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CTyankee

(63,768 posts)
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:32 AM Sep 2014

WOW! Did you SEE all the coverage Morning Joe gave the climate change march today?!

Neither did I.

I guess it was too much of a "local story"...

Over 300,000 people in the street in Manhattan...and it's like it never happened...

I guess Joe, home in New Canaan and Mika in Bronxville with her family, just didn't much give a damn...no guests brought it up either...

Let's all go back to sleep...

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WOW! Did you SEE all the coverage Morning Joe gave the climate change march today?! (Original Post) CTyankee Sep 2014 OP
That show could not be more dishonest. merrily Sep 2014 #1
CNN gave 2 seconds literally. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #4
Yes, all of the networks suck. merrily Sep 2014 #6
Yup, I stopped watching years ago. Had hopes of a balanced show seeing they had Dem Fla Dem Sep 2014 #55
Since yesterday evening I watched several newscasts to see the coverage malaise Sep 2014 #2
Are we in the least bit surprised? CTyankee Sep 2014 #3
I was thinking the same thing, Malaise. bulloney Sep 2014 #5
Correct malaise Sep 2014 #8
^^^THIS^^^ valerief Sep 2014 #51
Why would anyone watch Morning Joe albino65 Sep 2014 #7
Precisely Sherman A1 Sep 2014 #9
well said! nt dorkzilla Sep 2014 #12
BINGO.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2014 #68
Why, Sherman A1 Sep 2014 #70
They've now made the Ray Rice story more of an excuse to talk about NFL football... CTyankee Sep 2014 #13
TIME website says 400,000 attended! n/t ReRe Sep 2014 #10
Just more excess evidence of their greed in towing the fossil fuel line so BP will continue to spend Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #11
I'm all for public financing of elections and think it would help but, A Simple Game Sep 2014 #49
I agree that something needs to be done with the revolving door between business and politics. Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #56
Yes by all means, we need to start somewhere. What you suggest is A Simple Game Sep 2014 #58
Its a non-story for the media... Moostache Sep 2014 #14
Exxon, Koch Brothers, Coal Companies, Gas Fracking Companies, and so on buy the ad time ..... Botany Sep 2014 #17
Unlike the largest anti-war rally in history (according to Guinness), this seemed to have no effect RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #25
I keep thinking of the blackout of that rally, so the non-coverage of yesterday's march valerief Sep 2014 #52
Very sad to hear that. Big marches all over the world. Overseas Sep 2014 #15
Lots of coverage KurtNYC Sep 2014 #16
So ... you watched it on CNN money TV? Ichingcarpenter Sep 2014 #18
People who live and work in air conditioned steel towers. raouldukelives Sep 2014 #19
I'd like to believe what you said, that the rich have a vested interest in protecting the CTyankee Sep 2014 #21
Did you really think it was going to be different this time, Charlie Brown? RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #20
+1 lunasun Sep 2014 #35
Obama and Hillary billhicks76 Sep 2014 #37
Yes. We keep making the same mistake, time and time again. RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #39
The real corporatists Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #44
Sure But billhicks76 Sep 2014 #64
Yeah but 50 people show up to demand Obama be Impeached and they get non-stop coverage LynneSin Sep 2014 #22
The United States, its MSM is all owned by the same people, who own the banks and corporations. UCmeNdc Sep 2014 #23
The media has been captured by the 1%. They'll report what they want us to know, and nothing more. blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #24
And most of it is bullshit lying arse info to boot. Iliyah Sep 2014 #26
next time bring guns n.t librechik Sep 2014 #27
10/26/2002 underpants Sep 2014 #28
The MSM have learned that if they don't cover it, it's like it didn't happen... CTyankee Sep 2014 #38
We live in a bubble. Reference February 2003 underpants Sep 2014 #43
We have a great venue for public demonstrations in my city: the New Haven Green CTyankee Sep 2014 #45
Our local outlets did better with our local event. oldandhappy Sep 2014 #29
help me debunk RRNJ Facebook post Sedona Sep 2014 #30
Of course that's not so - LiberalElite Sep 2014 #34
Thank you for participating and cleaning up underpants Sep 2014 #42
I didn't LiberalElite Sep 2014 #46
Spare Me! RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #48
I was there as a volunteer - LiberalElite Sep 2014 #31
10 people show up for a tea party protest PatrynXX Sep 2014 #32
but 12 rightwing truckers show up, when thousands were promised Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2014 #33
It was depressing that The Today Show spent 3 x as much time on that missing catbyte Sep 2014 #36
Al Jazeera locks Sep 2014 #40
Agree colsohlibgal Sep 2014 #41
More people were at the march than watched his show live. I'll settle for that. At some time .... marble falls Sep 2014 #47
Finally, big Ed covered it on MSNBC and he criticized the media Cleita Sep 2014 #50
watching it now. He must be so ashamed of his cable network! CTyankee Sep 2014 #53
Yup, Ed did an excellent show on the march today. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #66
No tazkcmo Sep 2014 #54
Still waiting for coverage of the dead intern in his office. Ino Sep 2014 #57
yes i did barbtries Sep 2014 #59
But when 50 gun toting yahoos wearing tri-cornered hats SoCalDem Sep 2014 #60
The corporate media is the corporate media and to say they suck Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #61
thanks, I'm just wondering how long this is going to take before more folks all around the CTyankee Sep 2014 #62
Thanks to the Internet, I believe the people are waking up and televison is dying, but Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #63
Maybe everyone should bring guns next time? Quixote1818 Sep 2014 #65
Corporate controlled media.. Hulk Sep 2014 #67
&, of course, this surprises no one..isn't the joester run by climate denial fraudsters, Koch bros? Cha Sep 2014 #69

merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. That show could not be more dishonest.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:36 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:17 AM - Edit history (1)

Joe doesn't even believe Joe. Ditto his beloveds from Politico and Game Change.

Crawl on screen. "None of us believes what he or she is saying. We want more money and we don't care what we have to do to get it."

That's what I see on the bottom of the screen whenever I watch.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. Yes, all of the networks suck.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:46 AM
Sep 2014

But the crew on Joe is especially disingenuous, IMO. They can barely keep a straight face.

Fla Dem

(23,339 posts)
55. Yup, I stopped watching years ago. Had hopes of a balanced show seeing they had Dem
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 06:02 PM
Sep 2014

analysts and guests on. But no such luck. Blow Joe just talks over them and contradicts whatever they say. He made so me angry, I just had to stop watching.

malaise

(267,784 posts)
2. Since yesterday evening I watched several newscasts to see the coverage
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:41 AM
Sep 2014

It received about 30 second on most newscasts. I turned on Joe Scum to see how they covered it - I'm still waiting.
By the way, the people who count are saying over 400,000 folks were there.

Now if a Palin or Cruz led gang of 10 tea party goons with racist anti-Obama signs and 100 porta-potties had gathered, they would have given us live coverage.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
5. I was thinking the same thing, Malaise.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:45 AM
Sep 2014

The news gerbils would have counted the porta-potties in their head count to inflate the attendance.

 

albino65

(484 posts)
7. Why would anyone watch Morning Joe
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:47 AM
Sep 2014

unless it's to keep track of the enemy. Does anyone ever ask him about interns anymore, or does time erase all sins?

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
68. BINGO....
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:55 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:36 AM - Edit history (1)

And you will have a BIG FAT STAR on the invisible whiteboard!

CTyankee

(63,768 posts)
13. They've now made the Ray Rice story more of an excuse to talk about NFL football...
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:59 AM
Sep 2014

altho some of it is good. I did like David Axelrod's analysis, but they don't seem to want to talk about domestic violence or the treatment of women by not only these star athletes but in our general culture as well. The women's groups spokespersons are pretty scarce...

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
11. Just more excess evidence of their greed in towing the fossil fuel line so BP will continue to spend
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:53 AM
Sep 2014

100's of billions in advertising. When we finally get Publicly Funded Federal, State, and Local Elections, the first thing we must have OUR REPRESENTATIVES do is to bust up the media and banking oligopolies and require TRUTH in the news!

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
49. I'm all for public financing of elections and think it would help but,
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 05:11 PM
Sep 2014

do you think that would have made any difference in how Eric Cantor was as a Representative? Payday isn't always just while you are working, sometimes you have to wait for the severance package.

