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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:20 PM Sep 2014

Billionaires are hoarding piles of cash


Billionaires are holding mountains of cash, offering the latest sign that the ultra-wealthy are nervous about putting more money into today's markets.

According to the new Billionaire Census from Wealth-X and UBS, the world's billionaires are holding an average of $600 million in cash each—greater than the gross domestic product of Dominica. That marks a jump of $60 million from a year ago and translates into billionaires' holding an average of 19 percent of their net worth in cash.

"This increased liquidity signals that many billionaires are keeping their money on the sidelines and waiting for the optimal moment to make further investments," the study said.

Indeed, billionaires' cash holdings far exceed their investments in real estate. Their real-estate holdings average $160 million per billionaire, or about one-fifth of their cash holdings.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102021996#.
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Billionaires are hoarding piles of cash (Original Post) IDemo Sep 2014 OP
Well, the FED's Janet Yellen did say that people need to save more. Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #1
Not good when billionaires don't trust the market. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #4
It's not fine for people like me LiberalElite Sep 2014 #12
Start shifting into money market or short term bond funds. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #17
We'll need those piles to roast their carcasses. nt Xipe Totec Sep 2014 #2
For some reason your post title made me think of this tularetom Sep 2014 #3
How exactly do they hold it? drm604 Sep 2014 #5
t-bills. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #7
I didn't realize that was considered cash. drm604 Sep 2014 #8
its close enough. Any money market fund is also considered cash. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #13
The rich are different. Some of the strategies include Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #11
Okay. drm604 Sep 2014 #16
Too narrow. What you carry in your wallet is coin and currency Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #18
I understand how fractional reserve banking works drm604 Sep 2014 #20
this is news how? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #6
No the point is how they are hoarding, not that they are hoarding. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #9
If you want to stick it to them....you are going to have to allow some inflation.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #10
I think you are missing the point. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #14
I know.....I am agreeing with you.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #15
And they will die hoarding it until Obama is out of office. That's the plan. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #19
Eh -- sorta Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #21
Of course the are! Trickle down worked just liked planned. Rex Sep 2014 #22
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
4. Not good when billionaires don't trust the market.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:30 PM
Sep 2014

We are so due for a 20 percent decrease. I so hope it happens, because I have cash in a bank account too. Although not 600 million. I definitely want a correction, but not until after the election. October is typical, but it would be a disaster for Democratic candidates. November 10 or so is fine.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
17. Start shifting into money market or short term bond funds.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:57 PM
Sep 2014

Generally you have some choice of funds in your plan. As you get closer to retirement your risk aversion should increase. If you can't wait 5-7 years to take out the money in equities, it shouldn't be there.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
3. For some reason your post title made me think of this
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:28 PM
Sep 2014


Scrooge McDuck diving into the piles of cash in his money bin.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
5. How exactly do they hold it?
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:39 PM
Sep 2014

Scrooge McDuck safes? Savings accounts? They'd have to divide it amongst a hell of a lot of accounts to have FDIC protection.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
13. its close enough. Any money market fund is also considered cash.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:50 PM
Sep 2014

Short term T-bills are liquid enough to be "cash". Note that they are accepting what amounts to negative returns as a hedge against a bear market.

 

Sopkoviak

(357 posts)
11. The rich are different. Some of the strategies include
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:49 PM
Sep 2014

Establishing a so-called zero-balance account.

The rich investor has his or her money in bonds, certificates of deposit, commercial paper and other highly liquid debt instruments. They write checks out of the account, which has $0 in it, and at the end of the business day, the private bank sells off enough of the highly stable, liquid investments to wipe out the negative balance in the account, bringing it back to $0. That way, if the bank fails, it doesn’t hurt the investor because the underlying assets are held in his or her name, not the name of the institution. (This service is known as custody or, in some cases, global custody. The banks will charge a small fee for it as a percentage of assets in most cases.) Almost every intelligent rich person on the planet uses some form of global custody because you don’t want to worry about losing your shirt because a broker failed.

Parking the money directly with the United States Treasury in an account backed by the taxing power of the United States government. They can buy short-term Treasury bills and keep rolling them over until they need the money. Unless the United States goes bankrupt by hyper-inflating, they are safe. Buffett literally has tens of billions of dollars of Berkshire Hathaway’s money parked in Treasury bills, bonds and notes at times. There is no risk of default or bankruptcy unless the entire nation goes bust!

Physically holding cash in multiple currencies in safe deposit boxes throughout the world. These aren’t insured, though, so there is that risk.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
16. Okay.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:57 PM
Sep 2014

I guess I thought of "cash" as what I have in my wallet or possibly in a savings or checking account. If I say that I'm paying cash for something, I mean the green things I have in my wallet (not that I pay cash for much anymore).

 

Sopkoviak

(357 posts)
18. Too narrow. What you carry in your wallet is coin and currency
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:10 PM
Sep 2014

Which is really only a medium of exchange for "cash". Even when you deposit your "cash" in a bank it's only an entry on a ledger. If everybody went to the bank tomorrow and demanded currency for their balance there would't be enough to cover it.

The amount of currency in circulation is an extremely minor percent of the total "cash" in existence.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
20. I understand how fractional reserve banking works
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:28 PM
Sep 2014

and I understand that most money only exists as magnetic bits on hard drives (which is what ledgers consist of these days). I was just using an incorrect definition of the word "cash". I thought it was the same as currency.

If we intend to pay for something using actual greenbacks, we say that we're "paying in cash" rather than "paying in currency". Thus the confusion.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
6. this is news how?
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:39 PM
Sep 2014

This is the very definition of what they do.......the rich hoard money.....everyone else spends it and drives the economy.....the more you allow rich folks to hoard cash....the worse it is for everyone else....

Wealth seeks slave labor....if you don't supply it....they will destroy your economy....and find it elsewhere. Same as it ever was....

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
9. No the point is how they are hoarding, not that they are hoarding.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:46 PM
Sep 2014

If the smart money is easing out of the market and into "cash", then that is perhaps a sign that those of us that don't have a spare billion also ought to rebalance the pittance we do have to minimize a bear market risk.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
14. I think you are missing the point.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:54 PM
Sep 2014

The rates are going to go up and the market is going to go down. The cash sitting on the sidelines will then buy up the now undervalued equities. The rich are not going to lose in any scenario that doesn't involve a 1930-50 style global catastrophe.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
15. I know.....I am agreeing with you....
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:55 PM
Sep 2014

We either push back and take back a little from them and accept that...OR we get ready to live through Mad Max from Thunderdome conditions...

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
21. Eh -- sorta
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:33 PM
Sep 2014

Billionaires and corporations generally are hoarding cash. To be sure, there is a little wait-for-the-economy-to-collapse-and-then-we'll-clean-up-at-the-fire-sale mentality out there. However, most of the cash hoarding is for a more obvious and simple reason -- interest rates at near historic lows. If you are a sucessful business person, one of the first things you learn is never to use your own money to make money when you can use someone else's.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. Of course the are! Trickle down worked just liked planned.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:36 PM
Sep 2014

Developed a true Ownership society.

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