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You can slice the symbolism with a butter knife (Original Post) MrScorpio Sep 2014 OP
What is the symbolism? Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #1
NYPD has put up barricades to protect the "Charging Bull" aka "Wall Street Bull" sculpture. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #2
Ah. Yes. Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #4
I always wondered why they didn't have a "bear" somewhere in the vicinity as well... MADem Sep 2014 #11
I'd say that they should have a giant sculpture of a Fat Cat, Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #52
I've always wondered that too. Where is the bear? Rex Sep 2014 #57
Makes it look like a rigged game--or a bunch of clowns who don't get the Yin-Yan point of it all! MADem Sep 2014 #58
Always thought that too. Rex Sep 2014 #59
I always thought it Half-Century Man Sep 2014 #26
Protecting the "Golden Calf". Zorra Sep 2014 #53
A picture definitely worth a thousand words. Brigid Sep 2014 #3
It's a great picture! MADem Sep 2014 #5
3.5 tons of bronze, 11 feet tall. How tone deaf that they didn't realize the message. Or DID they? NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #7
You'd think they'd just shrinkwrap it in some kind of protective fabric and leave it at that. MADem Sep 2014 #13
I think they were concerned by attacks by dancers. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #15
I don't care what the guide books say, I still say they need a BEAR! Maybe Yogi, or Boo Boo... MADem Sep 2014 #23
LOL! OK, here's two sculptures in Central Park, the first are three bears and the second one, well: NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #27
Put that bottom one in a tutu and stick it on top of the bull-perfect!!!! nt MADem Sep 2014 #28
beautiful! mountain grammy Sep 2014 #40
Bubble wrap would have worked too. n/t ReRe Sep 2014 #18
I think a decent message of protest would be to take a welding torch, and castrate that fucker =). Volaris Sep 2014 #33
Moloch d_r Sep 2014 #6
All hail the Golden Calf! alterfurz Sep 2014 #8
I prefer calling it Moloch deutsey Sep 2014 #16
Thanks! I was expecting these. Who needs symbolism when there's OT scripture. ancianita Sep 2014 #37
And oh how they worship it. From 9-5 M-F with tithings from each paycheck. raouldukelives Sep 2014 #49
To Protect and Serve Mammon - Golden Calf, the God of Wall Street blm Sep 2014 #9
Ah, but those are friendly cops. malthaussen Sep 2014 #10
Law enforcement must protect it's principle interests. Rex Sep 2014 #12
DuZY !!! 2banon Sep 2014 #56
Love your posts Mr Scorpio. This one is a DUzy! Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #14
Priorities, priorities... calimary Sep 2014 #17
Corporations ARE people my friend... lame54 Sep 2014 #19
That picture is so disturbing. Aerows Sep 2014 #21
did you notice the chalkboard offers a steamer lame54 Sep 2014 #48
I did LOL Aerows Sep 2014 #50
Corporations are the People coldbeer Sep 2014 #20
Just serving to protect their healthcare, disability and pension funds? freshwest Sep 2014 #22
Coming to America's towns and cities, over the next 18 months - truedelphi Sep 2014 #24
Corporations are people, my friend. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #25
Looks like idol worshipping to me! Helen Borg Sep 2014 #29
does come across that way Sherman A1 Sep 2014 #30
paint the fucking thing onethatcares Sep 2014 #31
What have we become? That picture tells it all............. wandy Sep 2014 #32
. baldguy Sep 2014 #34
Love them both! hueymahl Sep 2014 #46
What the heck? ErikJ Sep 2014 #35
Shouldn't there be a big turd under the bull? world wide wally Sep 2014 #36
Yes, one would think he might be trickling down on the masses as well... grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #42
But, but, but...Corporations are people too my friend! rustydog Sep 2014 #38
A new goal. ChazInAz Sep 2014 #39
Pagan idolotry or the greater good (NT) The Wizard Sep 2014 #41
When visiting NYC a while back, I took a picture of the LibDemAlways Sep 2014 #43
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #44
To "Protect And Serve" The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks cantbeserious Sep 2014 #45
they are protecting America's religious deity, the golden calf whereisjustice Sep 2014 #47
k&r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #51
The symbolism here is disturbing and sad Gothmog Sep 2014 #54
They totally disagree lark Sep 2014 #55
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. NYPD has put up barricades to protect the "Charging Bull" aka "Wall Street Bull" sculpture.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:37 PM
Sep 2014

It's the symbol of aggressive capitalism.