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
56. I agree that something needs to be done with the revolving door between business and politics.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 06:37 PM
Sep 2014

I feel that we need to approach this one step at a time though. Once politicians are elected without campaign contributions we will have many more like Bernie Sanders and Elizebeth Warren and they will be better able to deal with the revolving door, climate change, busting up the oligopolies, passing a budget that shifts money away from the MIc and over to infrastructure, education....
The key and the sole focus we should have until it is passed is the Publicly Funded Elections. That opens up all of the doors to be able to deal with our other problems that the current Congress refuses to deal with such as immigration. It would also help to deal with the hyper-partisanship that we have.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
58. Yes by all means, we need to start somewhere. What you suggest is
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 06:58 PM
Sep 2014

as good as anything and better than most. I agree 100%.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
14. Its a non-story for the media...
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:08 AM
Sep 2014

The pay masters said so, ergo, its a non-story.

It could be 400,000,000 people world wide and they're not covering it without the tacit approval of 400 oil and gas executives.

Botany

(70,281 posts)
17. Exxon, Koch Brothers, Coal Companies, Gas Fracking Companies, and so on buy the ad time .....
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:31 AM
Sep 2014

.... on the networks and they also buy and own politicians from both sides too.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
25. Unlike the largest anti-war rally in history (according to Guinness), this seemed to have no effect
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:17 AM
Sep 2014

Just think, if it weren't for the huge Feb. 15, 2003, anti-war rally, when an estimated 36 million people took to the streets worldwide, we might have spent more than a decade embroiled in a brutal war in the Middle East.

Oh. Wait.

Never mind.

Unless it causes them reputation-damaging embarrassment, puts them in legal jeopardy, or, most importantly, loses them money, the Fat Cats will do as they please, thankyouverymuch.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
52. I keep thinking of the blackout of that rally, so the non-coverage of yesterday's march
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 05:22 PM
Sep 2014

doesn't surprise me in the least. We have no free press.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
15. Very sad to hear that. Big marches all over the world.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:11 AM
Sep 2014

They provided an opening to address the problems instead of continuing the reckless pretending we don't see them.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
18. So ... you watched it on CNN money TV?
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:36 AM
Sep 2014






I think the point is its not on national TV no one disputes that the internet covered it.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
19. People who live and work in air conditioned steel towers.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:44 AM
Sep 2014

Who travel by limo and jet planes. Very rarely spend any time in the "real world". The real world is out there in between all the fluorescent lights and asphalt.
Those who do spend more time in reality can plainly see the effects all around them. It is how I was able to switch a few longtime Republicans to voting Democrat. They don't like seeing the home of their ancestors being ravaged by drought, storms, fires, floods and loss of biodiversity any more than most of us here. As crazy as it may sound, some of them truly do care about saving forests, rivers, lakes, oceans and wildlife they have grew up with and sharing them with the next generation.

CTyankee

(63,768 posts)
21. I'd like to believe what you said, that the rich have a vested interest in protecting the
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:57 AM
Sep 2014

environment for their own kids and grandkids...but not enough seem to...

funny, saving the environment used to be "cool." What happened?

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
37. Obama and Hillary
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:14 AM
Sep 2014

Thus cartoon says it all. Let's not get fooled this time around. Vote Progressive not Corporatist.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
39. Yes. We keep making the same mistake, time and time again.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:23 AM
Sep 2014

Even the Dim Son understood this in his own garbled way:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." -- George W. Bush.


Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
44. The real corporatists
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:11 PM
Sep 2014

are the people (mostly Republicans) in Congress who keep blocking jobs bills, top tax hikes, and minimum wage increases. Both Obama and Hillary have supported those things.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
64. Sure But
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:18 PM
Sep 2014

That's peanuts compared to protecting big banks and the fleecing of the treasury by military contractors pushing foreign wars and contractors here hooked on drug war dollars. Obama talks out if both sides of his mouth so at this point only actions matter. He is completely subservient to the ones that both Bush and Clinton serve. We need a progressive this time or even a progressive-lite. No more fakes or I guarantee the next decade will get very ugly.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
22. Yeah but 50 people show up to demand Obama be Impeached and they get non-stop coverage
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:09 AM
Sep 2014

even though the organized promised 10 million people at their event.

