ISIS "We will conquer your Rome, break your crosses, and enslave your women"

[denem]

"Crusaders, you have realized the threat of the Islamic State ... If you fight it, it becomes stronger and tougher. If you leave it alone, it grows and expands"

"As you walk on your streets, turning right and left, fearing the Muslims ... you will not feel secure, even in your bedrooms ... we will strike you in your homeland."

Muhammad Al Adanani, Spokesman for the 'Islamic State' 9/22.

(excerpt) Crusaders, you have realized the threat of the Islamic State, but you have not become aware of the cure, and you will not discover the cure because there is no cure. If you fight it, it becomes stronger and tougher. If you leave it alone, it grows and expands. If Obama has promised you with defeating the Islamic State, (then he has lied as) Bush has also lied before him ...

We will conquer your Rome, break your crosses, and enslave your women, by the permission of Allah, the Exalted. This is His promise to us... If we do not reach that time, then our children and grandchildren will reach it, and they will sell your sons as slaves at the slave market ...

(Crusaders) ... you will pay a great price. You will pay the price when your economies collapse. You will pay the price when your sons are sent to wage war against us and they return to you as disabled amputees, or inside coffins, or mentally ill. You will pay the price as you are afraid of travelling to any land. Rather you will pay the price as you walk on your streets, turning right and left, fearing the Muslims. You will not feel secure even in your bedrooms. You will pay the price when this crusade of yours collapses, and thereafter we will strike you in your homeland, and you will never be able to harm anyone afterwards. You will pay the price, and we have prepared for you what will pain you.

http://world.al-mustaqbal.net/new-speech-islamic-state-spokesperson-indeed-your-lord-is-ever-watchful/



Also http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/islamic-state-followers-urged-to-attack-australians-by-any-means-possible-20140922-10kg74.html

[Art_from_Ark]

1. Where have I heard that before?

[cali]

2. blah, blah, blah. delusions of grandeur

[denem]

3. Summary: We are a clear and present danger,

and a suicide cult.

[CJCRANE]

12. They are a nurtured opposition

that has been given an enormous amount of help by various countries, rich individuals and social media.

[denem]

15. ISIS were founded in Iraq by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

as an Al-Qaeda operation in 2004. They took the name A' Qaeda in Iraq. At that time, they were supported by Al-Qaeda central. No more, no less. The Iraq State of Iraq split from Al-Qaeda in 2007 after al-Zarqawi.

[CJCRANE]

16. That doesn't rule out what I said.

Who funded them, trained them, armed them, helped them grow via social media etc?

[cali]

14. no, they are not a clear and present danger to this country.

and I hate to break it to you, but there are lots of "clear and present" dangers.

[denem]

17. Well 1. They have declared "we will hit your homeland"

2. They have the financial resources - $400m+
3. They have military resources/expertise
4. They have 30,000 experienced combatants
5. They are being bombed by the US
7. They have an ideology that justifies an (counter) attack.

So ... why do you think they do not mean it?
They have the motivation, the means
and made a statement to their followers world wide,

If this is not a clear and present danger, by a non state actor,
what is?

[CJCRANE]

18. Your tax dollars helped pay for it

so you might as well get your money's worth in fear and terror if that's what you enjoy.

[denem]

20. There would be no ISIS without the 2003 Iraq war, so yeah,

trillions of tax dollars made it all possible.

[CJCRANE]

22. And provided most of the weapons and vehicles left behind

by the Iraqi army.

[denem]

26. We 'trained' the Iraqi Army in Mosul.

Heck of a job, George. They ran away like puppies.

[cali]

21. then how come experts have said repeatedly that they are NOT

a threat to the U.S.?

but booga wooga fear fear fear. I pity people who cringe in terror.

[denem]

24. And why is that?

They have the money, motivation, man power and militancy to hit the US - and they have said - just said - they want to do it. What more could you want? Seriously? Put it another way: if a well funded, well armed, experienced militant operation said we are going to hit your homeland - and you/congress/the executive ignored it. Then there was a big hit. There would be hell to pay. Why? Because like Bin Laden determined to hit inside the US, it was a clear and present danger.

