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(46,676 posts)The police protecting the bullshitters?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It's the symbol of aggressive capitalism.
It stands at the north tip of Bowling Green Park at the southern end of Broadway, Lower Manhattan, and just south of Wall Street.
Baitball Blogger
(46,676 posts)I got it now.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I mean, you've got your bull markets, and your bear markets. That's the ebb and flow of life.
A bear sculpture somewhere in the neighborhood would balance the reality...! They do it in Frankfurt, after all:
And this just didn't have the same panache:
http://tribecacitizen.com/2014/05/05/seen-heard-the-trash-bag-teddy-bear-has-arrived/
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)but I love kitties too much to connect them with Wall Street types, so maybe a vulture scupture would be better.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The idea of it being just a bull, is a little strange imo.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I like the team at the Frankfurt exchange--they're very well done.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Germany knows how to build and maintain economies. The swagger from Wall Street can get ridiculous at times. Besides Wall Street makes money both ways now with sub-super-duper-derivative-this-and-that micro selling at the speed of light. They can just play with capital all day long.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)it looked like it was lurching drunkenly, rather than at a charge.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)According to the Hebrew Bible, the golden calf (עֵגֶּל הַזָהָב ēggel hazâhâv) was an idol (a cult image) made by Aaron to satisfy the Israelites during Moses' absence, when he went up to Mount Sinai. In Hebrew, the incident is known as ḥēṭ haēggel (חֵטְא הַעֵגֶּל or "The Sin of the Calf". It is first mentioned in Exodus 32:4.
Bull worship was common in many cultures. In Egypt, whence according to the Exodus narrative the Hebrews had recently come, the Apis Bull was a comparable object of worship, which some believe the Hebrews were reviving in the wilderness;[1] alternatively, some believe the God of Israel was associated with or pictured as a calf/bull deity through the process of religious assimilation and syncretism. Among the Egyptians' and Hebrews' neighbors in the Ancient Near East and in the Aegean, the Aurochs, the wild bull, was widely worshipped, often as the Lunar Bull and as the creature of El.
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As adoration of wealth
A metaphoric interpretation emphasizes the "gold" part of "golden calf" to criticize the pursuit of wealth.
This usage can be found in Spanish[17] where Mammon, the Gospel personification of idolatry of wealth, is not so current.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf
Brigid
(17,621 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Now, granted, it's a valuable sculpture, such as it is, and no doubt worth a lot of money, but surely they could have found a better way to secure it against demonstrations that didn't involve those crappy porta-fences and a bunch of cops.
What could or would anyone do to that thing to damage it? Acid, maybe? Paint? If someone really wanted to damage the thing, those little fences aren't going to protect it.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Like thousands of other bronze statuary in the city, this bull could take a beating and didn't need more than one guard, if that.
This reminds me of Ferguson PD leaving Michael Brown's body out for hours.
That wasn't an accident, that was an act designed to send a message.
MADem
(135,425 posts)But more to the point--where is the BEAR sculpture? Like Frankfurt? (See elsewhere on this page!)
That's reality. The "bull stands alone" representation is just ... bull.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Guide books say that the sculpture, the bull, represents both the strength and the unpredictability of the market.
Interestingly, it's not city property and was dropped there by the artist as an act of Guerrilla Art on December 15, 1989.
Since New York City does not own the sculpture, it has a technically temporary permit allowing it to stand on city property.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charging_Bull
MADem
(135,425 posts)Something to humanize those heartless basstids! Maybe that artist should revisit his concept, and add to it!!!
Hey...maybe a DANCING BEAR on top of it? I always felt sorry for those dancing bears, maybe one could get the best of the situation for once...?
There's one at this link (on the right at the top row) that might work...
http://www.ddlarue.com/SculpturePortfolios/SocialCommentary/tabid/110/Default.aspx#
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)You asked for a dancing bear?
MADem
(135,425 posts)mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)Volaris
(10,266 posts)But then, I think like that.
I know others are opposed, and for good reasons of their own.
alterfurz
(2,469 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)From Wikipedia:
As a god worshipped by the Phoenicians and Canaanites, Moloch had associations with a particular kind of propitiatory child sacrifice by parents. Moloch figures in the Book of Deuteronomy and in the Book of Leviticus as a form of idolatry (Leviticus 18:21: "And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Moloch" . In the Old Testament, Gehenna was a valley by Jerusalem, where apostate Israelites and followers of various Baalim and Caananite gods, including Moloch, sacrificed their children by fire (2 Chr. 28:3, 33:6; Jer. 7:31, 19:26).
Moloch has been used figuratively in English literature from John Milton's Paradise Lost (1667) to Allen Ginsberg's "Howl" (1955), to refer to a person or thing demanding or requiring a very costly sacrifice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch
"They broke their backs lifting Moloch to Heaven!" Allen Ginsberg, Howl
ancianita
(35,926 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Leaving them a little time to behave as liberals or christians on the weekends and during coffee breaks.
blm
(113,005 posts).
malthaussen
(17,175 posts)Not a gasmask or shotgun in sight. If they'd really wanted to send a message, they'd be in Star-Trooper mode.
-- Mal
Rex
(65,616 posts)Can't get any better illustration of a plutocracy, than that picture. To protect and serve Mammon.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)calimary
(81,085 posts)lame54
(35,259 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I feel vaguely nauseous every time it is posted.
lame54
(35,259 posts)It's the look on his face that is so damn creepy, though!
coldbeer
(306 posts)When Noah peopled the earth he was building corporations
and remember Gingrich promised th American people
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The fact that the people outside the circle are paying for that with their taxes, escapes them for the time being.
That's one way to look at these wage earners, but another way is that they don't get to choose what assignments they will do on any given day. They just do it, and protecting that bull may be the last thing they want to do.
How sad is that, they are being told to protect a deity that will gore them if they get in its way, or just for the lulz.
Wall Street has no regard for them, and has stolen the wages, healthcare and pensions of too many public workers. As the saying goes:
'You GOTTA love your job, because you GOTTA pay your rent.'
The symbolism borders on the surreal when one thinks of what is really going on there. OMG, humanity is pathetic.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)More actions like Ferguson MO.
Wherein the crowd has agent provaceutreurs embedded. They start the looting and the fires. The public at large gets blamed.
And while plenty of police protect Wells Fargo, et al, no police stop the looting. Sort of an American version of Kristelnacht, where we substitute African Amerian communities for Jewish synagogues.
Stage One of Police State Americana.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)doesn't it.
onethatcares
(16,161 posts)gold and you'll understand what a false god it really is.
Where is God when you need him?
wandy
(3,539 posts)I don't really remember but it has something to do with worshiping graven images.
hueymahl
(2,447 posts)Have not seen the first one before. Who drew it?
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)world wide wally
(21,734 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)rustydog
(9,186 posts)That sacred bull stands for Corporate (peopled) America! It has as much right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as you or I! Just ask Willard the rat, I mean Romney.
ChazInAz
(2,556 posts)Perhaps we should make this our collective goal: to see to it that the damned thing vanishes.
The Wizard
(12,532 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)bull's ass. It just seemed fitting.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)What would Moses say?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Gothmog
(144,890 posts)lark
(23,059 posts)They are there to protect the power structure and fuck anyone up who goes against said 1%. Look what happened at Occupy. Look at all the white people with guns allowed to scare the shit out of shoppers but a black person with a gun is automatically shot. Look at suppressed and altered evidence in Ferguston.
For way too many of them, PIGS is totally appropriate.