Un-Fucking-Believable

[Logical]

“I think it would be in terms of years, yes,” Mayville said when asked about the length of the campaign.

[leftstreet]

1. No GOP Prez could have gotten away with this

No way, no how

[Logical]

2. I am not blaming Obama. It is just another endless war started! nt

[leftstreet]

3. I meant a McCain or Romney couldn't have pulled it off

Not after Bush/Cheney and IraqClusterfuck

I don't really think it's about 'blame' for any of these politicians. For them it's about perception

[Logical]

6. OK, makes sense. nt

[Autumn]

5. By Obama?

So let's blame republicans.

[amandabeech]

18. I hate to disagree with a fellow DUer,

but I'm beginning to think that any president of any party that wants to bomb the Middle East is free to do so.

There are just too many people in DC and environs that want to go to war in that part of the world for all kinds of reasons that there simply is no one to stop them.

[leftstreet]

27. Sure, now. But not following on the heels of BushII

I essentially agree with you. And now that the Democratic party has neutered the antiwar movement, it'll be an unending free for all

[amandabeech]

55. Yes, perhaps a pause after Bush II was necessary.

The casualties among non-combatants on the ground will be bad, and some pilots will get shot down, and no one will care that much around the world, including the US

Then there's the cost of all these wars fought from the air. Those cruise missles are really expensive, as are flying the fighters and bombers. The ships that shoot the cruise missiles and the aircraft carriers are expensive to operate. Think of all the good things that we could do here and elsewhere instead of attacking people who may very well not hurt us if we leave them alone.

It's the same with so many wars, and it's just so sickening.

[Baitball Blogger]

19. No GOP Prez, but I believe Cheney did.

At one point he came out and mentioned that it would take several years. I believe he always visualized us having a permanent presence in the Middle East. And when you see it as a long-range plan, the importance of the 28 pages begins to have new meaning.

[arcane1]

4. The War on Terra was not supposed to end in our lifetime. They're just passing the baton.

Same shit, different day.

[Logical]

7. So true! nt

[RKP5637]

51. Yep! MIC sees it as a long term investment, lots of $$$$$ to go around and everyone has their

wallets open to receive cash, except for those of us who have our wallets opened forced to give cash.

[Cleita]

8. The MIC is having champagne and high fives right now.

They won their battle with us to continue endless war on the disenfranchised in Eastasia. They haven't won the war they started with us, the 99%. My money says the peace movement is going to come back in a way never imagined by the Warhawks and it will silence them for generations.

[Logical]

10. I bet you are correct!! nt

[Zorra]

36. [phone] nt

[MrMickeysMom]

9. They're not gonna be deprived of perpetual war, are they?

Did we ask for this? Hell no. However, once that darned ole democracy quits-a-workin, and you have these incredible treasurers of war, the whole idea of religion and capitalism continues to suck the living shit out of everyone.

We've officially got a figure-head in the WH and the military is in charge and this is fucking madness!

[TwilightGardener]

11. No, the military is not in charge. Believe it or not, Obama really thinks this

is necessary.

[MrMickeysMom]

12. Disagree with that...

Obama is responding in the same fashion as any other figure-head.

I doubt he really thinks this is necessary… His IQ is a few standard deviations above the norm. I stopped believing intelligence had anything to do with moral imperatives long ago.

[Logical]

13. Really? USA figure-head only or all the world? We seem to do this shit all the time. nt

[MrMickeysMom]

17. Does it really matter where this mind-set takes place?

We and other imperialists have, as a global initiative, effectively inserted ourselves wherever markets can be controlled. We inject ourselves so globally, virtually anyone gets knocked up. Wherever an unfettered industry can be pipelined, we have the intelligence and military hardware to support it. General Mayville can tell the native people of that land to take a hike … because we can.

Go on "the attack against Islamist militants" because we have to create some space… we have to re-organize our equipment, and allow others to get on the offensive to help perpetuate resources belonging to the capitalists. The tempo only needs to be orchestrated.

A sustained campaign of a fucked world.

[cwydro]

16. Then Obama has been misled. Or he is a fool.

I gave up on him long after my two votes.

But he has descended further than I could have imagined.

I can only think of the Republicans laughing their asses off as we, yet again, bomb the crap out of another country.

This is insane.

With each bomb, we make a new enemy...a new terrorist....damn, if some country dropped a bomb on my parents or siblings...oh yes, I'd be damn pissed off.

Well, we can all go back to our iPhones or our games now. No one can hurt us.

Right?

[TwilightGardener]

21. He is neither. He is doing his job.

[Logical]

28. What is that? nt

[TwilightGardener]

32. Take out terrorist groups and states. I don't see any way that Obama leaves ISIS to

strengthen and further destabilize Iraq and the middle east. For economic (oil) and national security reasons. It's just not going to happen.

[Logical]

49. So it is always our job to do this? nt

[TwilightGardener]

54. We did sort of create this problem, ten years ago.

[cwydro]

14. That is the only way they get those pretty ribbons.

He has a CIB....judging from his looks (age), I reckon he rode around in a Humvee in Iraq.

The military has totally captivated Obama...and Obama is dancing to Cheney and Bush's tune. Very sad. They must be laughing themselves silly.

I'm so amazed and horrified. I truly don't have words for it anymore.

[Logical]

15. You are correct, he almost looked happy. More funding coming their way! YEA!! nt

[yesiwasacop]

35. He actually has two CIB

and two bronze stars on his parachute wings.

