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theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 03:44 PM Sep 2014

The U.S. Is Losing a Generation to Poverty

The statistics provided in this report aren't news to me but it's the responses that are so frustrating. Although some of the respondents obviously understand the underpinnings of generational poverty, an equal number seem to have lifted their opinions of the country's poor straight from Rush radio. If only we, as a society, held the corrupt 1% to account as some do the poor!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/18/the-us-is-losing-a-generation-to-poverty.html
The Daily Beast
Sept 19, 2014
The U.S. Is Losing a Generation to Poverty

OK, the official poverty rate declined this week. But it’s worth remembering that millions who aren’t officially in poverty are still poor.

When we devised the formula we use to determine poverty in the United States, it was 1964. President Lyndon Johnson had just taken a tour of communities in Appalachia without electricity, running water, or sewage systems. Indeed, even some urban neighborhoods lacked that basic infrastructure. There was no Medicare system—so the elderly were very poor and largely uninsured—and consumer goods for the middle class, like televisions and vehicles, were pretty new. Food took up much more of a family’s budget, and housing took up much less.

The world was incredibly different. But the way we measure poverty remains the same. We also still imagine poverty looks the way it did in 1964. In reality, economic hardship is much more commonplace, and its appearance is more subtle. Its effects, however, are no less devastating.

This week, when the United States Census Bureau released its poverty data for the year 2013, it showed the first significant decline in poverty since the Great Recession hit: down from 15 percent to 14.5. Greeted more cheerily by economic observers was the news that child poverty had made its biggest drop in years: down almost 2 whole percentage points. It was better news than observers expected.... MORE at link provided above.

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The U.S. Is Losing a Generation to Poverty (Original Post) theHandpuppet Sep 2014 OP
K&R.... daleanime Sep 2014 #1
But the Obama Admin has $1 trillion for nukes leftstreet Sep 2014 #2
It makes me sick to think of what 1 trillion dollars could do for Appalachia theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #3
Appalachia? XemaSab Sep 2014 #16
I refer to Appalachia because I'm Appalachian... theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #21
No worries XemaSab Sep 2014 #28
One trillion dollars. Nothing else need be said because that number alone shows the Autumn Sep 2014 #4
I saw a large help wanted signed on a upaloopa Sep 2014 #5
A successful resume for a fast food job needs in order: haele Sep 2014 #22
it's because you haven't been worshipful enough! give ALL of yourself up to the Calf! MisterP Sep 2014 #6
Wow, MisterP. Prosthelytize much? nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #23
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #7
Caveat... econoclast Sep 2014 #8
Another excerpt theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #10
Burying the lede econoclast Sep 2014 #11
That figure was never disputed in the article theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #14
Excuse me, but these programs don't "lift people out of poverty" Demeter Sep 2014 #19
+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #20
That is such bullshit. Go try and live on the scraps they give you. No one can. No one. jtuck004 Sep 2014 #15
You have never been there, have you Stargazer99 Sep 2014 #27
People like looking down their nose at the poor Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #9
May the day come . . . Brigid Sep 2014 #12
I don't think this is a "lost generation". The PTB are successfully making this a 3rd world country Doctor_J Sep 2014 #13
Only one generation? I think not Demeter Sep 2014 #17
One of the respondents said: "I did canvassing once and all the poor had the latest expensive.. BlueJazz Sep 2014 #18
Thanks for your post, theHandpuppet. I keep asking myself... littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #24
You are so right, Miss Smarty P theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #25
Kicketty. Kick. nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #26

leftstreet

(36,103 posts)
2. But the Obama Admin has $1 trillion for nukes
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 03:48 PM
Sep 2014
Sept 21, 2014
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A sprawling new plant here in a former soybean field makes the mechanical guts of America’s atomic warheads. Bigger than the Pentagon, full of futuristic gear and thousands of workers, the plant, dedicated last month, modernizes the aging weapons that the United States can fire from missiles, bombers and submarines.

