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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:39 AM Sep 2014

Federal Appeals Court Ridicules Florida Cops For Using SWAT Team To Check On Barbershop Licenses

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/federal-appeals-court-ridicules-florida-cops-using-swat-team-check-barbershop


Jerry L.Demings is Sheriff of Orange County, Florida.
Photo Credit: http://www.ocso.com/

Disney World is not the only fantasyland in Orange County, Florida, according to the U.S. Court of Appeals 11th Circuit, which Tuesday issued a remarkable ruling slamming the sheriff and a state barbershop inspector for imagining they needed—and then using— a SWAT team in a police raid to see if haircutting licenses were valid.

“It was a scene right out of a Hollywood movie,” the Court’s ruling began. “Teams from the OCSO [Orange County Sheriff’s Office] descended... with some team members dressed in ballistic vests and masks, and with guns drawn, the deputies rushed into their target destinations, handcuffed the stunned occupants—and demanded to see their barbers’ licenses. The Orange County Sheriff’s Office was providing muscle for the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation’s [DBPR] administrative inspection of barbershops to discover licensing violations.”

The Cout’s 44-page ruling, which will allow four barbers to proceed with a lawsuit that the cops violated their Fourth Amendment protection from unconstitutional searches, vividly describes how a team of local and state police ran amok—and then claimed immunity from prosecution, which the Court rejected, when the raid’s victims sued.

Notably, the ruling didn’t even talk about the blatant constitutional violations first, but instead snidely asked if the cops involved were complete idiots who thought they were so far above the law that they could ignore previous multiple rulings from the very same Court ordering cops not to conduct militarized SWAT raids as a routine tactic:

