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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 01:52 PM Sep 2014

Why are western health workers with Ebola flown out, but locals left to die?

Skin color, perhaps?

Dr Olivet Buck was a doctor in Sierra Leone who treated Ebola virus sufferers.
She caught the virus, WHO refused to evacuate her to a western hospital that agreed to take her.
Other ( Western) medical personnel had been evacuated with no problem.
She died.


Why are western health workers with Ebola flown out, but locals left to die?
The death of Dr Olivet Buck after the WHO refused to fly her out of Sierra Leone is not just wrong: it’s making the Ebola epidemic worse.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/15/ebola-doctor-death-olivet-buck-sierra-leone

Story here:

Dr Olivet Buck died late Saturday, hours after the World Health Organisation (WHO) said it could not help medically evacuate her to Germany, Sierra Leone's chief medical officer Dr Brima Kargbo confirmed to the Associated Press.
Sierra Leone had requested funds from WHO to transport Buck to Europe, saying the country could not afford to lose another doctor. WHO said it could not meet the request but instead would work to give Buck "the best care possible" in Sierra Leone, including possible access to experimental drugs.

So far, only foreign health and aid workers have been evacuated abroad from Sierra Leone and Liberia for treatment.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/14/ebola-outbreak-fourth-doctor-dies-sierra-leone


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Why are western health workers with Ebola flown out, but locals left to die? (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Sep 2014 OP
Profit perhaps, who is developing the anti serum? misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #1
We brought our Americans back home yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #4
Yeah, right. And America is free from racism too Lancero Sep 2014 #14
Ok....if you believe that. Good on ya. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #16
The facts speak to it. Lancero Sep 2014 #21
You are right. The vaccine is also limited. still_one Sep 2014 #26
I don't think he was forbidden to re-enter the U.S. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #39
This ebola problem that's been left to spread is beginning to seem valerief Sep 2014 #2
Here's a link to the CDC's patent for Ebola. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2014 #5
Why are you surprised at the push for a viable vaccine? It's sorely needed. pinto Sep 2014 #9
that appears to be a vaccine for the Bundibugyo strain, not Zaire or Sudan strains magical thyme Sep 2014 #12
sorry, it won't be that profitable. Ebola is not that rampant. If you would have said something still_one Sep 2014 #28
that's fairly ridiculous. isn't neglect bad enough? cali Sep 2014 #10
Of course. The PTB are negligent over climate change, too, despite the consequences. valerief Sep 2014 #18
You do realize it is difficult to deal with certain customs. Health workers were being threatened still_one Sep 2014 #34
The 8 health care workers Aerows Sep 2014 #42
All the health workers and volunteers are truly heroes in my book still_one Sep 2014 #44
Well according to at least one of the Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #3
I think those who have been evacuated had funding from organizations other than WHO. magical thyme Sep 2014 #6
Available resources may be a key factor. WHO had nothing to do with US patient transport. pinto Sep 2014 #7
Because the WHO SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2014 #8
Because they are from those countries treestar Sep 2014 #11
I don't get it. You can't even bring in a mango from Mexico, but ebola virus is just fine. librechik Sep 2014 #13
It's neither stupid nor dangerous given the expertise involved in safe medical transport. pinto Sep 2014 #17
ok--but those people were doing precautions when they got sick. librechik Sep 2014 #20
Sadly, yeah. pinto Sep 2014 #25
Read on BBC that workers get 840high Sep 2014 #37
Three reasons: NuclearDem Sep 2014 #15
Good old racism malaise Sep 2014 #19
True... using white folks as guinea pigs whistler162 Sep 2014 #23
Hi malaise. I think that's a broad brush stretch of an assessment. pinto Sep 2014 #27
You are wrong in this case. The countries they are from, are bringing their own citizens in. still_one Sep 2014 #29
Not really, the first and foremost reason is that WHO is broke Warpy Sep 2014 #32
I don't agree. 840high Sep 2014 #38
She died "within hours" of the request. I'd guess she was already terminal riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #22
Primarily because they have somewhere else to go SoCalDem Sep 2014 #24
Anybody who is willing to go to an ebola-infested place Quantess Sep 2014 #30
Damn those westerners who volunteered to try and help in Sierra Leone... (scarcasm) still_one Sep 2014 #31
Actually, the focus needs to be on containing it to prevent spread, and setting up the conditions in still_one Sep 2014 #33
They are being taken back to their own countries Marrah_G Sep 2014 #35
Germany agreed to treat her: dixiegrrrrl Sep 2014 #45
I don't know, maybe they could not afford the flight Marrah_G Sep 2014 #48
Because they're going home where they belong. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #36
The quest for new outrage on DU get dumber every fucking day. LostInAnomie Sep 2014 #40
It is in infant stages Aerows Sep 2014 #41
Foreign people are flown back to their home countries oberliner Sep 2014 #43
What do you want to do? Airlift 6000+ people here? B2G Sep 2014 #46
If a member of your family fell seriously ill while vistiting Tanzania, Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #47

