Well, the march is at the top of my Google news feed with 2000+ articles

[Recursion]

Including the NYT, Christian Science Monitor, Business Week, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, WSJ, IBN, and multiple regional newspapers. (Even Breitbart!)

I'm not sure where the accusations of a "blackout" are coming from.

[The Traveler]

1. I saw no mention of it on CNN

which I watched for a while this afternoon. Lots of coverage re: The NFL's problems.

Doesn't mean it wasn't mentioned at some point ... but I found it odd that for the 45 minutes or so I had the news on, it was not mentioned at all.

Trav

[Recursion]

2. True, though it's a hard sell for modern TV

"What do they want?"

"A broader range of policy debate on climate change and some sort of believable assurance that our concerns are shared by government"

The only unified message I saw from the march was opposition to Keystone, which isn't per se a climate change issue (changing where oil is refined rather than how much of it).

[The Traveler]

4. Wrong

Keystone is a huge climate change issue. If you don't understand the difference between tar sands oil (and its production) and "sweet light crude" (as an example) then you need to do some research.

"What do they want?"

Action on curbing emissions. I really don't know where you got your interpretation of the mission statement from. Seriously. It sounds like you haven't been paying attention.

Trav

[Recursion]

6. Wrong

If you don't understand the difference between tar sands oil (and its production) and "sweet light crude" (as an example) then you need to do some research.


What does the existence or nonexistence of a pipeline have to do with that? If you're against gravity drainage or vapor extraction, then come out against them.

The exact same amount of oil gets extracted no matter what happens with the pipeline; that's about its transportation afterwords.

Action on curbing emissions.

Like?

By?

[The Traveler]

7. The mining tar sands and refining process

Both release much more carbon per unit mass than processing of "light sweet crude".

You also have to refine more raw tar sands oil to produce a gallon of gasoline. See above. (Seriously. Are you trolling or are you really that unaware?)

Further, tar sands sludge is too viscous to pump through the pipeline. It has to be mixed with stuff that has real interesting chemical properties ... and which you absolutely do not want seeping into ground water. I know. We should trust the oil companies. They handled the Gulf spill just fine, right?

Until recently, tar sands was an economic loser as fuel resources go due to these considerations. Transport and refinement per unit volume are more expensive than for better grades.

Action on curbing emissions ... oh, there are lots of options. You should check 'em out. Consider Germany's rapid shift to solar. (I know ... Fox News assures me that Germany gets more sunlight than we do ... ) I'm not here to do your research. I have a full time job and all that.

Your argument is specious. The purpose of a protest is never to perform the function of a think tank. Rather, it is to focus attention on an issue and express a popular demand for action. 400,000 (at last report) people took the trouble to show up and make that expression. Have we seen a demonstration of similar magnitude in support of burning dinosaurs at the expense of the biospehere? No. Didn't think so.

Trav

[joshcryer]

3. Most people are driven by cable news, talking heads.

So that's where that sort of accusation almost always comes from. The MSM doesn't really report the news, they report whatever trumped up thing that they think will drive views.

The newswire, as I have always and repeatedly said, employees people who spent their lives trying to be journalists, and who will cover whatever actual news exists in their radar that they can get access to. I'm talking people who go to get that degree in journalism, spend 4 years at it, finally get it, and go do the real work that tells the real story.

[The Traveler]

5. Yep

The news readily available to people is best described as "news entertainment" ... sorta like WWE for journalists. (Except WWE "wrestlers" are actually consummate stuntmen .... so the comparison to Wolf Blitzer does them something of a disservice.)

Trav