It is part of a nationwide wave of atomic revitalization that includes plans for a new generation of weapon carriers. A recent federal study put the collective price tag, over the next three decades, at up to a trillion dollars.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/us/us-ramping-up-major-renewal-in-nuclear-arms.html?_r=0




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theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
3. It makes me sick to think of what 1 trillion dollars could do for Appalachia
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 03:52 PM
Sep 2014

We need doctors, hospitals, infrastructure, schools & teachers, and jobs not tied to coal. That money could usher in a new age for millions of people, but for fuck sake let's spend it on bombs!

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
16. Appalachia?
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 06:22 PM
Sep 2014

A trillion dollars could dramatically improve every part of the country.

There's poverty everywhere.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
21. I refer to Appalachia because I'm Appalachian...
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 06:43 PM
Sep 2014

...and host of the Appalachia group. I'm much more familiar with the needs in that part of the country and realize just what a trillion dollars could do to improve people's lives there. My comment wasn't intended to diminish the plight of poverty anywhere else.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
28. No worries
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:32 PM
Sep 2014

I was just thinking that rural Northern California is also needy.

And rural Central California.

And rural Southern California.

And rural Oregon.

And...

Autumn

(45,026 posts)
4. One trillion dollars. Nothing else need be said because that number alone shows the
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 03:54 PM
Sep 2014

priorities. Want hope and change? Tough shit. Not gonna get it.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
5. I saw a large help wanted signed on a
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 04:10 PM
Sep 2014

chain fast food restaurant. It had a web site to send resumes to. I thought to myself what would be on a successful resume for that job?
Do you list the other places were you flipped burgers? I don't think a college degree would be helpful.
And if you needed a fast food job do you even have web access?

haele

(12,645 posts)
22. A successful resume for a fast food job needs in order:
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 06:55 PM
Sep 2014

1) to be submitted via the company web site and all fields filled out correctly and spell-checked
2) evidence of at least a high school diploma unless applying as part of a education program.
3) evidence of a food handler's licence or history of a food handler's licence
4) background check of no felonies
5) relatively clean credit history, nothing under 650 across the three main reporting services
6) reliable work record - no big gaps in employment or between employment and education where there's not an indication that you were doing something "socially acceptable" and not just being unemployed or spending that time "finding yourself".
7) no significant disabilities or "special requirements" such as an indication you'll need flexible hours or have a religious observances that might impact your ability to deal with customers or come in to work at a moment's notice, or require the store to make allowances for your situation or personal issues once they are known. As in, while they can't "discriminate" in hiring, they can always find a reason not to hire you if it looks as if you might have conflicts with their management of your life in the fuiture.

Haele

econoclast

(543 posts)
8. Caveat...
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 05:00 PM
Sep 2014

Its important to remember that when they calculate the 'poverty' numbers they DON'T include the value of government assistance received by these households. So while its sad that these folks need assistance ... they, in large part, get enough assistance so that they don't actually 'live in poverty'. While one can quibble about what the exact value of the assistance is and how much income 'poverty' is ... the point is that the LBJ Great Society programs are in fact lifting most people out of poverty.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
10. Another excerpt
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 05:23 PM
Sep 2014

...More and more Americans have jobs since the economy started to rebound. But many of them are still poor. The 1990s were a time when employment was high, and we could cut welfare rolls and push people into work. The 2000s and 2010s, though, have been characterized by crappy jobs with paltry pay, and by a government ever more reluctant to spend any of its tax dollars on people at the bottom end of the income ladder. We’re losing decades, and a generation.

