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The statistics provided in this report aren't news to me but it's the responses that are so frustrating. Although some of the respondents obviously understand the underpinnings of generational poverty, an equal number seem to have lifted their opinions of the country's poor straight from Rush radio. If only we, as a society, held the corrupt 1% to account as some do the poor!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/18/the-us-is-losing-a-generation-to-poverty.html
The Daily Beast
Sept 19, 2014
The U.S. Is Losing a Generation to Poverty
OK, the official poverty rate declined this week. But its worth remembering that millions who arent officially in poverty are still poor.
When we devised the formula we use to determine poverty in the United States, it was 1964. President Lyndon Johnson had just taken a tour of communities in Appalachia without electricity, running water, or sewage systems. Indeed, even some urban neighborhoods lacked that basic infrastructure. There was no Medicare systemso the elderly were very poor and largely uninsuredand consumer goods for the middle class, like televisions and vehicles, were pretty new. Food took up much more of a familys budget, and housing took up much less.
The world was incredibly different. But the way we measure poverty remains the same. We also still imagine poverty looks the way it did in 1964. In reality, economic hardship is much more commonplace, and its appearance is more subtle. Its effects, however, are no less devastating.
This week, when the United States Census Bureau released its poverty data for the year 2013, it showed the first significant decline in poverty since the Great Recession hit: down from 15 percent to 14.5. Greeted more cheerily by economic observers was the news that child poverty had made its biggest drop in years: down almost 2 whole percentage points. It was better news than observers expected.... MORE at link provided above.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)leftstreet
(36,103 posts)KANSAS CITY, Mo. A sprawling new plant here in a former soybean field makes the mechanical guts of Americas atomic warheads. Bigger than the Pentagon, full of futuristic gear and thousands of workers, the plant, dedicated last month, modernizes the aging weapons that the United States can fire from missiles, bombers and submarines.
It is part of a nationwide wave of atomic revitalization that includes plans for a new generation of weapon carriers. A recent federal study put the collective price tag, over the next three decades, at up to a trillion dollars.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/us/us-ramping-up-major-renewal-in-nuclear-arms.html?_r=0
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theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)We need doctors, hospitals, infrastructure, schools & teachers, and jobs not tied to coal. That money could usher in a new age for millions of people, but for fuck sake let's spend it on bombs!
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)A trillion dollars could dramatically improve every part of the country.
There's poverty everywhere.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)...and host of the Appalachia group. I'm much more familiar with the needs in that part of the country and realize just what a trillion dollars could do to improve people's lives there. My comment wasn't intended to diminish the plight of poverty anywhere else.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)I was just thinking that rural Northern California is also needy.
And rural Central California.
And rural Southern California.
And rural Oregon.
And...
Autumn
(45,026 posts)priorities. Want hope and change? Tough shit. Not gonna get it.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)chain fast food restaurant. It had a web site to send resumes to. I thought to myself what would be on a successful resume for that job?
Do you list the other places were you flipped burgers? I don't think a college degree would be helpful.
And if you needed a fast food job do you even have web access?
haele
(12,645 posts)1) to be submitted via the company web site and all fields filled out correctly and spell-checked
2) evidence of at least a high school diploma unless applying as part of a education program.
3) evidence of a food handler's licence or history of a food handler's licence
4) background check of no felonies
5) relatively clean credit history, nothing under 650 across the three main reporting services
6) reliable work record - no big gaps in employment or between employment and education where there's not an indication that you were doing something "socially acceptable" and not just being unemployed or spending that time "finding yourself".
7) no significant disabilities or "special requirements" such as an indication you'll need flexible hours or have a religious observances that might impact your ability to deal with customers or come in to work at a moment's notice, or require the store to make allowances for your situation or personal issues once they are known. As in, while they can't "discriminate" in hiring, they can always find a reason not to hire you if it looks as if you might have conflicts with their management of your life in the fuiture.