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
1. Profit perhaps, who is developing the anti serum?
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 01:58 PM
Sep 2014

Would hope there is compassion in there also.
I am at a loss as to why only foreigners. Why would they deny a Dr regardless of nationality? Doesnt make sense.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
4. We brought our Americans back home
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:10 PM
Sep 2014

That is what we do. End of discussion. Has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with citizenship.

Lancero

(3,002 posts)
14. Yeah, right. And America is free from racism too
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:58 PM
Sep 2014

A US citizen was refused permission to return from Africa, despite needing medical help. He WASN'T infected with Ebola, but had fell into a coma. His family was wanting to bring him back to the US to have access to better equipped facilities and a neurologist.

Note that he wasn't infected with Ebola. He was tested many times, cleared everytime. He needed to be brought back home to recieve medical attention that he couldn't obtain in Africa.

Instead, we left him to die. And he did die.

We've pulled out ebola infected people, our citizens, from ebola infected countries for better medical attention But why did we refuse to allow this one person, a uninfected person, to return for medical help? If it's really about bringing our people back home, why was he left to die?

He was black. To date, the ebola infected people we've pulled out, the citizens you say we are saving not because of skin color but because bringing our people back is what we do? They were white.

http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2014/08/healthy-u-s-man-in-africa-dies-after-being-denied-re-entry-due-to-ebola-outbreak/

Lancero

(3,002 posts)
21. The facts speak to it.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 05:45 PM
Sep 2014

If it was really about bringing our citizens back home, why were whites infected with Ebola brought back but a black man who WASN'T infected left to die?

It seems that if it really was about bringing our people back, he would have been allowed entry. Instead he was made to stay and die in a foreign country, despite the fact that he posed no risk of infecting other persons.

You claim racism doesn't play apart of these decisions, yet this case disproves you. So common, defend your claims that the decisions on who to save or not to save are not affected by the persons skin color.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
39. I don't think he was forbidden to re-enter the U.S.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 11:57 PM
Sep 2014

It was the country of Liberia that forbade him to leave, since he was in a hospital that was under quarantine. And didn't he die several days before any other Americans had been evacuated? Furthermore, he was in a coma for several days prior to his death. Sadly, it's just not that easy making it out of a third world country under such circumstances.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
2. This ebola problem that's been left to spread is beginning to seem
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 01:58 PM
Sep 2014

less like neglect and more like nurturing.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
5. Here's a link to the CDC's patent for Ebola.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:11 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en

And it appears that the vaccine for this current form of Ebola is going to be very profitable.
A vaccine they are now testing.

