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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:26 PM Sep 2014

Krugman- Return of the "Bums on Welfare"

Thinking some more about John Boehner’s resurrection of the notion that we’re suffering weak job growth because people are living the good life on government benefits, and don’t want to work. It has long seemed to me that the issue of unemployment benefits is where the debate over economic policy in a depression reaches its purest essence. If you’r on the right, you believe — you more or less have to believe — that unemployment benefits hurt job creation, because you’re “paying people not to work.” To admit that depression conditions are different, that the economy is suffering from an overall lack of demand and that putting money into the pockets of people likely to spend it would increase employment, would mean admitting that the free market sometimes fails badly. And of course disdain for the unemployed helps a lot if you want to oppose any kind of aid for the unfortunate.

But there’s something remarkable about seeing these claims made now — because even if you believed that expanded unemployment benefits were somehow a cause rather than an effect of the economic crisis, those expanded benefits are long gone. Here’s unemployment benefits as a percentage of GDP:


They’re back down to their level at the height of the “Bush boom”.

And here, from Josh Bivens, is the recipiency rate — the percentage of the unemployed receiving any benefits at all:


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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/return-of-the-bums-on-welfare/?smid=re-share

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Krugman- Return of the "Bums on Welfare" (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2014 OP
Republicans are perpetuating this myth like all other myths AZ Progressive Sep 2014 #1
kick - nice charts hfojvt Sep 2014 #2
Both BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #3
I guess I was wrong about that hfojvt Sep 2014 #8
The right wing BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #4
"Bush Boom" Turbineguy Sep 2014 #5
Unemployment insurance isn't "welfare". nt ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #6
Prof Krugman has some good comments on Boehner's stupidity Gothmog Sep 2014 #7

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
1. Republicans are perpetuating this myth like all other myths
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:38 PM
Sep 2014

For political gain of course. Republicans thrive on dividing.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
2. kick - nice charts
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:01 PM
Sep 2014

only 25% of the unemployed are getting unemployment benefits? Wow.

Are the rest mostly a) recent graduates or b) long term unemployed?

I am guessing A

BlindTiresias

(1,563 posts)
3. Both
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:04 PM
Sep 2014

Long term unemployed are essentially considered broken by most employers (really it is a form of bigotry) to the point where you are seeing state level subsidization of employers to even hire them in the first place. It isn't well publicized but that is what is happening on the front lines.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
8. I guess I was wrong about that
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:56 PM
Sep 2014

long term unemployed are a much bigger slice than I remembered.
37.5% of those unemployed in 2013 were jobless for 27 weeks or more.

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