Overall, families with children are doing better than singles or childless couples, but nearly one in five children still lives in poverty. The number of children who are poor or near-poor is still higher than it was before the recession. “Near-poor” includes families whose incomes are less than double the poverty line, and it’s an important measure. The formula used to determine “absolute poverty” is defined as an income that allows for a basic level of sustenance. For last year, that was $23,550 for a family of four. It doesn’t account for how some expenses have changed dramatically over the years—for example, the cost of housing and transportation costs like gas take up much more of our incomes than it did then. Many states and localities provide services to families who fall under the poverty line and also in the “near-poor” category. The official poverty measure is also criticized because it doesn’t take into account the effect government supports like food stamps have on household incomes—in 2013, the program lifted 3.7 million families out of poverty. So, the measure underestimates both economic hardship and the aid families receive.....

econoclast

(543 posts)
11. Burying the lede
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 05:30 PM
Sep 2014

"Many states and localities provide services to families who fall under the poverty line and also in the “near-poor” category....in 2013, the program lifted 3.7 million families out of poverty."

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
14. That figure was never disputed in the article
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 06:16 PM
Sep 2014

I choose to take it within the context of the article as a whole. The number of poor and near-poor in this country is shameful and hasn't gotten much better in years. You can ignore the other factors like rising expenses -- housing, gas, child care, education -- but I won't, which is why I italicized the particular portions of that excerpt. When it comes to the reality of poverty in this nation, I won't even try to paint lipstick on the pig, as the saying goes.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
19. Excuse me, but these programs don't "lift people out of poverty"
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 06:32 PM
Sep 2014

If you are out of poverty, you can cover all life's needs, some of its wants, and still save money.

There isn't a program in existence that permits anyone to save a dime: they lose the benefits, IMMEDIATELY!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
15. That is such bullshit. Go try and live on the scraps they give you. No one can. No one.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 06:20 PM
Sep 2014

They do live in poverty, but if you don't think so I will be more than happy to arrange for a family that has two working parents and two kids to host you in their home during the last week of the month when they don't have enough food for everyone so you can tell them how well off they are. Or a retired teacher who can't afford transportation to get to medical appointments, and her social security doesn't cover all of her rising rent and food costs, so she misses meals. If it wasn't for meal-on-wheels she would go hungry.

Which would you prefer to ride your white horse to, so you can shout down to them how well off they are? Hungry kids or a hungry retired teacher?

I can set it up in a very short time, and I will be more than happy to, if you live near the Easter side of Washington State. I know there are others who can do this elsewhere.

Let us not quibble. When is a good time for you?


Stargazer99

(2,582 posts)
27. You have never been there, have you
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:12 PM
Sep 2014

Your fed the idea of a safety net....there isn't one...but it helps you ignore human pain....denial....get out there where the poverty exists and then come back and tell us it isn't real poverty

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
9. People like looking down their nose at the poor
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 05:13 PM
Sep 2014

In Dickens day, it was all about the "undeserving poor" and how their poverty was their own fault for being immoral, not wanting to work, drinking, etc (and conservatives still think that way). I grew up poor and I'm now unable to work due to mental illness and physical disability. The shit I read about "benefit scroungers" (our version of "welfare queen&quot is all about how it's possible to make more on benefits than in work (a lie) and how the poor "don't have the habit of work" (our demonic DWP secretary). And the middle-class have been trained, in your country and mine, to always kick downwards. To always say benefits are too high, not wages are far too low.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
13. I don't think this is a "lost generation". The PTB are successfully making this a 3rd world country
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 06:00 PM
Sep 2014

IOW this won't be "fixed" in the next generation. The Kochs and Waltons want to make the US into Haiti, and they're succeeding.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
18. One of the respondents said: "I did canvassing once and all the poor had the latest expensive..
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 06:31 PM
Sep 2014

...tech gadgets and toys...so I know the story is false."

So this idiot thinks a sampling rate of 1/100000 percent is valid ??



littlemissmartypants

(22,628 posts)
24. Thanks for your post, theHandpuppet. I keep asking myself...
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 07:14 PM
Sep 2014

What middle class? There is no real middle class anymore. Either you are making it or you are hungry.

The middle class doesn't exist.


Thanks.
Love, Peace and Shelter.
~littlemissmartypants

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
25. You are so right, Miss Smarty P
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 07:16 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:14 PM - Edit history (1)

The evidence of this is all around us -- even the retail businesses and restaurants that used to cater to the middle class are floundering because we simply don't have a middle class anymore.

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