I was surprised at how fast that vaccine was developed.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
9. Why are you surprised at the push for a viable vaccine? It's sorely needed.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:21 PM
Sep 2014

Coupled with local infection control efforts a vaccine is key to stemming Ebola infections and deaths.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
12. that appears to be a vaccine for the Bundibugyo strain, not Zaire or Sudan strains
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:34 PM
Sep 2014

"Compositions and methods including and related to the Ebola Bundibugyo virus (EboBun) are provided.
Compositions are provided that are operable as immunogens to elicit and immune response or protection from EboBun challenge in a subject such as a primate. Inventive methods are directed to detection and treatment of EboBun infection.

...These specimens were negative when initially tested with highly sensitive real-time RT-PCR assays specific for all known Zaire and Sudan ebolaviruses and Marburg viruses. This new species is referred to herein as "the Bundibugyo species", abbreviated "EboBun"."



There are vaccines in testing now for the Zaire strain. However, the longer this outbreak continues and grows, the more opportunities it has to mutate. There is a very real chance that any vaccines in development now will be useless against a highly mutated strain.

still_one

(92,063 posts)
28. sorry, it won't be that profitable. Ebola is not that rampant. If you would have said something
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:30 PM
Sep 2014

Hepatitis C, or HIV, or Malaria, you might have a point, but not in this case

valerief

(53,235 posts)
18. Of course. The PTB are negligent over climate change, too, despite the consequences.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 03:25 PM
Sep 2014

I find that ridiculous.

still_one

(92,063 posts)
34. You do realize it is difficult to deal with certain customs. Health workers were being threatened
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 08:06 PM
Sep 2014

about moving the deceased, because family members were preventing it. Special procedures have to be followed when dealing with the deceased. It is classified as a biosafety level 4 agent, as well as a Category A bioterrorism agent by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
3. Well according to at least one of the
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:06 PM
Sep 2014

Doctors evacuated, treated with scarce experimental drugs, and recovered, "god" had a role.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
6. I think those who have been evacuated had funding from organizations other than WHO.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:15 PM
Sep 2014

WHO came out of the 2008 financial crisis $1.2B in the red. It had to slash 20% of its staff. Then the world decided that the infectious disease division was unecessary and its budget was gutted. As a result, it is fallen down totally on this crisis, which has been left until recently to the charity aid organizations to handle.

The American doctors that have been evacuated were paid for in full by their charity organizations.

I'm not saying this is right. I'm saying this is what's happening.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
7. Available resources may be a key factor. WHO had nothing to do with US patient transport.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:16 PM
Sep 2014

It seems their medical transport was a joint effort among US organizations, including the CDC, the State Department, their "home" hospitals, the organizations they worked with and perhaps US military resources.

Not sure how many airplanes there are equipped with medically sterile isolation units, negative air pressure, etc. available worldwide.



Personally, I feel there's a pressing need for professional staff and resources, including comprehensive infection control measures and treatment options, to be available on-site.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
11. Because they are from those countries
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:29 PM
Sep 2014

What country is Dr. Olive Buck from? If she is from Sierra Leone, she's not a citizen of Germany and they may not want non citizens with Ebola in.

We had a thread here where people thought it outrageous we let our own American doctors back into their own country.

The answer to the virus would not be in evacuating the entire population of Sierra Leone elsewhere.

They do have a point about saving a doctor, though, as the health care workers seem vulnerable.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
13. I don't get it. You can't even bring in a mango from Mexico, but ebola virus is just fine.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:42 PM
Sep 2014

it's stupid nd dangerous in my opinion. And the notion that it has roots in racism is repugnant but likely true.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
17. It's neither stupid nor dangerous given the expertise involved in safe medical transport.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 03:21 PM
Sep 2014

You may have seen the processes involved in the first transport to the US. Everyone was in "moon suits" as a precautionary measure.

And, fwiw, there's a lot of misunderstanding about the difference between infectious and contagious. Ebola infection is very deadly and related to close contact with infected individuals. That's the cutting edge. Ebola contagion is limited by the means of transmission, again close contact with an infected individual. i.e Ebola is highly infectious but is limitedly contagious.

Two different things.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/09/16/347727459/which-contagious-diseases-are-the-deadliest

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
15. Three reasons:
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 03:07 PM
Sep 2014

1) WHO is short on funds.