Haele
MisterP
(23,730 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,628 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
econoclast
(543 posts)Its important to remember that when they calculate the 'poverty' numbers they DON'T include the value of government assistance received by these households. So while its sad that these folks need assistance ... they, in large part, get enough assistance so that they don't actually 'live in poverty'. While one can quibble about what the exact value of the assistance is and how much income 'poverty' is ... the point is that the LBJ Great Society programs are in fact lifting most people out of poverty.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)...More and more Americans have jobs since the economy started to rebound. But many of them are still poor. The 1990s were a time when employment was high, and we could cut welfare rolls and push people into work. The 2000s and 2010s, though, have been characterized by crappy jobs with paltry pay, and by a government ever more reluctant to spend any of its tax dollars on people at the bottom end of the income ladder. Were losing decades, and a generation.
Overall, families with children are doing better than singles or childless couples, but nearly one in five children still lives in poverty. The number of children who are poor or near-poor is still higher than it was before the recession. Near-poor includes families whose incomes are less than double the poverty line, and its an important measure. The formula used to determine absolute poverty is defined as an income that allows for a basic level of sustenance. For last year, that was $23,550 for a family of four. It doesnt account for how some expenses have changed dramatically over the yearsfor example, the cost of housing and transportation costs like gas take up much more of our incomes than it did then. Many states and localities provide services to families who fall under the poverty line and also in the near-poor category. The official poverty measure is also criticized because it doesnt take into account the effect government supports like food stamps have on household incomesin 2013, the program lifted 3.7 million families out of poverty. So, the measure underestimates both economic hardship and the aid families receive.....
econoclast
(543 posts)"Many states and localities provide services to families who fall under the poverty line and also in the near-poor category....in 2013, the program lifted 3.7 million families out of poverty."
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)I choose to take it within the context of the article as a whole. The number of poor and near-poor in this country is shameful and hasn't gotten much better in years. You can ignore the other factors like rising expenses -- housing, gas, child care, education -- but I won't, which is why I italicized the particular portions of that excerpt. When it comes to the reality of poverty in this nation, I won't even try to paint lipstick on the pig, as the saying goes.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)If you are out of poverty, you can cover all life's needs, some of its wants, and still save money.
There isn't a program in existence that permits anyone to save a dime: they lose the benefits, IMMEDIATELY!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)They do live in poverty, but if you don't think so I will be more than happy to arrange for a family that has two working parents and two kids to host you in their home during the last week of the month when they don't have enough food for everyone so you can tell them how well off they are. Or a retired teacher who can't afford transportation to get to medical appointments, and her social security doesn't cover all of her rising rent and food costs, so she misses meals. If it wasn't for meal-on-wheels she would go hungry.
Which would you prefer to ride your white horse to, so you can shout down to them how well off they are? Hungry kids or a hungry retired teacher?
I can set it up in a very short time, and I will be more than happy to, if you live near the Easter side of Washington State. I know there are others who can do this elsewhere.
Let us not quibble. When is a good time for you?
Stargazer99
(2,582 posts)Your fed the idea of a safety net....there isn't one...but it helps you ignore human pain....denial....get out there where the poverty exists and then come back and tell us it isn't real poverty
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)In Dickens day, it was all about the "undeserving poor" and how their poverty was their own fault for being immoral, not wanting to work, drinking, etc (and conservatives still think that way). I grew up poor and I'm now unable to work due to mental illness and physical disability. The shit I read about "benefit scroungers" (our version of "welfare queen" is all about how it's possible to make more on benefits than in work (a lie) and how the poor "don't have the habit of work" (our demonic DWP secretary). And the middle-class have been trained, in your country and mine, to always kick downwards. To always say benefits are too high, not wages are far too low.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)When enough people learn to kick in the right direction: upward.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)IOW this won't be "fixed" in the next generation. The Kochs and Waltons want to make the US into Haiti, and they're succeeding.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...tech gadgets and toys...so I know the story is false."
So this idiot thinks a sampling rate of 1/100000 percent is valid ??
littlemissmartypants
(22,628 posts)What middle class? There is no real middle class anymore. Either you are making it or you are hungry.
The middle class doesn't exist.
Thanks.
Love, Peace and Shelter.
~littlemissmartypants
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:14 PM - Edit history (1)
The evidence of this is all around us -- even the retail businesses and restaurants that used to cater to the middle class are floundering because we simply don't have a middle class anymore.