“We first held 19 years ago that conducting a run-of-the-mill administrative inspection as though it is a crminal raid... violates clearly established 4th Amendment rights. We reaffirmed that principle in 2007... Today, we repeat that same message again. We hope that the third time will be the charm.”
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Federal Appeals Court Ridicules Florida Cops For Using SWAT Team To Check On Barbershop Licenses (Original Post) xchrom Sep 2014 OP
Them there barbershop quartets can quickly pipoman Sep 2014 #1
They shoot anyone off-key. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #23
Were they singing "Camptown Races?" Atman Sep 2014 #2
So now Barbering While Black is also a crime now? hobbit709 Sep 2014 #3
I do too. please note though that the fuckwad sheriff is also black. cali Sep 2014 #6
Idiocy is colorblind. Glassunion Sep 2014 #21
Sad and true... daleanime Sep 2014 #35
I'm unfortunately reminded of that every time I think of Ben Carson. IrishAyes Sep 2014 #47
and a Dem nt Mojorabbit Sep 2014 #33
Listen to "Fuck da police" awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #38
How to stop it? Take away their toys & put the offending officers in prison. baldguy Sep 2014 #4
Exactly! These renegade cops should start serving some serious time. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #14
The professional licensing thing quaker bill Sep 2014 #5
True -Professional Regulation was gutted but back in the Jeb Bush days csziggy Sep 2014 #57
JEB did clear out whole office buildings quaker bill Sep 2014 #59
I can picture them planning this assault Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #7
Oh my god that was hilarious! yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #27
I should have done the press interview afterward Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #29
Yes you should have. Very cleaver and extraordinary! yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #30
"with circles and arrows and a The Wizard Sep 2014 #44
Worthy of The Onion. IrishAyes Sep 2014 #49
Not surprising in Florida Waitsman Sep 2014 #8
Fight the ticket. Request the video of the incident from the cops. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #26
Welcome to DU, Waitsman! FourScore Sep 2014 #40
Hey, there's RAZORS in there! And HOT TOWELS! WinkyDink Sep 2014 #9
Give little boys big toys and they will make their own sandbox to play in with them. The Pentagon Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #10
I take extreme exception to your portrayal of President Obama. Just know that. IrishAyes Sep 2014 #50
Before you box my ears, sounds like no fun at all, I would open yours to the comment. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #51
"OMG, they have SCISSORS! Get the armored Humvee, Frank." n/t ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #11
Florida is not the only Police State, Peoria - yes, that one - also has aspirations SorellaLaBefana Sep 2014 #12
I half expect them to do a SWAT team raid on the judge. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #13
Probably. ... because guy dresses in black robe, potential terrorist! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #15
Hard to believe they could be that stupid. badtoworse Sep 2014 #16
Were there fewer delusional TNNurse Sep 2014 #17
So now they obviously have too many SWAT teams with not enough to do to justify their existence. Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #18
Love the wording of the ruling. jen63 Sep 2014 #19
Clearly the police have too much christx30 Sep 2014 #20
Hello My baby, Hello My Swat Team, Hello My Crazy Town Chasstev365 Sep 2014 #22
Federal court is the friend of minorities. Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #24
Wonder what they were going to do? IF the papers were not what they want were they going to jwirr Sep 2014 #25
If you read the opinion, what happened was woolldog Sep 2014 #28
No shit. blogslut Sep 2014 #42
What no cavity search? They went through each barber's station and drawers at the place?? lunasun Sep 2014 #52
OMG! bobGandolf Sep 2014 #31
They talk politics in some barbershops... grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #32
When this happened, I knew the OCSO would get sued steve2470 Sep 2014 #34
Are we sure the swat team didn't just need a freshening up on their buzz cuts! Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #36
I would hope this was The Onion Aerows Sep 2014 #37
You'd think they would have them doing more productive things like rounding up stray dogs Major Nikon Sep 2014 #39
I think they are shooting them from drones. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #41
YAY COPS! Rex Sep 2014 #43
The police will take this to the Supreme Court The Wizard Sep 2014 #45
At least nobody got killed this time. IrishAyes Sep 2014 #46
When your only tool is a hammer... 99Forever Sep 2014 #48
I thought maybe it had some name that could incite like 'We Cut Headz' but NO there wasn't even a lunasun Sep 2014 #53
They flipped off the court twice? MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #54
Remember,....it's a war zone out there. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #55
American cops have become 3D cartoon characters. Literally. nt valerief Sep 2014 #56
This is ridiculous. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #58
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
1. Them there barbershop quartets can quickly
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:52 AM
Sep 2014

Outnumber and overtake a lone license authority official. ..what is one to do when they commence blowing a pitch pipe during the inspection?

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
3. So now Barbering While Black is also a crime now?
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:59 AM
Sep 2014

I hope the plaintiffs get a bundle from these bastards.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
47. I'm unfortunately reminded of that every time I think of Ben Carson.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 09:34 PM
Sep 2014

Years ago he seemed like such a fine, brilliant man - and then he turns out to be, well, the way he is.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
4. How to stop it? Take away their toys & put the offending officers in prison.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:02 AM
Sep 2014

If the police dept can't or doesn't know how to use a SWAT team appropriately, it shouldn't have a SWAT team.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
5. The professional licensing thing
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:21 AM
Sep 2014

got really weird in the early days of the Scott administration. I don't have a license, as ecologists don't need one. However, it could easily be that Scott appointed a fruitbat to DBPR. There was a pretty good number of fruitbats in his early appointments, some are still serving, some resigned, others were the subject of indictments, and a few have been convicted....

At any rate, there was strange stuff going on in the legislature about professional licenses, and in the middle of this mess came these raids. I am sure if someone could dig deeply enough, and given the records were not destroyed illegally, a very interesting story would emerge.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
57. True -Professional Regulation was gutted but back in the Jeb Bush days
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 01:25 AM
Sep 2014

Some of the licensing and services done through the bureau were paid completely by fees so it didn't actually cost the state to provide the services and enforce the regulations. But Scott's people cut everything down to the bone, sometimes to the point that legally required enforcement was no longer possible with the people in DBPR.