2) Western doctors being evacuated are not being evacuated through WHO, but by their respective governments or charities.

3) Citizenship.

Warpy

(111,175 posts)
32. Not really, the first and foremost reason is that WHO is broke
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:56 PM
Sep 2014

If a doctor isn't a foreigner from a first world country, WHO isn't able to provide a medical flight out of the country. Doctors from first world countries are flown out for treatment by their first world countries on their dime, or the charity's dime.

WHO is broke because of the PTB's addiction to AUSTERITY.

Should a black doctor from the US be affected, s/he will be flown back to the US. However, the pictures won't be taken lest the racists get their panties in a twist.

The first time a plutocrat's spawn gets infected during a joy ride to Africa, we might see WHO funding increased. Just don't bet the rent on it.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
22. She died "within hours" of the request. I'd guess she was already terminal
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 05:58 PM
Sep 2014

Besides WHO isn't the one flying western aid doctors "home" for treatment, the associated charities are doing it.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
24. Primarily because they have somewhere else to go
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:07 PM
Sep 2014

As "Westerners", they are from somewhere else, and have access to western medical care in all its glory...and proximity to family members who can lobby for their return, and who will assist in their care if necessary.

just my guess..

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
30. Anybody who is willing to go to an ebola-infested place
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:38 PM
Sep 2014

to work to prevent the spread of, or try to eradicate ebola, must have a death wish.

Not only will your efforts be unappreciated, you will be viewed with suspicion for just being there, and you run a good chance of getting violently killed by conspiracy theorists who see you as the source of ebola.

Really smart!

still_one

(92,063 posts)
33. Actually, the focus needs to be on containing it to prevent spread, and setting up the conditions in
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:58 PM
Sep 2014

those affected countries so it does not get any worse, plus making as much of the vaccine available as they can to everyone

Focusing on finger pointing with racist leaning overtones does nothing to help the situation or the people involved

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
35. They are being taken back to their own countries
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 08:50 PM
Sep 2014

Not sure any country would bring a non-citizen with ebola into their countries. Personally I think it is stupid since every Doctor is vital, I just can't make the leap to it being because of skin color.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
45. Germany agreed to treat her:
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 02:15 PM
Sep 2014

Sierra Leone’s president backed her, saying that a hospital in Hamburg was “in readiness to receive her”

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
48. I don't know, maybe they could not afford the flight
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014

The WHO is not the one who pays for the flights. Usually it is the charities or country the person works for.

LostInAnomie

(14,428 posts)
40. The quest for new outrage on DU get dumber every fucking day.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 12:13 AM
Sep 2014

There are at least a dozen reasons that could be pointed out as to why racism has nothing to do with this. But, the easiest way to point out that this fabricated outrage is idiotic is to point to the simple fact that the health workers are there in the first place.

If there was racism at work, why bother sending anyone?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
41. It is in infant stages
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 12:23 AM
Sep 2014

and there isn't a large scale production of it yet, nor is there conclusive proof that it works.

With an n of 3 cured by it, it's a bit early to know if it will work on the vast majority of patients even if they had unlimited supplies of the drug. It also overlooks the fact that in the west we have significantly more sophisticated hospitals and can dedicate a multitude of doctors to one patient.

The problem is lack of availability, poor conditions on the ground where the outbreak is occurring and the fact that the outbreak is affecting more people each day.

Not to mention that some of the same medical personnel that have volunteered to help and work in the areas hit by the crisis were murdered and their bodies thrown into a latrine.



 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
43. Foreign people are flown back to their home countries
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 12:35 AM
Sep 2014

Whereas for non-foreign people, this is their home country.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
47. If a member of your family fell seriously ill while vistiting Tanzania,
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 04:45 PM
Sep 2014

and was medically evacuated back to the US by their insurance company, would you be kicking up a stink that sick Tanzanians were not also being brought to the US for treatment? And would this be an example of racism?

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