[cali]

32. they bluster. money itself is not enough. they have a very full plate in Syria and Iraq.

furthermore, do you really think it's that easy to hit the U.S., post-9/11?

but I suppose you know more than the experts both within and outside of government. Nor am I suggesting ignoring ISIS, but does it ever occur to you that what we're doing in response to ISIS may make everything worse? We have recent history to enable us to see that military intervention over the past 10+ years has been disastrous. The "unforeseeable consequences" aren't really so unforeseeable. Our military interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya have been a cluster fuck. Why on earth would you think that this time we'll have different results?

[denem]

35. They have the money, the means, the militants and the motivation.

Their spokesman says we will hit your homeland. Let's leave it there. Peace.

[cali]

36. why not answer my question?

I'm afraid I find the kind of fear mongering that you're engaged in, really disturbing.

[denem]

39. If this group is not a clear and present danger,

can you give me an example of a non state actor who fits the bill. You are asking me to prove a negative: Prove that ISIS is not determined, is not able to strike within the United States. It's a dead end. Post anything more without my collaboration. EOM.

[CJCRANE]

45. Perhaps we should all hide under our beds

like they told us too.

[cali]

48. I am not asking you to prove a negative. We've spent billions since 9/11

implementing measures that should make it difficult for any kind of massive attack on the U.S.

we have plenty of reason to believe that military intervention will make things worse and more dangerous. Evidence in the form of the results of our military actions in the region. We have zero evidence leading us to believe that military intervention will make us safer.

have fun with your quivering fear and fear peddling.

[PragmaticLiberal]

47. "do you really think it's that easy to hit the U.S., post-9/11? "

What's concerning is the fact that some of these guys have western passports.

[CJCRANE]

52. How does that make a difference?

[PragmaticLiberal]

55. From Slate:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/07/isis_s_foreign_fighters_will_the_americans_and_europeans_flocking_to_the.html


Armed with Western passports and “clean skins,” these Western volunteers can more easily get past security measures to threaten commercial aircraft or carry out other terrorist operations in the Wes

[CJCRANE]

57. There are already pro-jihadis in the west

and have been for years.

Britain is a HQ for the hate preachers and France is full of radicals.

What's stopping them from doing something right now?

Plus these guys returning from Turkey and the Middle East will be much more conspicuous.

[PragmaticLiberal]

61. Fair point CJ, but being a "hate preacher" and being a member of ISIS is a different animal imo.

The preacher/radical is just talking (for the most part) but an ISIS member has already put those words into action.

[Dorian Gray]

4. I want to do everything we can

to piss these people off. (ISIS) I like that the French have taken to calling them Daesh, much to their chagrin. I would like to do that, too. And stop referring to them as a "state."

[denem]

9. I wrote 'Islamic State'

that is all

[sakabatou]

6. And the world rolls its eyes

[CJCRANE]

7. Neocon Symbiotes.

[Katashi_itto]

8. Is this a Republican speech?

[merrily]

29. A rose is a rose is a rose. Gertrude Stein.

Right wing is right wing is right wing. merriy

[jberryhill]

10. Okay kids, but don't stay out too late

[JI7]

11. is that from snl ?

[Nye Bevan]

13. Reading between the lines, I am detecting some anger and hostility (nt)

[Inkfreak]

19. Wait. I've heard something similar before...

"Conan! What is best in life?" "To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"

[CJCRANE]

23. ISIS deliberately uses sci-fi fantasy and gamer memes on social media to recruit teenagers.

There have been articles in the WSJ and Guardian etc. about it.

[denem]

25. Did you read 'The Statement'?

Warning - its boring. IMO it is a fire and brimstone religious tract, with few references to the modern world.

[CJCRANE]

37. Games about ancient warriors and barbarians are part of the modern world.

The post I was replying to referenced "Conan the Barbarian" and the similarity with the extremist rhetoric.

A lot of the foreign fighters are westerners brought up on playing video games about soldiers and warriors etc. Hence my reference to the recruitment methods and memes.

They are a bunch of gullible idiots playing out their own sick fantasies IMO.

They have more in common with the Dothraki than what they claim to be.

[Itchinjim]

27. That's pretty ambitious.

Dream big, as I always say.

[merrily]

28. Rome is the holy land now? And they

say Americans don't know geography.

[KurtNYC]

30. as the first war fought on social media, we see the distinct possibility here for sock puppetry

ISIS seems to be goading, specifically, the countries who are reluctant to join the coalition: Australia, France ("spiteful and filthy&quot , Germany, Obama ("mule&quot and Kerry ("uncircumcised geezer&quot .

