

It's pretty certain that anyone who has volunteered to join the military in the last decade knows what has been going on.

[MannyGoldstein]

34. My post said nothing of her opinions.

It merely asked about the consistency of her father's actions.

[jberryhill]

39. Do you talk up being annoying as a career with your kids?

[MannyGoldstein]

42. I talk up the virtues of clearly communicating things they find important

And the anger that often comes from cognitive dissonance.

[jberryhill]

49. How noble you must think you are

And all this time, I thought it was just self indulgent attention seeking behavior.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[MannyGoldstein]

50. And I said that... where? nt

[jberryhill]

51. you mentioned it once after Obama's third round of social security cuts

The one that came right before the Iran invasion, I think.

[MannyGoldstein]

52. Are you claiming that Obama did not call for, and offer, cuts in Social Security

on multiple occasions?

Seriously?

[jberryhill]

54. I was answering your question

[MADem]

43. +1 nt

[msongs]

31. obama kinder can folow the lead of the romney clan, good patriots one and all nt

[sgtbenobo]

47. Packed with vitamins....

....she will be.

Carry on.

[madinmaryland]

55. Your post qualifies for the DUZY of the YEAR!! Thanks, Manny.

[Coventina]

59. I thought only Congress can declare war?

Or are you trying to claim that the new offensive against ISIS is somehow a separate thing from the bogus "War on Terror" that was created by the previous admin?

I hope you realize that IS or ISIL or whatever we're calling it today is all part and parcel of Buschco's cockup.

[Skip Intro]

66. K&R MG. n/t

[alp227]

67. Name ONE president's child who ever enlisted. Still waiting...

No, George W. Bush doesn't count.

[MADem]

71. Every officer who receives a commission at the end of training is "enlisted" during that training.

So, by that criteria, off the top of my head, let's name a few:

Quentin Roosevelt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Roosevelt

John, James, and Elliot Roosevelt: http://unusualhistoricals.blogspot.com/2011/08/children-of-fdr.html

FDR, Jr (the 2nd one): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt,_Jr.

John Eisenhower: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eisenhower

Go back to the 1800s, and you'll find many more--Lincoln's son, for example.

[JI7]

72. if McCain was President we would have one

[blkmusclmachine]

68. The rich and privileged rarely serve. Except at the table of the 1%, which they do very eagerly.

[Ken Burch]

69. ...this'll be good...

[SleeplessinSoCal]

70. Truly not worthy of this forum

Pathetic really.