It stands at the north tip of Bowling Green Park at the southern end of Broadway, Lower Manhattan, and just south of Wall Street.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. I always wondered why they didn't have a "bear" somewhere in the vicinity as well...
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:56 PM
Sep 2014

I mean, you've got your bull markets, and your bear markets. That's the ebb and flow of life.

A bear sculpture somewhere in the neighborhood would balance the reality...! They do it in Frankfurt, after all:




And this just didn't have the same panache:



http://tribecacitizen.com/2014/05/05/seen-heard-the-trash-bag-teddy-bear-has-arrived/

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
52. I'd say that they should have a giant sculpture of a Fat Cat,
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 11:51 AM
Sep 2014

but I love kitties too much to connect them with Wall Street types, so maybe a vulture scupture would be better.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
57. I've always wondered that too. Where is the bear?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 05:16 PM
Sep 2014

The idea of it being just a bull, is a little strange imo.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
58. Makes it look like a rigged game--or a bunch of clowns who don't get the Yin-Yan point of it all!
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 11:21 PM
Sep 2014

I like the team at the Frankfurt exchange--they're very well done.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
59. Always thought that too.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 12:09 AM
Sep 2014

Germany knows how to build and maintain economies. The swagger from Wall Street can get ridiculous at times. Besides Wall Street makes money both ways now with sub-super-duper-derivative-this-and-that micro selling at the speed of light. They can just play with capital all day long.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
53. Protecting the "Golden Calf".
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 11:58 AM
Sep 2014

According to the Hebrew Bible, the golden calf (עֵגֶּל הַזָהָב ‘ēggel hazâhâv) was an idol (a cult image) made by Aaron to satisfy the Israelites during Moses' absence, when he went up to Mount Sinai. In Hebrew, the incident is known as ḥēṭ’ ha‘ēggel (חֵטְא הַעֵגֶּל or "The Sin of the Calf". It is first mentioned in Exodus 32:4.

Bull worship was common in many cultures. In Egypt, whence according to the Exodus narrative the Hebrews had recently come, the Apis Bull was a comparable object of worship, which some believe the Hebrews were reviving in the wilderness;[1] alternatively, some believe the God of Israel was associated with or pictured as a calf/bull deity through the process of religious assimilation and syncretism. Among the Egyptians' and Hebrews' neighbors in the Ancient Near East and in the Aegean, the Aurochs, the wild bull, was widely worshipped, often as the Lunar Bull and as the creature of El.
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As adoration of wealth

A metaphoric interpretation emphasizes the "gold" part of "golden calf" to criticize the pursuit of wealth.

This usage can be found in Spanish[17] where Mammon, the Gospel personification of idolatry of wealth, is not so current.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf

MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. It's a great picture!
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:43 PM
Sep 2014

Now, granted, it's a valuable sculpture, such as it is, and no doubt worth a lot of money, but surely they could have found a better way to secure it against demonstrations that didn't involve those crappy porta-fences and a bunch of cops.

What could or would anyone do to that thing to damage it? Acid, maybe? Paint? If someone really wanted to damage the thing, those little fences aren't going to protect it.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
7. 3.5 tons of bronze, 11 feet tall. How tone deaf that they didn't realize the message. Or DID they?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:48 PM
Sep 2014

Like thousands of other bronze statuary in the city, this bull could take a beating and didn't need more than one guard, if that.

This reminds me of Ferguson PD leaving Michael Brown's body out for hours.

That wasn't an accident, that was an act designed to send a message.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. You'd think they'd just shrinkwrap it in some kind of protective fabric and leave it at that.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:58 PM
Sep 2014

But more to the point--where is the BEAR sculpture? Like Frankfurt? (See elsewhere on this page!)

That's reality. The "bull stands alone" representation is just ... bull.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
15. I think they were concerned by attacks by dancers.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:06 PM
Sep 2014




Guide books say that the sculpture, the bull, represents both the strength and the unpredictability of the market.

Interestingly, it's not city property and was dropped there by the artist as an act of Guerrilla Art on December 15, 1989.

Since New York City does not own the sculpture, it has a technically temporary permit allowing it to stand on city property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charging_Bull

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. I don't care what the guide books say, I still say they need a BEAR! Maybe Yogi, or Boo Boo...
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:39 PM
Sep 2014

Something to humanize those heartless basstids! Maybe that artist should revisit his concept, and add to it!!!


Hey...maybe a DANCING BEAR on top of it? I always felt sorry for those dancing bears, maybe one could get the best of the situation for once...?