Curiously, insults for McCain, Lindsey Graham, Turkey and the Saudi have been lacking.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2764736/ISIS-urges-Muslims-kill-disbelievers-calls-Secretary-State-John-Kerry-old-uncircumcised-geezer-latest-audio-release.html

One is reminded of a Matador waving a cape for the bull.

[CJCRANE]

38. It does seem that way.

IMO these guys are modeling themselves on Game of Thrones characters rather than whatever holy book they claim to be following.

[CJCRANE]

40. They also use the "Sybil attack" method...

which is to create hundreds or thousands of sock puppets to make it seem like there are more of them than there actually are.

[jen63]

31. I'm cowering.

In my bedroom......

[DinahMoeHum]

33. Neah neah-neah neah neah. . .boogy boogy boo.

[Brigid]

34. "Enslave your women?"

Really? Obviously these idiots have never been around American women. First of all, many have guns. Second, we'd be more trouble than we're worth.

[FrodosPet]

41. Stand tall, stand proud!

And say "To hell with you" to evil assholes, whether they are halfway around the world or halfway down the hallway.

(Note: The above video was not posted as a call to violence - just a call for women to get the Earls out of their life, and for men of compassion to help them)

[denem]

42. As an Aussie, married to an American woman,

I laughed. ROFLMAO. When an ISIS goon says, "I am your Lord and Master, you will obey me immediately and without question" please, please, let me be a fly on the wall at that time, when Miss/Mrs/Ms America says her piece in return.

[Brigid]

46. The movie "Ruthless People" comes to mind.

[sufrommich]

56. Isis already enslaves women,sells them to rebels,limits their

movements and kills those who don't behave.None of those women are less brave or troublesome than us,to imply that they are in that situation because they aren't as strong as american women is silly.

[BKH70041]

43. Sounds like what Darius said to Alex.

[randome]

44. Funny they don't mention what 'crusade' they're talking about.

Iraq? Israel? I doubt any of that (as atrocious as it has been) has anything to do with enslaving their own women.
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[Marrah_G]

49. Good luck with that

Idiots.

[Orsino]

50. That's just the key phrasing to get through Lindsey Graham's spam filter...

...and alert him to coming orders.

[onecaliberal]

51. Seriously

Has everyone forgotten the last time this rhetoric was being tossed around?

[Autumn]

53. Oh my how frightening!!!

Try it, guess what you get

[ZombieHorde]

54. Good luck with that. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

58. Has he been copying John McCain's speeches?

[Autumn]

67. Nah that's what the republicans are going to do if we don't send money to fight them.

Check your e mails, it's all there. yeah that's bad of me ( hangs head in shame)

[lpbk2713]

59. No

Just no.


Dreaming out loud.

[sabrina 1]

60. Sounds like a script from a bad movie. Reminds me of the old 'fat' and 'thin' scary Osama

videos. I wonder who is writing their scripts?

[ladjf]

63. Exactly! Teenage, comic book level of thinking. But, still dangerous to mankind.

Even Jimmy Carter says to go after them. nt

[sabrina 1]

65. Funny how they suddenly became a threat 'worse than Hitler' when no one

even heard of them, at least with their current name tag, which appears to be changing by the minute until a few weeks ago. The propaganda has been intense, just like 2003.

The West ignored the violence in Iraq under Maliki until they didn't get their way in Syria.

So now, we are told we have to repeat what caused all this in the first place.

The British Empire has been meddling in the ME for eons, creating unnatural borders etc that any fool would have known could never work without installing Dictators. Which they did, of course.

I wonder who is influencing who here, the old, dying British Empire using the 'new world's' power to continue their failed policies, or the 'new world' using the old British Empire's 'experience' to build its own Empire which of course means grabbing the resources of every nation on earth?

[Newsjock]

62. 4chan with weapons

The epitome of trolling.

[librechik]

64. it's a small world, but are they really at the gates already?

[kentauros]

66. We get signal.

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.

[LeftyMom]

68. It read better in the original Dothraki. nt

[JEB]

69. I'm sure Uncle Sam has the personnel

that could off a couple of these idiots with a pigs penis shoved down their throats.