And here's the thing - those fees were and probably still are being collected, even though the legislatively mandated services are no longer available.

Maybe Scott's people did more mutilation to the department, but I got a lot of inside stories from a friend who worked for DBPR when Jeb got into office. She ended up getting a lateral transfer to Unemployment, one department that has not been able to be cut under our run of Republican governors. If I think about it the next time I talk to her, I'll ask about what she's heard since Scott has been in office.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
59. JEB did clear out whole office buildings
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 07:16 AM
Sep 2014

in Tallahassee. Rick Scott did even more, but at first his thing was replacing the "top ten" paid employees in every agency with cronies. I do not believe there were exceptions. Some of the replacements were vastly more unfortunate than others.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
7. I can picture them planning this assault
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:30 AM
Sep 2014

on the hood of their assault vehicle:

"Okay team, this is going to be a three pronged assault. Team Bravo will lead the attack directly into the front of the building. While team Charlie will sweep around through the black...I mean, back... knocking out any trip mines along the way. A team will follow me in executing a flanking movement to the right side of the target. D team will stand ready with the mortars in case things get hairy. Watch for snipers in the windows. It seems we have a 70 year old barber in violation of his business license so anything can happen. It's go time."

These cops must be delusional. Are we sure this story is not a South Park routine?

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
27. Oh my god that was hilarious!
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 10:50 AM
Sep 2014

I had a big time belly laugh reading your reply. You are probably very accurate too. Oh I am so glad I had the pleasure of reading your reply this morning. So funny!!!

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
29. I should have done the press interview afterward
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 11:20 AM
Sep 2014

"...at that point, the suspect drew a comb and was overheard using threatening remarks to the effect of "You guys have a seat and I'll be with you in a minute. Hey, what the hell are you guys...?" so we had no choice but to go hot..."

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
44. "with circles and arrows and a
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 09:03 PM
Sep 2014

paragraph on the back explaining what each one was."
With apologies to Arlo Guthrie.

Waitsman

(38 posts)
8. Not surprising in Florida
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:34 AM
Sep 2014

Recently they did a widespread sting on crosswalk violations. It made the local news the same day because it was textbook entrapment. I know, as I was caught up in one. While driving I saw a man standing on the corner a block ahead. I watched him because it was odd that he was just standing there also watching me, as I was the only car on that road. As I drew near, he deliberately and obviously waited until I was close and then walked out to block the road. I slowed to make sure I didn't run over a crazy person and he stopped in the other lane. I was pulled over by cops waiting ahead and after some deliberation, given a warning ticket for not yielding to a pedestrian. I asked the officer then if he was one of them and he confirmed that the man who walked in front of me was indeed a cop. Within a few weeks I noticed new electric signs at major intersections, warning with flashing lights, to yield to pedestrians. It made sense then, the whole thing was to create an excuse for the county to pay for these, likely expensive signs. The only mystery is who got the kick back.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
10. Give little boys big toys and they will make their own sandbox to play in with them. The Pentagon
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:59 AM
Sep 2014

must be so proud of their progeny, a militarized homeland that loves guns, embraces violence, yet lives in fear, and unlimited money for it all.

Tie all together with a purchased mass media and a black man at the top to bring them all together in hatred and you have the kindle wood of fascism, Mussolini style.

Too bad for the kindling that there is no economic collapse to really fire things up.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
50. I take extreme exception to your portrayal of President Obama. Just know that.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 09:42 PM
Sep 2014

Too bad I don't have time tonight to verbally box your ears, but you could use it.

SorellaLaBefana

(144 posts)
12. Florida is not the only Police State, Peoria - yes, that one - also has aspirations
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 08:13 AM
Sep 2014

The mayor of Peoria, Ill - Dickwad Ardis - did not like a paradoy twitter feed of his office and so ordered a door-smashing SWAT raid at the home of the perp.