UCmeNdc

(9,589 posts)
23. The United States, its MSM is all owned by the same people, who own the banks and corporations.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:09 AM
Sep 2014

Do you think they want average Joe to think or talk about important issues?

underpants

(182,271 posts)
28. 10/26/2002
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:27 AM
Sep 2014

If you weren't watching CNN in that beautiful fall day you didn't know that at least 250,000 marched against the war in DC. If memory serves it was barely mentioned on the Sunday morning shows (back when people watched them) and not after.

CTyankee

(63,768 posts)
38. The MSM have learned that if they don't cover it, it's like it didn't happen...
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:17 AM
Sep 2014

I wonder how many Americans have no idea that there was this march...

underpants

(182,271 posts)
43. We live in a bubble. Reference February 2003
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:07 PM
Sep 2014

the largest protest in world history. 10-14 MILLION people took to the streets across every continent to protest the war AND say "Don't trust them" (W&Co. ). I wasn't even aware of it until a later anniversary. I must have missed DU posts about it and I usually don't miss those kind of posts. There was almost no coverage here in the States. None. Didn't happen.

CTyankee

(63,768 posts)
45. We have a great venue for public demonstrations in my city: the New Haven Green
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:18 PM
Sep 2014

founded in 1638...been to a few myself!

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
29. Our local outlets did better with our local event.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:30 AM
Sep 2014

But, yea, I am beginning to join Sarah about the Lame Stream!! Except for Cosmos and the Teddy/Franklin/Eleanor series and John Oliver!! Now you know. I hope MSNBC later in the day will give some coverage. The 2,000 events in 166 countries needs to get noticed at the U.N. tomorrow. Thank you for the post CTyankee.

Sedona

(3,769 posts)
30. help me debunk RRNJ Facebook post
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:34 AM
Sep 2014

I won't repost here but there's a bunch of RW posts and tweets about a shitton of trash left in the streets after the march.

Can I get some assistance please?

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
34. Of course that's not so -
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:49 AM
Sep 2014

I was located near the end of the march, went the whole route and there was some debris, e.g., discarded signs and (paper) water cups along the sides. Whatever trash there was at the end where the food trucks were located, was neatly collected in containers labeled for recyclables and non-recycleables. That's IT.

underpants

(182,271 posts)
42. Thank you for participating and cleaning up
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:02 PM
Sep 2014

The FB posts probably are counting trash that would have been there anyway.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
46. I didn't
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:19 PM
Sep 2014

actually clean up (although I did put my small amount of garbage in the designated recepticle)
- I was a kind of marshall they called a "peacekeeper" - but others did volunteer for the trash duty. The amount of trash on the streets was very little considering the hordes of people that came through.

P.S.: The RW lies all the time - why would they stop now?

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
48. Spare Me!
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 04:42 PM
Sep 2014

I was talking with a young guy about that yesterday when he saw someone drop a sign and leave it there, so I yelled to them, "Pick up that sign, it's your's!" and it was taken by someone who wanted to carry a sign for a while. I was taking pics on B'way and 42 St. and watched the whole thing pass.
There was no more garbage than if there would have been the normal contingent of Disneyfied tourists on a Sunday.

That Disneyfication has got to go! I remember when it was all mom and pop stores, small theaters, and a few bigger ones. In the past 20 years or so, it has just become a huge shopping mall. Yucch!

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
31. I was there as a volunteer -
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:37 AM
Sep 2014

I was a "peacekeeper" - I was stationed way back near the end of the assembly area at 81st Street, with a walkie-talkie so I could hear what was going on up front. The march started on time at 11:30 a.m. and it took nearly THREE HOURS before the marchers could start moving at 81st street - start time for us was around 2:30p.m.. Some people left in the meantime. Some had kids with them and the kids had had enough.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
32. 10 people show up for a tea party protest
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:37 AM
Sep 2014

and the media outflank them X_X 400,000 people show up and nobody notices.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
33. but 12 rightwing truckers show up, when thousands were promised
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:38 AM
Sep 2014

and the media treats it as earth-shattering

catbyte

(34,165 posts)
36. It was depressing that The Today Show spent 3 x as much time on that missing
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:01 AM
Sep 2014

UVA student than it did on the climate change rallies. MSM at its worst.

locks

(2,012 posts)
40. Al Jazeera
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:48 AM
Sep 2014

covered the march. If you want to see what is really happening in the world it is one of the very few places where you may find some real reporting, investigation, and going behind the headlines. (Their "Inside Report" coverage and information on Ebola and what is happening to West Africa's and world economies is not found on mainstream media.) The problem is that if you didn't see Al Jazeera's stories, you cannot always find the same information on the net. PBS Newshour also does not put their shows on the net until the next day or later.