Likely participated in the parachute assault into Grenada while with the Ranger regt and then the other with the 173rd airborne into North Iraq in 2003. That will get you two CIBs and two bronze combat jump stars. His bio isnt clear, but from what I read, that is where he got the fruit salad.

He graduated West Point in 1982 so he is no spring chicken.

[nationalize the fed]

20. Can't count on Wesley

He hasn't said zip about the 7 wars since his original statement in '07...

...Except to Luke Rudkowski of We Are Change in 2013

What do you expect from the man that commanded the first PNAC war
http://web.archive.org/web/20030210080835/http://www.newamericancentury.org/balkans.htm

Transcript of Wesley Clark's 2007 statement on 7 wars:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166

[bobduca]

22. such fucking bullshit, and watch cheerleaders here fall in line.

Watch for this post to be hidden because reasons.

[Aerows]

23. Very believable

You don't quit stirring in a pile of shit if there is value to making it stink more.

[Logical]

24. +1000 nt

[BrotherIvan]

39. LOL!

[Aerows]

41. Just laying it on the line

It's plainly obvious, might as well say it up front.

[BrotherIvan]

44. And it's sad that it's so true

The very definition of selling one's soul.

[marble falls]

25. It is refreshing to get a simple responsive honest and truthful answer for once. But still, HELL NO!

[Scootaloo]

26. What are you, some sort of Disloyalist Leftist Firebagger, Logical?

Careful, they might ban you from the Bomb or GTFO group for your lack of lust for war. it happened to me!

[Logical]

29. Wow, that sucks! Nt

[Aerows]

42. Being bluntly honest

scares the shit out of some people, particularly when being direct casts a shade on their cause/politician/political party.

[MannyGoldstein]

30. One can never be too thorough in the War on Terra!

Terra!

Terra! Terra!

Terra! here!

Terra! there!

Everywhere!

Hiding. Waiting. It will visit us without warning. In our beds. In our showers. In our sock drawer.

There is no permanent refuge. At best, we can hold it off and survive a few extra moments.

Inexorable.

[FlatStanley]

31. Awesome! We've teed up a war for the next President!

[Alkene]

33. S.O.S.D.D. n/t

[morningfog]

34. They been saying this for a month now.

It's been clear that this will be a mess for the next president to clean up. The real problem with that, even for the blind defenders, is that we don't know who that will be. We don't know what the Syrian policy will be for each candidate. We don't know whether they will choose a surge to finish it, whether a candidate will run on withdrawal.....

[Unknown Beatle]

37. But...but...but...

we don't have enough money for SS, Medicare and Snap, so we may need to cut them. Yes, people are homeless and no water for Detroit residents. Bridges and roads are crumbling and we just don't have the money for infrastructure. Yes, we bailed out Wall St. to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, closer to a trillion. We do need tax breaks for the rich and we need to subsidize filthy rich oil companies and corporations. There just isn't enough money for you the little people because we need the money for endless wars, doncha know. - PTB

[Initech]

38. The military industry complex very badly needs to be overthrown.

[Enthusiast]

48. That's what it would take. An actual overthrowing.

They are making far too much money to give it up voluntarily.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

40. They wanted to call Iraq etc. under Bush "The Long War". As in DECADES.....

Good goddamn thing it's not their call. Except under Republicans who keep saying they listen to "generals on the ground". Doing that would have triggered WWIII during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

We have CIVILIAN control of the Military.

It's OUR call, not THEIRS.

BTW: ANYBODY is better than Rummy.

http://server4.whiterosesociety.org/content/malloy/MalloyMemories/Rumsfeld_on_acid.mp3

[liberal_at_heart]

43. years is code for decades.

[Logical]

50. +1000, great point, we always underestimate! nt

[area51]

45. Perpetual War

Is why this country's infrastructure is crumbling, why jobs will continue to be offshored (all the better to force more people into the military) and why we'll never see single payer health care. The war profiteers have their snouts in the trough just like the republican for-profit health insurance companies do.

[BuelahWitch]

47. And we must eat our peas and tighten our belts! n/t

[Rex]

46. The MIC actually sits above mere government and society.

The Monster is unstoppable.

[NaturalHigh]

52. Oh, I can believe just about anything these days.

A few things surprise me but nothing shocks me any more.

[Logical]

57. I am there with you! nt

[ladyVet]

53. Except, didn't we see this coming?

Generations of war, while jobs whittle down to part time retail that gets the President kudos for knocking down unemployment, healthcare reform that still has people who can't afford to go to the doctor, we live in constant fear that we won't get to collect on SS, no matter how much we paid into it, and many more things.

I think this isn't the place for me. I've voted Democratic all my life, took all kinds of hell for it, tried to believe Obama would do the right thing. And for what? Another war we can't pay for? A Democratic president that's been willing to put SS and Medicare on the chopping block?

I'm not voting for Hillary, and now Bernie Saunders, Elizabeth Warren and Jimmy Carter are cheerleading for this mess. So are a whole lot of members here. People who would skewer a Republican president for doing this.

I don't hate Obama. I know he had a tough job when he came into office. But this isn't the way to fix things. More hate isn't the answer. More death isn't the answer. More debt isn't the answer.

[KoKo]

58. I understand what you are saying. Concerns many of us...

Thanks for posting your opinion. Wish more people would stand up these days..and voice out.

[malaise]

56. Why?

It's perpetual war they want

[KoKo]

59. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

In their pockets....and fuels their ego.