There's one at this link (on the right at the top row) that might work...

http://www.ddlarue.com/SculpturePortfolios/SocialCommentary/tabid/110/Default.aspx#

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
27. LOL! OK, here's two sculptures in Central Park, the first are three bears and the second one, well:
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:52 PM
Sep 2014


You asked for a dancing bear?





Volaris

(10,266 posts)
33. I think a decent message of protest would be to take a welding torch, and castrate that fucker =).
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:45 PM
Sep 2014

But then, I think like that.
I know others are opposed, and for good reasons of their own.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
16. I prefer calling it Moloch
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:08 PM
Sep 2014

From Wikipedia:

As a god worshipped by the Phoenicians and Canaanites, Moloch had associations with a particular kind of propitiatory child sacrifice by parents. Moloch figures in the Book of Deuteronomy and in the Book of Leviticus as a form of idolatry (Leviticus 18:21: "And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Moloch&quot . In the Old Testament, Gehenna was a valley by Jerusalem, where apostate Israelites and followers of various Baalim and Caananite gods, including Moloch, sacrificed their children by fire (2 Chr. 28:3, 33:6; Jer. 7:31, 19:2–6).

Moloch has been used figuratively in English literature from John Milton's Paradise Lost (1667) to Allen Ginsberg's "Howl" (1955), to refer to a person or thing demanding or requiring a very costly sacrifice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch



"They broke their backs lifting Moloch to Heaven!" Allen Ginsberg, Howl

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
49. And oh how they worship it. From 9-5 M-F with tithings from each paycheck.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 11:18 AM
Sep 2014

Leaving them a little time to behave as liberals or christians on the weekends and during coffee breaks.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
10. Ah, but those are friendly cops.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:53 PM
Sep 2014

Not a gasmask or shotgun in sight. If they'd really wanted to send a message, they'd be in Star-Trooper mode.

-- Mal

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
12. Law enforcement must protect it's principle interests.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:57 PM
Sep 2014

Can't get any better illustration of a plutocracy, than that picture. To protect and serve Mammon.

coldbeer

(306 posts)
20. Corporations are the People
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:24 PM
Sep 2014

When Noah peopled the earth he was building corporations
and remember Gingrich promised th American people

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
22. Just serving to protect their healthcare, disability and pension funds?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:33 PM
Sep 2014

The fact that the people outside the circle are paying for that with their taxes, escapes them for the time being.

That's one way to look at these wage earners, but another way is that they don't get to choose what assignments they will do on any given day. They just do it, and protecting that bull may be the last thing they want to do.

How sad is that, they are being told to protect a deity that will gore them if they get in its way, or just for the lulz.

Wall Street has no regard for them, and has stolen the wages, healthcare and pensions of too many public workers. As the saying goes:

'You GOTTA love your job, because you GOTTA pay your rent.'

The symbolism borders on the surreal when one thinks of what is really going on there. OMG, humanity is pathetic.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
24. Coming to America's towns and cities, over the next 18 months -
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:40 PM
Sep 2014

More actions like Ferguson MO.

Wherein the crowd has agent provaceutreurs embedded. They start the looting and the fires. The public at large gets blamed.

And while plenty of police protect Wells Fargo, et al, no police stop the looting. Sort of an American version of Kristelnacht, where we substitute African Amerian communities for Jewish synagogues.

Stage One of Police State Americana.

onethatcares

(16,161 posts)
31. paint the fucking thing
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:32 PM
Sep 2014

gold and you'll understand what a false god it really is.

Where is God when you need him?

wandy

(3,539 posts)
32. What have we become? That picture tells it all.............
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:35 PM
Sep 2014

I don't really remember but it has something to do with worshiping graven images.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
38. But, but, but...Corporations are people too my friend!
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 07:42 PM
Sep 2014

That sacred bull stands for Corporate (peopled) America! It has as much right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as you or I! Just ask Willard the rat, I mean Romney.

ChazInAz

(2,556 posts)
39. A new goal.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:07 PM
Sep 2014

Perhaps we should make this our collective goal: to see to it that the damned thing vanishes.

lark

(23,059 posts)
55. They totally disagree
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 02:10 PM
Sep 2014

They are there to protect the power structure and fuck anyone up who goes against said 1%. Look what happened at Occupy. Look at all the white people with guns allowed to scare the shit out of shoppers but a black person with a gun is automatically shot. Look at suppressed and altered evidence in Ferguston.

For way too many of them, PIGS is totally appropriate.

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