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Aerows

(39,961 posts)
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:44 PM Sep 2014

Babies getting thrown out of incubators

Mobile labs that are creating biological weapons.

Weapons of mass destruction.

Where have I heard such excuses for waging WAR instead of apprehending the criminals? The LAPD could lock up Syria in five minutes and have the suspect either dead or in cuffs. But the finest military fighting force the world has ever seen ...

With the finest Intelligence officers that usurp the Constitution to keep us "safe" didn't see the rise of this organization?

Uh, what are my tax dollars that go to the Defense budget paying for, exactly?

I'd be better off funding clowns that entertain sick children in hospitals if THIS is the best narrative they can come up with for the latest "reason for war".

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nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
1. for those too young to remember
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:54 PM
Sep 2014
The Testimony of Nayirah al-Sabah

The Nayirah testimony was a fake testimony given before the non-governmental Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990 by a woman who provided only her first name, Nayirah. The testimony was widely publicized, and was cited numerous times by United States senators and the American president in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War.

In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-Ṣabaḥ and that she was the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign which was run by Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has come to be regarded as a classic example of modern atrocity propaganda...



Hill & Knowlton

In 1990, after being approached by a Kuwaiti expatriate in New York, Hill & Knowlton took on "Citizens for a Free Kuwait." The objective of the national campaign was to raise awareness in the United States about the dangers posed by Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein to Kuwait.

Hill & Knowlton conducted a $1 million study to determine the best way to win support for strong action. H & K had the Wirthington Group conduct focus groups to determine the best strategy that would influence public opinion.[40] The study found that an emphasis on atrocities, particularly the incubator story, was the most effective.

Hill & Knowlton is estimated to have been given as much as $12 million by the Kuwaitis for their public relations campaign...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)


Fool me once...shame on ...Can't get fooled again!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. Idea: Send the entire LAPD and Ferguson Police Department over there.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:54 PM
Sep 2014

Your post inspired that thought.

At first, I thought I was kidding but the more I think about it...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
3. I know
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:57 PM
Sep 2014

The more you think about it, the more you realize that we could send half of the units from across the country and have this shit straightened out in a jiffy.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
4. Of course they knew about ISIL as it gained momentum.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 11:54 PM
Sep 2014

But their first thought was not "How can we defend America?" but was instead "How can we use ISIL for our own purposes?"

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
5. Its simple. If you cross the street when cars are there you get hit. If you cross when there are no
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:09 AM
Sep 2014

cars, you don't get hit.

Those are two different situations. Crossing the street isnt always the same and doesnt have the same outcome.

ISIS is a real threat and is recognized as such by many people who opposed the idea of deposing Assad a few months ago and who also opposed the Iraq war in 2003.

There are a lot of us. Me, Sens Warren and Sanders, Jimmy Carter, the Rude Pundit, etc.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
6. There are about 5 things wrong with approaching it this way
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 02:42 AM
Sep 2014

in my opinion, Steven, but it's late, I'm munching on leftover Chinese food because I'm starving and I need sleep. I will indeed respond tomorrow in a comprehensive fashion.

You aren't wrong, but there are many different ways to cross the street without getting plowed down by an MRAP for starters. My opinion only, but I have to eat and sleep LOL!

pampango

(24,692 posts)
11. "It’s not just facts that have a liberal bias; so does careful, open-minded analysis."
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 02:09 PM
Sep 2014
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/yellen-wages-and-intellectual-honesty/

Conservatives invent "facts" (like the incubator story) or deny facts (climate change denial) to suit the policy (war/unfettered capitalism) that they prefer.

Liberals, for the most part, look at the facts - both those that confirm our beliefs and those that are 'inconvenient' - and devise policies that are based on these facts.

Autumn

(44,765 posts)
12. Planting their flag on the White House is a good one too.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 02:13 PM
Sep 2014
I swear to God this nonsense is so fucking stupid.
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