The local DA had enough sense not to prosecute the Twitter perp, but sadly the perp's roomate now faces felony narcotics charges for mj possession.



One may directly contact Mayor Dickwad Ardis's office at:
http://www.peoriagov.org/mayors-office/#FSContact1
as it is possible that he has a keen interest in what people think about his repression of free political speech in Peoria. I certainly did.

Also, on the good side, as the UK Guardian reports:

As for the mayor, he has tried to justify his reaction to the Twitter spoof by claiming that it had damaged his standing. “My identity as mayor was stolen,” he said a few weeks after he dispatched the police.

It is not known whether he now regrets his decision to send in the Swat team. One measure of its success is that there is no longer one parody feed ridiculing Ardis on Twitter – there are 15.

These can be found at:
https://twitter.com/search?q=peoria%20mayor&src=typd&mode=users%20.


This is almost enough to tip me to sign up on The Twitter.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
17. Were there fewer delusional
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 08:49 AM
Sep 2014

Paranoid, gun crazy and power mad people before the internet or do we just know about them because of it???? Same question applies to racists, abusers and semi-literate writers and "news professional".

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
18. So now they obviously have too many SWAT teams with not enough to do to justify their existence.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 08:50 AM
Sep 2014

Funny, they bitch about high taxes, yet they are always the ones to blow up the budget!

jen63

(813 posts)
19. Love the wording of the ruling.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 08:51 AM
Sep 2014

It's about as far as they could go without calling them total fuckwads.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
20. Clearly the police have too much
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 09:02 AM
Sep 2014

money. Slash their budget by 30 to 40%.
There HAS to be something the courts can do to stop this crap. A contempt ruling, a staggeringly huge settlement for plaintiffs of this kind of raid.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
22. Hello My baby, Hello My Swat Team, Hello My Crazy Town
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 09:05 AM
Sep 2014

Maybe they picked some chatter on the Barbershop Quartet!

Baitball Blogger

(46,705 posts)
24. Federal court is the friend of minorities.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 10:13 AM
Sep 2014

Too many "authorities" claim they have immunity from prosecution--which is something that our state representatives are working hard to ensure. That's why it's always good to have about half a million dollars handy for mad money should you ever have to hire a smart attorney who isn't connected to the hive.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
25. Wonder what they were going to do? IF the papers were not what they want were they going to
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 10:24 AM
Sep 2014

shoot them? This is ridiculous. We have a militarized police force across the country and what they are using it for is small crimes. This while the big criminals go scot-free. They are a waste of money.

blogslut

(38,000 posts)
42. No shit.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 08:44 PM
Sep 2014

The Barber Board inspected the place two days before the raid and everyone had their licenses and passed the sanitation inspection. Those assholes swat-teamed them anyway.

That is so fucked up.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
34. When this happened, I knew the OCSO would get sued
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 03:57 PM
Sep 2014

It happened in a minority-predominant part of Orange County. I dare say it would have never happened in a white-predominant part of the county. Complete idiots. I'm glad they got sued.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
37. I would hope this was The Onion
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:38 PM
Sep 2014

but actions by police pretty much don't surprise me much anymore.

A SWAT team to potentially catch people engaged in second degree misdemeanor. Guns drawn in a shop full of kids getting hair cuts for the first day of school. Shop keepers on the floor and cuffed, despite the fact that everyone had a license and nothing was going on other than ... people getting hair cuts from licensed barbers.

Insanity.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
46. At least nobody got killed this time.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 09:31 PM
Sep 2014

I'm still reeling over the guy who shot and killed one of the men trying to break into his home on a no-knock raid, and now he's charged with murder! Soooo many cops just out of control anymore.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
53. I thought maybe it had some name that could incite like 'We Cut Headz' but NO there wasn't even a
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 10:11 PM
Sep 2014

stupid mixed up reason to act like they were terrorist or any danger warranting a SWAT
Nothing other than barbers who cut hair there
And the place had already been inspected 2 days before

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