Thanks to Democracy Now! we could see coverage on the net live streaming. But as always with mainstream media just follow the money that leads to the sponsors and who owns the channels. Is it any wonder that people elect crazy right-wingers when all they see, read, and hear is mindless, brainwashing crap?

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
41. Agree
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:01 PM
Sep 2014

AJ is the place where you often find real in depth reporting about stuff the corporate MSM mostly blows off. Or often BBC news. Greg Palast can't get any kind of real reporting job in the US but the BBC hired him.

We hear so little unfiltered news from the MSM. And yes, when 13 Tea Party clowns get together they're all over it and inflate the numbers, but the climate march got almost no play with thousands and thousands marching.

It harkens back to the Shrub, aka Dubya. There were huge demonstrations against his "installation" on Inaugural Day 2001, and the media verbally ignored it and blocked video shots so as not to show it. Also huge anti Iraq war rallies were totally marginalized.

"1984" is totally here in 2014.

marble falls

(56,353 posts)
47. More people were at the march than watched his show live. I'll settle for that. At some time ....
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 04:08 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:33 PM - Edit history (1)

in the near future climate change will be dealt with, and sooner or later no one will remember who the freak Joe of the old Morning Joe Show was. Except that an intern was found dead in his office before he left Congress soon after. Just that and that only.

CTyankee

(63,768 posts)
53. watching it now. He must be so ashamed of his cable network!
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 05:24 PM
Sep 2014

I hope the network got the message, too, but I have some real doubts about that. But who knows, maybe they got a shitload of complaints about their arrogant avoidance of the coverage of this march. The effin' effers...

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
66. Yup, Ed did an excellent show on the march today.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:26 PM
Sep 2014

Rachel and Lawrence didn't mention the march. By the time their shows came on, the strike on ISIS in Syria was announced and that news took over.

barbtries

(28,702 posts)
59. yes i did
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 07:04 PM
Sep 2014

even though i never, ever watch that show and in fact do not even have a tv.

there was no coverage of the march, am i correct? so yeah, i saw it.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
60. But when 50 gun toting yahoos wearing tri-cornered hats
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 07:06 PM
Sep 2014

show up in Armpit, Ohio...Triple Chin, Tennessee....Turkey Neck, Arkansas, they get wall to wall coverage about their patriotism

Uncle Joe

(58,107 posts)
61. The corporate media is the corporate media and to say they suck
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 07:07 PM
Sep 2014

is as saying Black Holes have strong gravitational pulls, substantive truthful information can't escape the former anymore than light can escape the latter.

The corporate media; is oblivious to the greater truth and in a default antagonistic position against the American Peoples' higher awareness just by the very nature of the beast.

Thanks for the thread, CTyankee.

CTyankee

(63,768 posts)
62. thanks, I'm just wondering how long this is going to take before more folks all around the
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 07:40 PM
Sep 2014

country wakes up!

Uncle Joe

(58,107 posts)
63. Thanks to the Internet, I believe the people are waking up and televison is dying, but
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:05 PM
Sep 2014

its still a dangerous beast.

That's also why the corporate media is attacking the Internet in a multitude of ways, Net Neutrality being one example.

They're trying to put the genie back in the bottle and turn the Internet into cable television by controlling information that the people can view, using slow lanes and the dollar as a gatekeepers.



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Hulk

(6,699 posts)
67. Corporate controlled media..
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:57 PM
Sep 2014

Same thing was happening with OWS. Only difference was then they would sift around for some violence, or some sidewalk mental case that was shouting some rude or obscene comments to the scattered press.
We have lost journalism any longer. We have network stories that pump up revenues. No time for important matters such as climate change. And as for Joe and Kayla...there are no different than Ed Shultz or Rachel Maddow or ANY other host on those sad cable networks. The major networks are little better. This country is fook'd. Glad I'm checking out in the next few years or decades, cause the flush has begun.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
69. &, of course, this surprises no one..isn't the joester run by climate denial fraudsters, Koch bros?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 02:12 AM
Sep 2014
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